Biggest privately built submarine sinks...
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https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/08/amateur-...
I'm watching this with morbid interest!
A Danish company called Copenhagen Suborbitals (which is crowd funded and open source) are developing sea-launched, suborbital rockets. They've been going quite a while too. For some reason, they have a submarine rather than a tug boat. The sub was finished in 2008 and was designed by an aerospace engineer called Peter Marsden. Its called the UV3 Nautilus and is the third and largest sub this outfit have built. It cost $200k (which I thought sounds quite cheap!).
They have used the sub successfully for years, completed over 1000 dives. Then it needed some "servicing" and they launched a crowd funding bid to raise the cash to carry out the maintenance. They didn't quite make the goal and the sub eventually ended up in Peter's hands and he was going to complete the work himself.
Apparently, this then drew the attention of a Swedish Journalist and she met up with Peter and his sub so she could write a bit for Wired. They've then apparently left Refshaleøen, near Copenhagen harbour around 7PM in the sub, on a test run and then failed to return. At 3:30 AM the sub was reported missing and then spotted in Koge bay by the harbour master 7 hours later. Peter had contacted the harbour master saying they had experienced technical issues and were heading back to the harbour.
It never made it. It sank to the bottom the bay. There was a problem with the ballasting system which caused the sub to submerge whilst he was up top with the hatches open. It was gone in less than 30 seconds. Being up top he survived and was picked up by a following boat.
But what about her?
He claims he'd dropped her off around 10:30PM near where they departed, but no one has seen or heard from her since.
The sub is only in 7 m of water so I presume it won't take long to discover some horrible truth...
ETA: reported missing at 3:30AM , then spotted in the bay 7 hours later by the harbour master. Sank at 11 AM. Also he says they left initially at 7PM and had dropped her off at 10:30PM the same evening.
I'm watching this with morbid interest!
A Danish company called Copenhagen Suborbitals (which is crowd funded and open source) are developing sea-launched, suborbital rockets. They've been going quite a while too. For some reason, they have a submarine rather than a tug boat. The sub was finished in 2008 and was designed by an aerospace engineer called Peter Marsden. Its called the UV3 Nautilus and is the third and largest sub this outfit have built. It cost $200k (which I thought sounds quite cheap!).
They have used the sub successfully for years, completed over 1000 dives. Then it needed some "servicing" and they launched a crowd funding bid to raise the cash to carry out the maintenance. They didn't quite make the goal and the sub eventually ended up in Peter's hands and he was going to complete the work himself.
Apparently, this then drew the attention of a Swedish Journalist and she met up with Peter and his sub so she could write a bit for Wired. They've then apparently left Refshaleøen, near Copenhagen harbour around 7PM in the sub, on a test run and then failed to return. At 3:30 AM the sub was reported missing and then spotted in Koge bay by the harbour master 7 hours later. Peter had contacted the harbour master saying they had experienced technical issues and were heading back to the harbour.
It never made it. It sank to the bottom the bay. There was a problem with the ballasting system which caused the sub to submerge whilst he was up top with the hatches open. It was gone in less than 30 seconds. Being up top he survived and was picked up by a following boat.
But what about her?
He claims he'd dropped her off around 10:30PM near where they departed, but no one has seen or heard from her since.
The sub is only in 7 m of water so I presume it won't take long to discover some horrible truth...
ETA: reported missing at 3:30AM , then spotted in the bay 7 hours later by the harbour master. Sank at 11 AM. Also he says they left initially at 7PM and had dropped her off at 10:30PM the same evening.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Saturday 12th August 14:02
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Saturday 12th August 14:07
drdino said:
The story sounds very fishy (sorry!). Gizmodo had a good article on it as well, apparently Wired wasn't aware of any journalists working on such a story.
Yes forgot to mention that bit. Says she was writing for Wired, but neither US nor UK arms of that outlet have any knowledge. I don't know how stories work with them though. Whether you just write something and submit it and if they like it, they post it?
I wonder if, he'd originally returned to the harbour after the test run with the journo, but either he failed to radio in or no one noticed its return. Then he's gone back out in it later and got into trouble. In the meantime the authorities think he's not been back and so report it missing. Could happen, small, black submarine at night. Just wasn't spotted/he didn't radio in.
Otherwise he's been out in it for over 12 hours, doing what?
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Saturday 12th August 14:09
All odd really. Always the last person, but if it sunk with her onboard it wouldn't be murder, manslaughter I guess. So why would he lie is the question?
Just noticed this.
It was the reporter's boyfriend who alerted authorities the submarine was missing early on Friday. Two helicopters and three ships combed the sea from Copenhagen to the Baltic Sea island of Bornholm.
"The navy initially said the sub was "found sailing" south of Copenhagen. But Mr Damgaard later said the 40-ton, nearly 18-meter-long submarine had sunk."
So looks like he has scuttled sub to hide evidence and probably dumped body in sea to never be found.
Just noticed this.
It was the reporter's boyfriend who alerted authorities the submarine was missing early on Friday. Two helicopters and three ships combed the sea from Copenhagen to the Baltic Sea island of Bornholm.
"The navy initially said the sub was "found sailing" south of Copenhagen. But Mr Damgaard later said the 40-ton, nearly 18-meter-long submarine had sunk."
