Speeding on the Continent UK GOV's resp to X Border info
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Does anyone think this isnt law yet, as reading this we still seem not to be abiding to the EU directive of cross border information sharing on 8 key driving offences?
EU Directive > http://etsc.eu/faq-eu-cross-border-enforcement-dir...
UK GOV May 2017 response http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2017/554/pdfs/u...
Looks like we are safe until we eventually leave Europe?
EU Directive > http://etsc.eu/faq-eu-cross-border-enforcement-dir...
UK GOV May 2017 response http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2017/554/pdfs/u...
Looks like we are safe until we eventually leave Europe?
As UK drivers it doesn't mention about reciprocal fines and data sharing on the use of your information as a UK citizen driving abroad on any GOV website
only after digging around can you actually find the information.
And also driving through Europe all the time and being flashed on several occasion no one has actually reported being fined!
I think the Daily Mail would run an artical with a picture of an unhappy UK motorist holding his summons from France or where ever dont you??? I haven't seen anything like that yet?
only after digging around can you actually find the information.
And also driving through Europe all the time and being flashed on several occasion no one has actually reported being fined!
I think the Daily Mail would run an artical with a picture of an unhappy UK motorist holding his summons from France or where ever dont you??? I haven't seen anything like that yet?
bmw320ci said:
Looks like we are safe until we eventually leave Europe?
I'd be extremely confident it will be maintained after we leave Europe. Having your speeding fines enforced is a small price to pay to have a reciprocal arrangement allowing greater access to information on foreign cars which may be involved in more serious crimes here in the UK.
Prof Prolapse said:
Having your speeding fines enforced is a small price to pay to have a reciprocal arrangement allowing greater access to information on foreign cars which may be involved in more serious crimes here in the UK.
Woah! Hold on! Are you suggesting that reciprocity is actually FAIR?Dammit, NO! We are BRITISH! We have a perfect right to do whatever we like in Johnny Foreigner's country without any comeback, while Johnny Foreigner should be hung, drawn and quartered for even thinking about coming onto our shores...
TooMany2cvs said:
Woah! Hold on! Are you suggesting that reciprocity is actually FAIR?
Dammit, NO! We are BRITISH! We have a perfect right to do whatever we like in Johnny Foreigner's country without any comeback, while Johnny Foreigner should be hung, drawn and quartered for even thinking about coming onto our shores...
bDammit, NO! We are BRITISH! We have a perfect right to do whatever we like in Johnny Foreigner's country without any comeback, while Johnny Foreigner should be hung, drawn and quartered for even thinking about coming onto our shores...
ks sorry I forgot about that.Well we won the war after all didn't we? Well... Not so much us, but previous generations... "we" won the war in much the same way that "we" beat Chelsea, or we liberated the people of the planet of the Apes.
We have the right to special dispensation based on all of those things. Especially the ape thing.
I got flashed my a red light camera in the south of France a month after this came into force and I haven't had anything through.
In my region of France, during the summer around 2/3 of speed camera activations are caused by foreign registered vehicles which they don't follow up. It would be quite an undertaking for the ticket office to suddenly increase productivity to follow up all those fines, particularly considering they're french so productivity isn't their strong point anyway.
In my region of France, during the summer around 2/3 of speed camera activations are caused by foreign registered vehicles which they don't follow up. It would be quite an undertaking for the ticket office to suddenly increase productivity to follow up all those fines, particularly considering they're french so productivity isn't their strong point anyway.
So been flashed for doing 108 km/h in a 100 km/h zone on the autobahn in Germany, yep fine i did wrong ill pay the fine.
Received a letter 1 month after to the registered keeper (not me) with my picture of my mugshot (RHD side) with the reg below, all in German no English, luckily enough I have a colleague who is Swiss who can speak fluent German and the letter is saying its a caution and pay 10 Euro, but I'm reading where our stupid government have signed up to the this cross border information where the vehicle is registered it has to be in that local langague in this case English.
I have called the DVLA/C and asked them what i need, there advise was to call the German equivalent and ask to have it sent in English, so I proceeded to ask if (Which the UK doesn't) send in reverse (German done for speeding in UK fine sent in English to German resident) could the DVLA/C speak German upon where the Welsh Civil Servant said no, so I said why are you expecting and for me to ask if they speak English. So I said when your giving out my information to some foreign government you don't check whether I am going to be protected under the new EU Cross Border Law, to the answer 'I cant help you any further'
I am going to pay it but this goes to prove again the UK government bow down to European money making schemes.
Received a letter 1 month after to the registered keeper (not me) with my picture of my mugshot (RHD side) with the reg below, all in German no English, luckily enough I have a colleague who is Swiss who can speak fluent German and the letter is saying its a caution and pay 10 Euro, but I'm reading where our stupid government have signed up to the this cross border information where the vehicle is registered it has to be in that local langague in this case English.
I have called the DVLA/C and asked them what i need, there advise was to call the German equivalent and ask to have it sent in English, so I proceeded to ask if (Which the UK doesn't) send in reverse (German done for speeding in UK fine sent in English to German resident) could the DVLA/C speak German upon where the Welsh Civil Servant said no, so I said why are you expecting and for me to ask if they speak English. So I said when your giving out my information to some foreign government you don't check whether I am going to be protected under the new EU Cross Border Law, to the answer 'I cant help you any further'
I am going to pay it but this goes to prove again the UK government bow down to European money making schemes.
no your missing the point..
the point im making is that the letter should be in English and not German...if the UK government are going to sign up to these things are be pressured into joining then at least make sure the law is followed when another member state is contacted about an alleged offense.
and this is not a fine this is caution so well pleased im not going to have to pay £60 equivalent. but in the UK 100kph= 62.13712mph so if I was 8kph= 4.970970mph over I wouldn't even be receiving a fine.
the point im making is that the letter should be in English and not German...if the UK government are going to sign up to these things are be pressured into joining then at least make sure the law is followed when another member state is contacted about an alleged offense.
and this is not a fine this is caution so well pleased im not going to have to pay £60 equivalent. but in the UK 100kph= 62.13712mph so if I was 8kph= 4.970970mph over I wouldn't even be receiving a fine.
bmw320ci said:
So been flashed for doing 108 km/h in a 100 km/h zone on the autobahn in Germany, yep fine i did wrong ill pay the fine.
