Fracking Protestors
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You may have seen the news regarding the large protests at a fracking site in Preston, Im seeing lots of it as its just down the road.
They are causing a lot of disruption to the traffic in the area and obviously using up a lot of over stretched police resources.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/1...
Now, at what point can the police just remove them and allow people to get on with the jobs / lives? Or do they have to just allow them to stay as long as they want?
They are causing a lot of disruption to the traffic in the area and obviously using up a lot of over stretched police resources.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/1...
Now, at what point can the police just remove them and allow people to get on with the jobs / lives? Or do they have to just allow them to stay as long as they want?
Who_Goes_Blue said:
Yeah move them on - lets live in a world where people are no longer free to express themselves
By obstructing the highway and placing others in danger? There has to be a point where the Police draw the line and take action.That site up at Preston is absurd - the news the other night showed the main route down to one lane because they'd hijacked HGVs which were blocking 2 lanes.
Here is the correct way to sort out 'freedom of expression and the right to protest'
Anyone can protest physically about anything they like as long as they;
1. Identify themselves to the Police before the protest using passport or other verified photo id.
2. Arrange a 3 hour window for the protest with the Police.
3. Go through appropriate security checks before entering the arranged protest area.
4. Feck off home or back into their treehouse after the 3 hours are up.
5. Are not allowed to join any further protests on that issue or site for a further 6 months.
Problem solved.
Anyone can protest physically about anything they like as long as they;
1. Identify themselves to the Police before the protest using passport or other verified photo id.
2. Arrange a 3 hour window for the protest with the Police.
3. Go through appropriate security checks before entering the arranged protest area.
4. Feck off home or back into their treehouse after the 3 hours are up.
5. Are not allowed to join any further protests on that issue or site for a further 6 months.
Problem solved.
julianc said:
Good for them.
What else can you do when a planning application for fracking is rejected by the county council, but overruled by central government because this polluting, largely unregulated practice (it is in fact self regulating - ho ho) is not in the south east?
Respect the law?What else can you do when a planning application for fracking is rejected by the county council, but overruled by central government because this polluting, largely unregulated practice (it is in fact self regulating - ho ho) is not in the south east?
No doubt the protesters expect the council, government, drillers etc to respect the law whilst they trespass, squat, block the highway etc.
julianc said:
Good for them.
What else can you do when a planning application for fracking is rejected by the county council, but overruled by central government because this polluting, largely unregulated practice (it is in fact self regulating - ho ho) is not in the south east?
& what about the site at Balcombe or the other north of Gatwick? Endless nonsense with the great unwashed pond life. Although its gone quiet recently, there will doubtless be new sites identified in this part of the world before long. Not only do I resent having my hard earned spent policing rent-a-mob, I also take issue with forking out for all their unemployment & housing benefit.What else can you do when a planning application for fracking is rejected by the county council, but overruled by central government because this polluting, largely unregulated practice (it is in fact self regulating - ho ho) is not in the south east?
Shouldn't the f
kers be at work???
Julianc - Pollute in what way?
How would you feel if someone was stopping your legal and lawful business? Just because you don't like it is not a legitimate reason.
I'll say again. Hydraulic fracturing has been carried out in this country since the 50's. No pollution. No babies dying. Some of it even beside a SSSi.
The protesters do not understand the process and would be against ANYTHING. Just that sad sponging Crusty type and misled OAPs.
How would you feel if someone was stopping your legal and lawful business? Just because you don't like it is not a legitimate reason.
I'll say again. Hydraulic fracturing has been carried out in this country since the 50's. No pollution. No babies dying. Some of it even beside a SSSi.
The protesters do not understand the process and would be against ANYTHING. Just that sad sponging Crusty type and misled OAPs.
A company I worked for supplied the catering to the police at one of the fracking sites a couple of years ago. I met a few protestors and there seems to be two main groups;
1, Normal people who had taken time off work to peacefully protest. In my opinion that's more than fair enough.
