Fracking Protestors
Discussion
Rode past it coming home this morning.
Protestors have built two large towers on the entrance apron with people at the top and a multiple lock-on underneath.
Monday is always popular for a major activity, I think they must plan at weekends at the adjacent protestor camp site over tea and biscuits round the camp fire.
Protestors have built two large towers on the entrance apron with people at the top and a multiple lock-on underneath.
Monday is always popular for a major activity, I think they must plan at weekends at the adjacent protestor camp site over tea and biscuits round the camp fire.
Edited by KevtheRev on Monday 1st October 18:33
cjb44 said:
I do not condone what is happening with the protestors, but I would ask what is your knowledge of the Fracking process?
I worked in the onshore offshore oil industry for over twenty years, and I can tell you that some of the chemicals that are used in the process are not pleasant and I am not keen that they go any where near a water table.
20 years and you display this lack of technical understanding? Crikey! Everyone's an expert... I worked in the onshore offshore oil industry for over twenty years, and I can tell you that some of the chemicals that are used in the process are not pleasant and I am not keen that they go any where near a water table.
Dog Star said:
Guess how many f
ks I give for fracking/bypass/motorway etc type "protestors"? None.
Even less if you are trying to obstruct a moving vehicle. Tossers.
How come all those illegal tree houses don't get demolished while the occupants are at work?
They're demanding that they get their benefit checks from wage earners and not natural resources.ks I give for fracking/bypass/motorway etc type "protestors"? None.Even less if you are trying to obstruct a moving vehicle. Tossers.
How come all those illegal tree houses don't get demolished while the occupants are at work?
If they can build tree houses, my suggestion is to cut benefits so that they can go to work and replace all the East European laborers who'll no longer be allowed to work. Brexit solved
14-7 said:
I live locally to this and don't support fracking or the fact that the government overturned local councils.
The thing is they haven't been stopped protesting they have been allowed to do it and I'm sorry they haven't done it peacefully no matter what they claim.
A lot of them are vile individuals especially when they have been known to be going to local schools where some police officers have kids and put banners up with the officers face on it labelling them as a paedophile, targeting people who work their (police, private security and drivers of trucks making deliveries) at their homes etc. Not to mention blocking a main arterial route used by tens of thousands of motorists a day causing absolute mayhem by laying in the road but don't worry they'll blame the police for shutting the road not the idiots laid in the middle of a carriageway which was a 50 zone but is now a 20 in order to 'protect them'.
There may be one or two locals who support what they do but the vast majority are sick to death of them.
Peaceful protest I'm all for but stopping ordinary people getting to work and going about their daily lives is beyond out of order. More of them should be prosecuted.
This! Personally I 'm pro fracking but appreciate the right of others to their opinion, and yes to peaceful protest but as you say this hasn't been a peaceful protest.The thing is they haven't been stopped protesting they have been allowed to do it and I'm sorry they haven't done it peacefully no matter what they claim.
A lot of them are vile individuals especially when they have been known to be going to local schools where some police officers have kids and put banners up with the officers face on it labelling them as a paedophile, targeting people who work their (police, private security and drivers of trucks making deliveries) at their homes etc. Not to mention blocking a main arterial route used by tens of thousands of motorists a day causing absolute mayhem by laying in the road but don't worry they'll blame the police for shutting the road not the idiots laid in the middle of a carriageway which was a 50 zone but is now a 20 in order to 'protect them'.
There may be one or two locals who support what they do but the vast majority are sick to death of them.
Peaceful protest I'm all for but stopping ordinary people getting to work and going about their daily lives is beyond out of order. More of them should be prosecuted.
Edited by 14-7 on Sunday 30th September 10:14
Aside from the disruption to my own life (I especially enjoyed the Russian roulette commute, the missing out on pre-booked plans, the intimidation, the having my car banged on and spat at), there's the sheer costs for the police resources to keep them under control (which they gleefully put banners up celebrating), the illegal camps complete with rubbish and pollution, the vandalism and criminal damage and my personal favourite - the times they have successfully managed to block the road so throughly as to strand my septuagenarian mother in her home!
