Fracking Protestors
Discussion
DSGbangs said:
Scotty2 said:
"Google it" it's on the internet but must be true...FFS !
These youtube examples are either faked by Menatlists or from naturally occurring aquifers which contain Methane, which is a natural product from decomposition and was in the water wells way before drilling activities. PLease actually read the other side of the argument.
You do know that fracturing takes place thousand fee tplus down in rock and aquifers with water abstraction (ironically formed by drilling boreholes but to hell with logic...) are near the surface - hundreds of feet not thousands?
LIke I said on local radio, it's like a religion to some people, they will not listen to fact or reason.
Scotty2
CChem MRSC and 25 years experience, but Hey Ho...
For the record, I'm not for or against fracking.These youtube examples are either faked by Menatlists or from naturally occurring aquifers which contain Methane, which is a natural product from decomposition and was in the water wells way before drilling activities. PLease actually read the other side of the argument.
You do know that fracturing takes place thousand fee tplus down in rock and aquifers with water abstraction (ironically formed by drilling boreholes but to hell with logic...) are near the surface - hundreds of feet not thousands?
LIke I said on local radio, it's like a religion to some people, they will not listen to fact or reason.
Scotty2
CChem MRSC and 25 years experience, but Hey Ho...
Could you post some links to the other side of the argument?
Hopefully these links are not on the Internet, otherwise they must be true
OldGermanHeaps said:
Cant they just get the fire brigade out and hose them off the road? They can't object, water is natural and organic and stuff.
Just hose them thoroughly, about 9pm and leave them. When they get up to go 'home' give 'em another dousing. Waste of skin the lot of them.
Has anyone made a claim against protesters for loss of earnings or other costs?
I haven't heard of any.
Not an easy task as identifying who to sue is not easy?
But......if such losses are incurred by general public or businesses with no connection to the issue being protested against then surely there is a need to provide redress to the "victims" by law change?
Different in some respects to strike action so can be treated as such.
I haven't heard of any.
Not an easy task as identifying who to sue is not easy?
But......if such losses are incurred by general public or businesses with no connection to the issue being protested against then surely there is a need to provide redress to the "victims" by law change?
Different in some respects to strike action so can be treated as such.
PotatoSalad said:
Who_Goes_Blue said:
PotatoSalad said:
Who_Goes_Blue said:
Yeah move them on - lets live in a world where people are no longer free to express themselves
So the next time I decide to "express myself" by blocking your driveway making you miss your flight because I don't agree with something, can I count on your full support?DSGbangs said:
Flaming tap water is not cool chaps, Google it.
This argument really winds me up.If these protestors had the tiniest bit of common sense they'd realise we don't pump water out of the ground in Lancashire...It rains up here... lots.. And if they got off their asses and took a walk up in the hills they'd see how much is stored in the local reservoirs.
I'm not for or against fracking, but I am certainly against these numpties disrupting the local area, and making out that anyone involved with Quadrilla, their supply base, and the Police is immoral and evil.
To be honest I'm hoping their are a few more minor earthquakes once they start pressurising the ground on the Fylde. It might drop Blackpool into the sea.
DSGbangs said:
Flaming tap water is not cool chaps, Google it.
The earth is flat. Google that! Any attempt to portray it as a globe is a NASA conspiracy and a fraud. Clearly fracking is dangerous because the drill might come out the other side and let "space" through!
http://metro.co.uk/2017/03/20/yet-more-celebrities...
sospan said:
Has anyone made a claim against protesters for loss of earnings or other costs?
I haven't heard of any.
Not an easy task as identifying who to sue is not easy?
But......if such losses are incurred by general public or businesses with no connection to the issue being protested against then surely there is a need to provide redress to the "victims" by law change?
Different in some respects to strike action so can be treated as such.
Somebody who spent 10hrs on top of a tanker deliverering to the site got find £300.I haven't heard of any.
Not an easy task as identifying who to sue is not easy?
But......if such losses are incurred by general public or businesses with no connection to the issue being protested against then surely there is a need to provide redress to the "victims" by law change?
Different in some respects to strike action so can be treated as such.
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/environment...
julianc said:
Good for them.
