Fracking Protestors

[mcdjl]

Poshbury said:

Similar event in France this weekend; This Saturday, October 27, the earth trembled near Redon, in the south of Ille-et-Vilaine. The shake, evaluated between 3.4 and 3.6 on the Richter scale, was felt in Morbihan and Loire-Atlantique.

Is that a fracking site or similar in that it was an earthquake?

[deltashad]

I think a load of rubbish. Nothing wrong with fracking.
Tree hugging doom and gloom pessimistic wierdos

[LDN]

deltashad said:

I think a load of rubbish. Nothing wrong with fracking.
Tree hugging doom and gloom pessimistic wierdos

tell that to those doing it; who’ve stopped to evaluate matters after unwanted activity.

I think there’s a PH script of what to say and believe, on many matters; and many here feel the need to never venture too far off track.

[mcdjl]

LDN said:

deltashad said:

I think a load of rubbish. Nothing wrong with fracking.
Tree hugging doom and gloom pessimistic wierdos

tell that to those doing it; who’ve stopped to evaluate matters after unwanted activity.

I think there’s a PH script of what to say and believe, on many matters; and many here feel the need to never venture too far off track.

They're operating within set limits. Ultimately if your fracturing rock its going to shift to let the gas out: that by definition is an earthquake. The fact that the earthquakes caused are below the levels that normally happen in this country causing no damage is part of the point. I fully support the idea of stopping and waiting to let things settle after a shift, i also fully support the idea of cracking on again afterwards. what those limits are and how they're set is another matter.

[FredClogs]

mcdjl said:

LDN said:

deltashad said:

I think a load of rubbish. Nothing wrong with fracking.
Tree hugging doom and gloom pessimistic wierdos

tell that to those doing it; who’ve stopped to evaluate matters after unwanted activity.

I think there’s a PH script of what to say and believe, on many matters; and many here feel the need to never venture too far off track.

They're operating within set limits. Ultimately if your fracturing rock its going to shift to let the gas out: that by definition is an earthquake. The fact that the earthquakes caused are below the levels that normally happen in this country causing no damage is part of the point. I fully support the idea of stopping and waiting to let things settle after a shift, i also fully support the idea of cracking on again afterwards. what those limits are and how they're set is another matter.

There set to prevent damage to the surrounding area and more importantly the well casing itself. The earthquake in 2011 caused by the fracking of the preese hall sit caused the collapse of the well casing.

These limits aren't to appease tree huggers of environmental concerns, they're engineering safety limits.

[hidetheelephants]

As of April this year a majority of the public are either ignorant of, indifferent to or in favour of fracking; public opinion has been stable on this topic for several years despite the misleading propaganda emanating from the relevant lobby groups.

BEIS wave 25 said:

When asked whether they support or oppose extracting shale gas, nearly half of the public neither supported or opposed it (47%), with a further 4% saying they did not know whether they supported or opposed it. Three in ten (32%) respondents were opposed to fracking compared with two in ten (18%) who supported it. This remains very similar to last year.

[cjb44]

deltashad said:

I think a load of rubbish. Nothing wrong with fracking.
Tree hugging doom and gloom pessimistic wierdos

I have worked in the oil and gas industry (onshore and offshore) for over thirty years, so unless you can claim more expert knowledge, you obviously are out of your depth and know nothing about fracking.

[CRA2Y BL16GER]

The solution is to only allow fracking in areas where earthquakes are unlikely to do major damage, or near the homes of people who #'on't matter'

[Eddieslofart]

CRA2Y BL16GER said:

The solution is to only allow fracking in areas where earthquakes are unlikely to do major damage, or near the homes of people who #'on't matter'

No shale in Basildon...unfortunately

[LDN]

Other countries set a minimum distance from population centres / homes / businesses, for fracking sites. But the lemmings that make up 50% of PH, would welcome it outside their front door apparently.

[jshell]

deltashad said:

I think a load of rubbish. Nothing wrong with fracking.
Tree hugging doom and gloom pessimistic wierdos

Absolutely! Frac on!

