Not signaling in designated turning lane - without due care
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Ok so caught the eye of a local beat sergeant by pulling onto a steep hill in residential area and accelerating briskly to above 30 briefly. Then I get to the top of hill and there is a mini roundabout that has left and right only turn lanes. You can't go straight on there is a wall. I stopped and stayed in left lane and went left without signaling.
The hill is steep and people often speed down it so I don't hang about getting out of the junction.
Officer was in a non emgerency focus with no blue lights but I noticed him behind he at the roundabout as he was following me way to close. He followed me past the police station so I decided to stop.i have driven like an angel since turning left. He pulled in behind and asked me what the speed limit on the road I had been on and I said 30. He was single crewed and not happy. I give him my argument for getting out of the junction fast. He then says if he writes me up for not signaling in the left hand turn lane at the roundabout where I went left its without due care and he is positive it will go to court.
Ok so he tells me the car is insured with no drivers listed? So what it's insured. He says he can now sieze the car under section 12 PACE. Not sure why. He says he will sieze dash cam and is stated not much use if I wiped the card before we stopped. He then says that preventing the course of justice, which since I don't know I am being stopped by police why would it be.
The hill is steep and people often speed down it so I don't hang about getting out of the junction.
Officer was in a non emgerency focus with no blue lights but I noticed him behind he at the roundabout as he was following me way to close. He followed me past the police station so I decided to stop.i have driven like an angel since turning left. He pulled in behind and asked me what the speed limit on the road I had been on and I said 30. He was single crewed and not happy. I give him my argument for getting out of the junction fast. He then says if he writes me up for not signaling in the left hand turn lane at the roundabout where I went left its without due care and he is positive it will go to court.
Ok so he tells me the car is insured with no drivers listed? So what it's insured. He says he can now sieze the car under section 12 PACE. Not sure why. He says he will sieze dash cam and is stated not much use if I wiped the card before we stopped. He then says that preventing the course of justice, which since I don't know I am being stopped by police why would it be.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Saturday 22 July 17:53
PurpleMoonlight said:
If you are only permitted to turn left why would you need to indicate?
He says Highway Code says u must signal when changing direction.I stated not in a designated turn lane. I said in road craft u consider turning in the information phase and I deemed the road layout dictated and positing was clear I was going left.
surveyor_101 said:
Ok so he tells me the car is insured with no drivers listed? So what it's insured. He says he can now sieze the car under section 12 PACE. Not sure why. He says he will sieze dash cam and is stated not much use if I wiped the card before we stopped. He then says that preventing the course of justice, which since I don't know I am being stopped by police why would it be.
Were you trying to wind them up, or was it a lucky accident?PurpleMoonlight said:
If you are only permitted to turn left why would you need to indicate?
A left and a right turning lane apparently. It would be nice if the lane selected reliably 'indicated' the intentions of the driver, however most drivers are so useless I would prefer the use of indicators (unless they have an Advanced Driver sticker in the back window of course).surveyor_101 said:
He is single crewed in a non calibrated speedo vehicle can he really make speeding or not signaling stick ?
IANA copper but..I would say no.
I was pulled by a marked panda car last year by a lone officer.
He followed me for some time and said he pulled me for speed, intimating that I got into 3 figures (I didn't)
Anyhow, he went on to say that as he was alone in a car with no verification equipment, he was unable to take it further.
It's your word against his unless he has a witness (another officer) or recording equipment (camera or other device)
I think he was probably just annoyed by your driving (justified or not) and subsequent attitude to him and tried to put the s
ts up you.PF62 said:
Were you trying to wind them up, or was it a lucky accident?
Ok I appreciate he is doing his job but tailgating for a mile and then telling me off for not signaling left in a designated turn lane like it's ever going to go anywhere is just taking the pee.He did checks on me and I said your son is blah blah and goes to x school and is in the class with my daughter. He seemed to be much nicer when he realised he had to see me at school pick up.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Saturday 22 July 18:08
cmaguire said:
A left and a right turning lane apparently. It would be nice if the lane selected reliably 'indicated' the intentions of the driver, however most drivers are so useless I would prefer the use of indicators (unless they have an Advanced Driver sticker in the back window of course).
That's down to your mistrust of other drivers, mostly not unfounded though I agree.The issue is did the OP have to indicate if the lane was left turn only and he turned left.