What else can you do when a planning application for fracking is rejected by the county council, but overruled by central government because this polluting, largely unregulated practice (it is in fact self regulating - ho ho) is not in the south east?
Do you have sleepless nights about what's going on up at BNFL Springfields and the radioactive waste they dump at Clifton Marsh as well?What else can you do when a planning application for fracking is rejected by the county council, but overruled by central government because this polluting, largely unregulated practice (it is in fact self regulating - ho ho) is not in the south east?
Oakey said:
Do you have sleepless nights about what's going on up at BNFL Springfields and the radioactive waste they dump at Clifton Marsh as well?
I assume you mean the Westinghouse Springfields plant - it hasn't been BNFL for many years. No I don't have sleepless nights, they only handle low enriched uranium there, there are many things around that are a lot worse than that. I've spent years writing via my MP to government about fracking and attended meetings with the HMG people responsible for regulation. They don't have a clue, they are making it up as they are going along. The pollution includes the chemicals pumped into the ground, noise pollution, light pollution, etc. Do the research and don't believe everything the pro lobby tells you.
Yeah Chemicals. Nasty chemicals such as H2O, sand, bit of soap... (can see why the "protesters" won't like that one), all of which if returned to surface is collected. A lot stays down the thousands of feet below the ground. - With the other nasty chemicals such as oil and gas which we have been extracting and using for years...Still nowhere near any water tables.
julianc said:
I assume you mean the Westinghouse Springfields plant - it hasn't been BNFL for many years. No I don't have sleepless nights, they only handle low enriched uranium there, there are many things around that are a lot worse than that.
I've spent years writing via my MP to government about fracking and attended meetings with the HMG people responsible for regulation. They don't have a clue, they are making it up as they are going along. The pollution includes the chemicals pumped into the ground, noise pollution, light pollution, etc. Do the research and don't believe everything the pro lobby tells you.
Sand and water pumped deep into rocks is "pollution"?I've spent years writing via my MP to government about fracking and attended meetings with the HMG people responsible for regulation. They don't have a clue, they are making it up as they are going along. The pollution includes the chemicals pumped into the ground, noise pollution, light pollution, etc. Do the research and don't believe everything the pro lobby tells you.
It's this sort of guff that means that sensible people ignore fracking protestors. They all seem to be nimbys who just don't understand the issues.
Scotty2 said:
Yeah Chemicals. Nasty chemicals such as H2O, sand, bit of soap... (can see why the "protesters" won't like that one), all of which if returned to surface is collected. A lot stays down the thousands of feet below the ground. - With the other nasty chemicals such as oil and gas which we have been extracting and using for years...Still nowhere near any water tables.
It's pathetic isn't it? They want to leave billions of gallons of awful, carcinogenic oil in the pristine deep environment, but are all upset at a bit of water and sand ending up down there.julianc said:
I assume you mean the Westinghouse Springfields plant - it hasn't been BNFL for many years. No I don't have sleepless nights, they only handle low enriched uranium there, there are many things around that are a lot worse than that.
I've spent years writing via my MP to government about fracking and attended meetings with the HMG people responsible for regulation. They don't have a clue, they are making it up as they are going along. The pollution includes the chemicals pumped into the ground, noise pollution, light pollution, etc. Do the research and don't believe everything the pro lobby tells you.
Even an anti-Fracking commissioned anti-fracking report was buried because it found no risk.I've spent years writing via my MP to government about fracking and attended meetings with the HMG people responsible for regulation. They don't have a clue, they are making it up as they are going along. The pollution includes the chemicals pumped into the ground, noise pollution, light pollution, etc. Do the research and don't believe everything the pro lobby tells you.
People like you should be prosecuted for promulgating fake scare stories.
Fracking is about as risk free as any industrial activity that keeps modern society civilized can ever possibly be.
Keep writing your letters to your MP, may I suggest a switch from green to red crayon.
Meanwhile common sense is prevailing - INEOS etc. are getting injunctions in place -.and the disgusting harassment and intimidation by a minority of eco-flakes will be dealt with by jail time for contempt.
People like you will not be allowed to bypass the democratic process, the vast majority of people think cheap electricity, eating, and staying warm, is more important than your delusional views.