2, "Career" protestors who just like protesting and are a pain in the backside. I have next to no time for them.
1, Normal people who had taken time off work to peacefully protest. In my opinion that's more than fair enough.
2, "Career" protestors who just like protesting and are a pain in the backside. I have next to no time for them.
Who_Goes_Blue said:
Yeah move them on - lets live in a world where people are no longer free to express themselves
So the next time I decide to "express myself" by blocking your driveway making you miss your flight because I don't agree with something, can I count on your full support?julianc said:
Good for them.
What else can you do when a planning application for fracking is rejected by the county council, but overruled by central government because this polluting, largely unregulated practice (it is in fact self regulating - ho ho) is not in the south east?
For a start you cancel your mains electricity and gas connections, then go entirely off grid with your own wind turbine manufactured from parts you have grown yourself. Do not buy any goods that require use of any electricity or gas in their production or transport.What else can you do when a planning application for fracking is rejected by the county council, but overruled by central government because this polluting, largely unregulated practice (it is in fact self regulating - ho ho) is not in the south east?
You can probably use any technology from before the industrial revolution, but to be safe stick to the iron age.
Edited by Toltec on Wednesday 2nd August 15:42
Dog Star said:
Guess how many fks I give for fracking/bypass/motorway etc type "protestors"? None.
Even less if you are trying to obstruct a moving vehicle. Tossers.
How come all those illegal tree houses don't get demolished while the occupants are at work?
Can a tree house be illegal if on your own land?ks I give for fracking/bypass/motorway etc type "protestors"? None.Even less if you are trying to obstruct a moving vehicle. Tossers.
How come all those illegal tree houses don't get demolished while the occupants are at work?
PotatoSalad said:
Who_Goes_Blue said:
Yeah move them on - lets live in a world where people are no longer free to express themselves
So the next time I decide to "express myself" by blocking your driveway making you miss your flight because I don't agree with something, can I count on your full support?
Who_Goes_Blue said:
PotatoSalad said:
Who_Goes_Blue said:
Yeah move them on - lets live in a world where people are no longer free to express themselves
So the next time I decide to "express myself" by blocking your driveway making you miss your flight because I don't agree with something, can I count on your full support?The local Police put this on Facebook earlier today
- A583 UPDATE* – The A583 remains closed in both directions between Whitehills and Fox Lane Ends. This morning we had four pairs of campaigners locked on – two outside World of Water and two just up from Plumpton Lane. Our removal team has cleared two of those pairs, allowing us to get some people through to local businesses, only for two more pairs to take their place and lock on further down the road towards Kirkham. The eight campaigners are now again on both sides of the carriageway - one of the pairs at the Whitehills end is claiming to be superglued together and the other is saying they want to be cut out rather than self-release. We’ve also attempted to speak to the two new pairs at the Kirkham end at the road but they are also refusing to move voluntarily and have said they don’t care if blue light or other essential services can’t get through.
The fundamental problem with the whole fracking issue seems to be the wilful 'ignorance' of the protestors.
Quoting internet folklore from the US has absolutely no relevance or accuracy when it comes to the UK. In the US there were no regulations in many off the states and poor practice was rife. Here nothing happens without regulator oversight. So all the scare stories are there to frighten people either too stupid or too wilfully ignorant to actually understand the process.
On that basis I'd toss most of them in jail for obstruction and those 'professional' protestors would have their benefits stopped as they were obviously 'not available for work'. As for planning decisions being overridden - that has a lot to do with intelligence and keeping the lights on.
Quoting internet folklore from the US has absolutely no relevance or accuracy when it comes to the UK. In the US there were no regulations in many off the states and poor practice was rife. Here nothing happens without regulator oversight. So all the scare stories are there to frighten people either too stupid or too wilfully ignorant to actually understand the process.
On that basis I'd toss most of them in jail for obstruction and those 'professional' protestors would have their benefits stopped as they were obviously 'not available for work'. As for planning decisions being overridden - that has a lot to do with intelligence and keeping the lights on.
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