LDN said:
I know many of the locals and community surrounding the Fylde site and I’m afraid your wrong. The locals, as a majority, support a ban on fracking and support the protestors.
I think the sticking point here is that; massive amounts of money and effort was spent to win over the decision in their favour. They mounted a very very organised and effective case; bringing in professional witnesses and experts from America; Cuadrilla, I know, were stunned by how organised the opposition was. They had through that their legal team and nigh on unlimited cash would win the day. The protestors were so effective, they won. Only for the government to simply say; ‘sorry, you’ve wasted your time; we are overturning it.’
This isn’t just some tree hugger crazies. There are many many well respected, well-off, organised people behind the protests and efforts to stop. The case was heard, evidence looked at in great detail; and they won their case.
It’s amazing how many people here would fold having won at every level, to be told by the government, tough luck. I guess that makes you a certain type of person; with all due respect.
Of course; there are those who will push things too far having felt wronged. But too far in one persons eyes is not far enough in another’s. Everyone would do well to understand that; and when I say understand; I don’t mean, agree with, necessarily.
Interestingly (and speaking as a local) about 80% of the locals I've spoken to about it wish the protesters would just fI think the sticking point here is that; massive amounts of money and effort was spent to win over the decision in their favour. They mounted a very very organised and effective case; bringing in professional witnesses and experts from America; Cuadrilla, I know, were stunned by how organised the opposition was. They had through that their legal team and nigh on unlimited cash would win the day. The protestors were so effective, they won. Only for the government to simply say; ‘sorry, you’ve wasted your time; we are overturning it.’
This isn’t just some tree hugger crazies. There are many many well respected, well-off, organised people behind the protests and efforts to stop. The case was heard, evidence looked at in great detail; and they won their case.
It’s amazing how many people here would fold having won at every level, to be told by the government, tough luck. I guess that makes you a certain type of person; with all due respect.
Of course; there are those who will push things too far having felt wronged. But too far in one persons eyes is not far enough in another’s. Everyone would do well to understand that; and when I say understand; I don’t mean, agree with, necessarily.
k off.I'm local, I'm not against it. I'm a pragmatist, I understand we still have a need for fossil fuels and we can't rely on renewables. Besides which, if locals got their say on everything nothing would ever be accomplished, it was locals who were also against wind turbines at St Michaels and solar farms near Wrea Green and Bilsborrow
LDN said:
This isn’t just some tree hugger crazies. There are many many well respected, well-off, organised people behind the protests and efforts to stop.
If there is as much gas as is claimed it could be quite damaging to those countries whose economies already depend on exporting it. Imagine if a big find suppressed the price and added extra competition into the market place. I wonder how worried the Russians are by all of this? The anti-fracking propaganda has been very effective and if they're prepared to meddle in other countries elections and chuck nerve agents around then this would just be another day in the office.jurbie said:
If there is as much gas as is claimed it could be quite damaging to those countries whose economies already depend on exporting it. Imagine if a big find suppressed the price and added extra competition into the market place. I wonder how worried the Russians are by all of this? The anti-fracking propaganda has been very effective and if they're prepared to meddle in other countries elections and chuck nerve agents around then this would just be another day in the office.
There's already been suggestions that Russia and Saudi have been funding anti-fracking propaganda. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/01/world/russian-m...
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/russian...
Oakey said:
There's already been suggestions that Russia and Saudi have been funding anti-fracking propaganda.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/01/world/russian-m...
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/russian...
Gosh! What a surprise! Just like the Watermelons that were funded to protest against nukes in the 80's. I think it's well known that anti-Capitalism in it's many forms is funded by those with most to gain by the fall of working economies.https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/01/world/russian-m...
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/russian...
Oakey said:
I'm local, I'm not against it. I'm a pragmatist, I understand we still have a need for fossil fuels and we can't rely on renewables. Besides which, if locals got their say on everything nothing would ever be accomplished, it was locals who were also against wind turbines at St Michaels and solar farms near Wrea Green and Bilsborrow
Everyone wants wind and solar energy, some people want oil wells and gas fracking, just not near them or their house you understand. Sometimes democracy means that some people don't get their way.mcdjl said:
Everyone wants wind and solar energy, some people want oil wells and gas fracking, just not near them or their house you understand. Sometimes democracy means that some people don't get their way.