Received a letter 1 month after to the registered keeper (not me) with my picture of my mugshot (RHD side) with the reg below, all in German no English, luckily enough I have a colleague who is Swiss who can speak fluent German and the letter is saying its a caution and pay 10 Euro, but I'm reading where our stupid government have signed up to the this cross border information where the vehicle is registered it has to be in that local langague in this case English.
I have called the DVLA/C and asked them what i need, there advise was to call the German equivalent and ask to have it sent in English, so I proceeded to ask if (Which the UK doesn't) send in reverse (German done for speeding in UK fine sent in English to German resident) could the DVLA/C speak German upon where the Welsh Civil Servant said no, so I said why are you expecting and for me to ask if they speak English. So I said when your giving out my information to some foreign government you don't check whether I am going to be protected under the new EU Cross Border Law, to the answer 'I cant help you any further'
I am going to pay it but this goes to prove again the UK government bow down to European money making schemes.
So.... because *you* chose to drive in another country, and then broke their motoring laws, and were caught, and have admitted the offence, and agreed to pay - then this is a "European money making scheme" which the "uk government bow down to"? I think most rational people would say "it's a good thing that we can obtain the details of, and prosecute, those who break the law irrespective of their country of origin". I fail to see how this is a money making scheme. Received a letter 1 month after to the registered keeper (not me) with my picture of my mugshot (RHD side) with the reg below, all in German no English, luckily enough I have a colleague who is Swiss who can speak fluent German and the letter is saying its a caution and pay 10 Euro, but I'm reading where our stupid government have signed up to the this cross border information where the vehicle is registered it has to be in that local langague in this case English.
I have called the DVLA/C and asked them what i need, there advise was to call the German equivalent and ask to have it sent in English, so I proceeded to ask if (Which the UK doesn't) send in reverse (German done for speeding in UK fine sent in English to German resident) could the DVLA/C speak German upon where the Welsh Civil Servant said no, so I said why are you expecting and for me to ask if they speak English. So I said when your giving out my information to some foreign government you don't check whether I am going to be protected under the new EU Cross Border Law, to the answer 'I cant help you any further'
I am going to pay it but this goes to prove again the UK government bow down to European money making schemes.
If I read it right, your specific complaint is that you believe that the relevant regulation requires the letter to be sent in the official language of the target country. In this case I suggest you can either:
- refuse to pay, on the basis that they have not implemented the regulation correctly
- pay
- contact them and ask them to provide the information in english.
bmw320ci said:
the point im making is that the letter should be in English and not German.
Umm, why?You are being prosecuted for breaking German law while you were in Germany. It's really not the German court's fault that you're a monoglot and couldn't speak the language of the country you were in when you committed the crime, is it?
Would you expect your local court to do all the paperwork in all 23 of the EU's other local languages? No, you'd have a right ol' whinge at the waste of money.
Even at the very highest level, English is one of three "Procedural" languages within the EU - as is German.
TooMany2cvs said:
Umm, why?
You are being prosecuted for breaking German law while you were in Germany. It's really not the German court's fault that you're a monoglot and couldn't speak the language of the country you were in when you committed the crime, is it?
Would you expect your local court to do all the paperwork in all 23 of the EU's other local languages? No, you'd have a right ol' whinge at the waste of money.
Even at the very highest level, English is one of three "Procedural" languages within the EU - as is German.
Actually I think he is right, they have to provide a translation.You are being prosecuted for breaking German law while you were in Germany. It's really not the German court's fault that you're a monoglot and couldn't speak the language of the country you were in when you committed the crime, is it?
Would you expect your local court to do all the paperwork in all 23 of the EU's other local languages? No, you'd have a right ol' whinge at the waste of money.
Even at the very highest level, English is one of three "Procedural" languages within the EU - as is German.
http://ec.europa.eu/justice/criminal/criminal-righ...
Just as if you are arrested in the UK they will use an interpreter to assist with understanding.
Vaud said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Umm, why?
You are being prosecuted for breaking German law while you were in Germany. It's really not the German court's fault that you're a monoglot and couldn't speak the language of the country you were in when you committed the crime, is it?
Would you expect your local court to do all the paperwork in all 23 of the EU's other local languages? No, you'd have a right ol' whinge at the waste of money.
Even at the very highest level, English is one of three "Procedural" languages within the EU - as is German.
Actually I think he is right, they have to provide a translation.You are being prosecuted for breaking German law while you were in Germany. It's really not the German court's fault that you're a monoglot and couldn't speak the language of the country you were in when you committed the crime, is it?
Would you expect your local court to do all the paperwork in all 23 of the EU's other local languages? No, you'd have a right ol' whinge at the waste of money.
Even at the very highest level, English is one of three "Procedural" languages within the EU - as is German.
http://ec.europa.eu/justice/criminal/criminal-righ...
Just as if you are arrested in the UK they will use an interpreter to assist with understanding.
"Where a Member State provides for the imposition of a sanction regarding minor offences by an authority other than a court having jurisdiction in criminal matters, and the imposition of such a sanction may be appealed to such a court, this Directive shall apply only to the proceedings before that court following such an appeal."
Edited by agtlaw on Wednesday 29th November 12:27
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