[echazfraz]

cjb44 said:

deltashad said:

I think a load of rubbish. Nothing wrong with fracking.
Tree hugging doom and gloom pessimistic wierdos

I have worked in the oil and gas industry (onshore and offshore) for over thirty years, so unless you can claim more expert knowledge, you obviously are out of your depth and know nothing about fracking.

What's your position on it?

I'd be wanting to see data on earthquakes in the UK for the last 10 years, say, before I'd start saying that fracking causes them.

But I've only got 29.5 years' experience in the industry so my opinion won't count

[jurbie]

What is the issue with earth tremors? I get the point made above about possible damage to the well casing so that is an issue for Cuadrilla to manage. For everyone else is it really such a problem?

I grew up in a grim northern mining town and earth tremors were a fact a life and guess what? We loved them. If a big one struck it was a major talking point and not in a negative way. If you didn't feel it then you genuinely felt like you'd missed out on something.

The last big one that I remember really did shake the house, I remember watching a vase slowly edge it's way to the edge of the shelf it was sitting on and and thinking that I should probably get up and grab it. It was all over fairly quickly though but then I had to go and discuss it with my neighbour. We ended up getting my parents encyclopedia and looking up earth quakes, from that we determined that this one was around 3 on the old Richter scale.

It does make me wonder what the hell is wrong with people today that they get upset by a slight earth movement?

[FredClogs]

jurbie said:

What is the issue with earth tremors? I get the point made above about possible damage to the well casing so that is an issue for Cuadrilla to manage. For everyone else is it really such a problem?

I grew up in a grim northern mining town and earth tremors were a fact a life and guess what? We loved them. If a big one struck it was a major talking point and not in a negative way. If you didn't feel it then you genuinely felt like you'd missed out on something.

The last big one that I remember really did shake the house, I remember watching a vase slowly edge it's way to the edge of the shelf it was sitting on and and thinking that I should probably get up and grab it. It was all over fairly quickly though but then I had to go and discuss it with my neighbour. We ended up getting my parents encyclopedia and looking up earth quakes, from that we determined that this one was around 3 on the old Richter scale.

It does make me wonder what the hell is wrong with people today that they get upset by a slight earth movement?

Wtf? I have no comprehension as to how one would even think this let alone take the time to write it down.

[jurbie]

As stated, they were a fact of life, no one died, no one was hurt, there was no property damage, it provided an interesting distraction and that was that.

I'm genuinely baffled as to why stuff shaking a bit is that much of cause for concern for you? If we're talking about reducing whole towns to rubble then I would agree but I don't think that is what we're talking about.

[jurbie]

Still occurring every few years according to this.

https://www.keele.ac.uk/geophysics/appliedseismolo...

If like Fred you have a fear of mild vibrations then maybe best to avoid the area.

[mcdjl]

jurbie said:

Still occurring every few years according to this.

https://www.keele.ac.uk/geophysics/appliedseismolo...

If like Fred you have a fear of mild vibrations then maybe best to avoid the area.

Every few years? The BGS have a live set of data streams: http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/helicorder/heli.h... from their earthquake monitoring ststaion. Take look at the one by Gawtick airport any time a plane lands.

[hidetheelephants]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Just put Ch4 on and mid prog aboutbthe carnage and fked houses in North Holland...... and how the €8B repair bill is the monetary impact of the Gas extraction.

Interesting

The consequences of irresponsible management of unconsolidated reservoirs have been well-known for a long time, the Ekofisk platform starting to sink being a particularly embarrassing example; I wonder if CO2 and/or water reinjection might be the answer here too?

[jurbie]

Hardly being flippant just speaking from experience. Mining has left many issues around here, you certainly don't buy a house without getting a mining survey done and I can point to many properties that have had major underpinning work completed due to subsidence and even a couple that collapsed before the work could be done.

Before anyone else says it, there are plenty of reasons to not want to live in Stoke, minor vibrations and ground movement are way down the list, if they even make it on to the list.

[Johnnytheboy]

I wonder how many of the protesters getting all worked up about small earth tremors understand that the magnitude scale is logarithmic?

Or even know what a logarithmic scale is?