A speedo doesn't have to be calibrated where the margin over the limit measured by it is not small.
The signal is for the benefit of others not you. Why assume they know it's a left turn only lane because you do, particularly if they are arriving at the roundabout from a different direction to you?
Was it a mandatory left turn arrow or not (Was there wording 'TURN LEFT' under the arrow)?
The signal is for the benefit of others not you. Why assume they know it's a left turn only lane because you do, particularly if they are arriving at the roundabout from a different direction to you?
Was it a mandatory left turn arrow or not (Was there wording 'TURN LEFT' under the arrow)?
vonhosen said:
A speedo doesn't have to be calibrated where the margin over the limit measured by it is not small.
The signal is for the benefit of others not you. Why assume they know it's a left turn only lane because you do, particularly if they are arriving at the roundabout from a different direction to you?
Was it a mandatory left turn arrow or not (Was there wording 'TURN LEFT' under the arrow)?
There are road markings showing it's a left only.The signal is for the benefit of others not you. Why assume they know it's a left turn only lane because you do, particularly if they are arriving at the roundabout from a different direction to you?
Was it a mandatory left turn arrow or not (Was there wording 'TURN LEFT' under the arrow)?
No wording just arrow.
It that he could quote anything like that.
vonhosen said:
A speedo doesn't have to be calibrated where the margin over the limit measured by it is not small.
The signal is for the benefit of others not you. Why assume they know it's a left turn only lane because you do, particularly if they are arriving at the roundabout from a different direction to you?
Was it a mandatory left turn arrow or not (Was there wording 'TURN LEFT' under the arrow)?
The OP was in the left lane where he couldn't go straight on due to a wall, the positioning and body language of vehicles is generally a better indication of what they are going to do than the flashing (or not) amber lights on the extremities of them. If he was indicating left and turned right, then fair cop, but he was in the left lane and turned left, where it sounds like it would be a fair assumption he was going left. The signal is for the benefit of others not you. Why assume they know it's a left turn only lane because you do, particularly if they are arriving at the roundabout from a different direction to you?
Was it a mandatory left turn arrow or not (Was there wording 'TURN LEFT' under the arrow)?
Only today I've had 2 cars pull out in front of me on roundabout when I was on my bike, neither of them were indicating or in the correct lane for the manoeuvrer (which is quite hard to spell) they pulled, but it was quite clear for me as a moderately competent rider that they were about to do something odd.
surveyor_101 said:
vonhosen said:
A speedo doesn't have to be calibrated where the margin over the limit measured by it is not small.
The signal is for the benefit of others not you. Why assume they know it's a left turn only lane because you do, particularly if they are arriving at the roundabout from a different direction to you?
Was it a mandatory left turn arrow or not (Was there wording 'TURN LEFT' under the arrow)?
There are road markings showing it's a left only.The signal is for the benefit of others not you. Why assume they know it's a left turn only lane because you do, particularly if they are arriving at the roundabout from a different direction to you?
Was it a mandatory left turn arrow or not (Was there wording 'TURN LEFT' under the arrow)?
No wording just arrow.
It that he could quote anything like that.
Willy Nilly said:
vonhosen said:
A speedo doesn't have to be calibrated where the margin over the limit measured by it is not small.
The signal is for the benefit of others not you. Why assume they know it's a left turn only lane because you do, particularly if they are arriving at the roundabout from a different direction to you?
Was it a mandatory left turn arrow or not (Was there wording 'TURN LEFT' under the arrow)?
The OP was in the left lane where he couldn't go straight on due to a wall, the positioning and body language of vehicles is generally a better indication of what they are going to do than the flashing (or not) amber lights on the extremities of them. If he was indicating left and turned right, then fair cop, but he was in the left lane and turned left, where it sounds like it would be a fair assumption he was going left. The signal is for the benefit of others not you. Why assume they know it's a left turn only lane because you do, particularly if they are arriving at the roundabout from a different direction to you?
Was it a mandatory left turn arrow or not (Was there wording 'TURN LEFT' under the arrow)?
Only today I've had 2 cars pull out in front of me on roundabout when I was on my bike, neither of them were indicating or in the correct lane for the manoeuvrer (which is quite hard to spell) they pulled, but it was quite clear for me as a moderately competent rider that they were about to do something odd.
The whole point of signals is to give others information about your intent to assist them in their decisions, it's considerate.
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