I want nuclear power and wouldn't mind if it was fairly near* me.* Wouldn't want to directly look at it from the kitchen window, but purely on aesthetic grounds not radiation.
14-7 said:
A lot of them are vile individuals especially when they have been known to be going to local schools where some police officers have kids and put banners up with the officers face on it labelling them as a paedophile, targeting people who work their (police, private security and drivers of trucks making deliveries) at their homes etc. Not to mention blocking a main arterial route used by tens of thousands of motorists a day causing absolute mayhem by laying in the road but don't worry they'll blame the police for shutting the road not the idiots laid in the middle of a carriageway which was a 50 zone but is now a 20 in order to 'protect them'.
Déja vu : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Huntingdon_Anim...Edited by 14-7 on Sunday 30th September 10:14
Different 'cause', same rent-a-mob tactics. Intimidation of employees, customers, suppliers and shareholders, MD physically attacked, cars set on fire, homes attacked, access roads blocked. Democracy in action
Didn't turn out well for the self-righteous sociopaths who organised it
, and the firm targeted went from strength to strength.Cuadrilla have put a website up that shows daily seismic activity around the Preston New Road site and surounding area.
Don't think it is live yet.
https://www.cuadrillaresourceseportal.com/
Don't think it is live yet.
https://www.cuadrillaresourceseportal.com/
KaraK said:
This! Personally I 'm pro fracking but appreciate the right of others to their opinion, and yes to peaceful protest but as you say this hasn't been a peaceful protest.
Aside from the disruption to my own life (I especially enjoyed the Russian roulette commute, the missing out on pre-booked plans, the intimidation, the having my car banged on and spat at), there's the sheer costs for the police resources to keep them under control (which they gleefully put banners up celebrating), the illegal camps complete with rubbish and pollution, the vandalism and criminal damage and my personal favourite - the times they have successfully managed to block the road so thoroughly as to strand my septuagenarian mother in her home!
I think there needs to be balance. I am pro fracking but also pro protest. However protest should not turn into the "Protestors" using that label to impose their views by making it difficult for people to do what they are objecting to. Blocking trucks or chaining yourself to equipment is nearly always the latter and fits the dictionary definition of terrorist more closely than protester. Aside from the disruption to my own life (I especially enjoyed the Russian roulette commute, the missing out on pre-booked plans, the intimidation, the having my car banged on and spat at), there's the sheer costs for the police resources to keep them under control (which they gleefully put banners up celebrating), the illegal camps complete with rubbish and pollution, the vandalism and criminal damage and my personal favourite - the times they have successfully managed to block the road so thoroughly as to strand my septuagenarian mother in her home!
Another problem is always when people want to protest against what the majority think is socially acceptable and visa versa. I am not sure if I could be as forgiving if these were anti gay protests outside a gay nightclub, I am already uncomfortable about the pro life protests at clinics etc. However it's not the protestors who have to meet the cost of their actions so society, who does have to pick up the bill, can in my opinion set a standard. ,
We have one possible comparator, which is trade disputes, in theory, the maximum time you can be in a dispute and take industrial action is 12 weeks (I know it is largely ignored or circumvented), this sounds pretty reasonable as guideline. A maximum of 12 weeks to give protest a chance to work, by which time there will have been plenty of time to get the message across.
Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 2nd October 17:08
Breadvan72 said:
BTW I have read lots of the science on fracking (for a case). I am not bothered about water contamination or about seismic activity. My beef with fracking is that it is just more fossil fuel extraction, and so a postponement of replacing fossil fuels.
I don't think anyone is against the idea of energy supplies from non-fossil sources. However, no-one mentions the other products that come as a result of fossil 'fuel' extraction: plastics, polymers, pharmaceuticals, fertilisers, road surfaces, chemicals, jet fuel, heavy fuel oil, lubricants, etc, etc etc...Try building PC's, iphones, televisions, cars, aeroplanes, furniture, sticky tape and all the rest without crude oil.
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