Mr GrimNasty said:
julianc said:
I assume you mean the Westinghouse Springfields plant - it hasn't been BNFL for many years. No I don't have sleepless nights, they only handle low enriched uranium there, there are many things around that are a lot worse than that.
I've spent years writing via my MP to government about fracking and attended meetings with the HMG people responsible for regulation. They don't have a clue, they are making it up as they are going along. The pollution includes the chemicals pumped into the ground, noise pollution, light pollution, etc. Do the research and don't believe everything the pro lobby tells you.
Even an anti-Fracking commissioned anti-fracking report was buried because it found no risk.I've spent years writing via my MP to government about fracking and attended meetings with the HMG people responsible for regulation. They don't have a clue, they are making it up as they are going along. The pollution includes the chemicals pumped into the ground, noise pollution, light pollution, etc. Do the research and don't believe everything the pro lobby tells you.
People like you should be prosecuted for promulgating fake scare stories.
Fracking is about as risk free as any industrial activity that keeps modern society civilized can ever possibly be.
Keep writing your letters to your MP, may I suggest a switch from green to red crayon.
Meanwhile common sense is prevailing - INEOS etc. are getting injunctions in place -.and the disgusting harassment and intimidation by a minority of eco-flakes will be dealt with by jail time for contempt.
People like you will not be allowed to bypass the democratic process, the vast majority of people think cheap electricity, eating, and staying warm, is more important than your delusional views.
Fracking is a contentious issue and like most things in life; is nuanced in its pro and con columns. This thread shows that your average PH'er is as naive as they claim the 'other side' to be. It's laughable. There are many issues related to fracking; I have family near the lanc' site and the tremors have caused damage to property. The light and sound pollution is going to be bad, also, for local residents. It's for these reasons, amongst others, that many countries only allow fracking a set distance from any actual civilisation. But we are a tiny country and don't have that luxury.
Whatever the case may be; in typical PH fashion; fracking is simply 'oorsome duddeee'. What a world it would be if everything was a clear cut as it appears to be in the 'paint by numbers' minds of some posters here.
The often exhibited ignorance of the protesters has been mentioned earlier. What the protesters often don't know, or don't want to know, is that many of the oil prospecting sites are not going to be utilising the fracking method of extraction and instead use conventional drilling and production techniques. Fracking anyway is well controlled by regulation in the UK (as are all oil extraction projects) and as far as I can see extremely thorough geological surveys are undertaken prior to extraction. Plus for example, with use of non-toxic biodegradable drilling fluids there is a lot of consideration being given to the environmental factors in oil extraction in the UK which I don't think the protesters realise; they are largely driven by ignorance and hysteria of course. Much of the anti oil extraction movement seems to be driven by pseudo scientists in exactly the same way as the so called 'man made climate change' rhetoric; the so called 'science guy' Bill Nye and Al Gore in the US being good examples.
Much of the attitude towards the protestors is the same as that which was directed at the women of Greenham Common, the miners striking for their rights,, the protests against the poll tax,, the residents of Grenfell Tower. the Occupy protest: they don't' know enough, they are getting in the way of ordinary people, how dare they, why do they not use a democratic route?.
Perhaps it is because big industries like Oil, Tobacco, Energy, Motors, Food etc. have lied to us for so long, that, even when they might be right, people do not believe them, and that these industries have central government in their pocket, so all of a sudden something the local council does not want is forced upon them. IF you feel this way then physical disruptive protest might be your only choice.
People protest in this way because they believe that what they do is good for society, and because they care about the greater good. IF more folks cared about what is good for all of us, rather than what is good for their pocket, perhaps protest such as this might not have to happen.
Perhaps it is because big industries like Oil, Tobacco, Energy, Motors, Food etc. have lied to us for so long, that, even when they might be right, people do not believe them, and that these industries have central government in their pocket, so all of a sudden something the local council does not want is forced upon them. IF you feel this way then physical disruptive protest might be your only choice.
People protest in this way because they believe that what they do is good for society, and because they care about the greater good. IF more folks cared about what is good for all of us, rather than what is good for their pocket, perhaps protest such as this might not have to happen.
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