So looks like he has scuttled sub to hide evidence and probably dumped body in sea to never be found.
Edited by The Spruce goose on Saturday 12th August 14:14
The Spruce goose said:
but if it sunk with her onboard it wouldn't be murder, manslaughter I guess.
Poster in OP's link said:
They have arrested the owner for murder. He is going for a judge today. The Swedish women is still not found and was not seen on security cameras in the area he claimed to have left here.
The news in Danish.
News 1: http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/tidlig ... nk-tjekkes
News 2: http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/ubaads ... ig-skyldig
News 3: http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/overbl ... ske-kvinde
The work on recovering the sunk submarine has started.
The news in Danish.
News 1: http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/tidlig ... nk-tjekkes
News 2: http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/ubaads ... ig-skyldig
News 3: http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/overbl ... ske-kvinde
The work on recovering the sunk submarine has started.
On another forum he had arranged with his 2 crew members to sail the next day, Friday, but texted them after meeting the journalist( her name is now known) to cancel the sail and sailed alone with her Thursday night, and there are photos of both of them sailing at about 7.30pm.
Edit to add translated quote
"Several people who say they are part of the crew of the submarine have since declared submarine that they had planned to sail to Bornholm on Friday with Peter Madsen in "UC3 Nautilus", which would appear at 14.00.
For unknown reasons, Peter Madsen chose to cancel the trip on Thursday evening.
It tells Christoffer Meyer, who has helped build the submarine and is a good friend of Peter Madsen. He spoke last time with Peter Madsen on Thursday at 19.30, when he was informed that the trip was canceled.
At that point, according to Christoffer Meyer, Peter Madsen did not mention a word that he was heading out into the submarine with a journalist.
An unnamed man also tells the Swedish newspaper Expressen that he should have participated in the planned trip to Bornholm.
"But then I received a sms last Thursday (Thursday, ed.) That it was canceled," explains the man who, according to the newspaper, has known the submarine owner Peter Madsen since 2008 and himself has a past in the Navy.
According to Expressen, the text ticked in at a time when Peter Madsen, according to his own statement, had already left the Swedish journalist at the Refshale island.
According to the man whom Expressen met outside Peter Madsen's hangar and workshop on Refshale Island on Friday, he sent a text back to Peter Madsen asking why the trip was canceled. The text was never answered"
Edit to add translated quote
"Several people who say they are part of the crew of the submarine have since declared submarine that they had planned to sail to Bornholm on Friday with Peter Madsen in "UC3 Nautilus", which would appear at 14.00.
For unknown reasons, Peter Madsen chose to cancel the trip on Thursday evening.
It tells Christoffer Meyer, who has helped build the submarine and is a good friend of Peter Madsen. He spoke last time with Peter Madsen on Thursday at 19.30, when he was informed that the trip was canceled.
At that point, according to Christoffer Meyer, Peter Madsen did not mention a word that he was heading out into the submarine with a journalist.
An unnamed man also tells the Swedish newspaper Expressen that he should have participated in the planned trip to Bornholm.
"But then I received a sms last Thursday (Thursday, ed.) That it was canceled," explains the man who, according to the newspaper, has known the submarine owner Peter Madsen since 2008 and himself has a past in the Navy.
According to Expressen, the text ticked in at a time when Peter Madsen, according to his own statement, had already left the Swedish journalist at the Refshale island.
According to the man whom Expressen met outside Peter Madsen's hangar and workshop on Refshale Island on Friday, he sent a text back to Peter Madsen asking why the trip was canceled. The text was never answered"
Edited by The Spruce goose on Saturday 12th August 14:29
Edited by The Spruce goose on Saturday 12th August 14:39
Wiccan of Darkness said:
drdino said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Otherwise he's been out in it for over 12 hours, doing what?
Showing her his submarine would be a good guess...
Reading in the comments. The sub isn't part of the sub-orbital rocket thing, it was a separate venture. Quote, I think from Gizmodo:
Gizmodo said:
The Nautilus was another project for the group and was a bigger success. In 2014, Madsen left the group to focus on other projects, one of which being the UC3 Nautilus.
The UC3 Nautilus submarine association was formed in order to separate ownership of the sub from Copenhagen Suborbitals. But within a year, Madsen was feuding with the board of that organization over who the proper owner of Nautilus really was.
The UC3 Nautilus submarine association was formed in order to separate ownership of the sub from Copenhagen Suborbitals. But within a year, Madsen was feuding with the board of that organization over who the proper owner of Nautilus really was.
Well the Danes aren't hanging about
Navy and a cargo vessel M/V Vina are on site. The cargo ship has large cranes that can lift 75T.
They're here on Marine Traffic:
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:...
So I guess it won't be too long before its hauled aboard and back to port.
Navy and a cargo vessel M/V Vina are on site. The cargo ship has large cranes that can lift 75T.
They're here on Marine Traffic:
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:...
So I guess it won't be too long before its hauled aboard and back to port.
Mastodon2 said:
Even though it looks incredibly basic, $200,000 still sounds very, very cheap for a submarine.
From what I read it was built by volunteers over 3 years. If you have engineers/welders/researchers working for free then it would be possible. I guess if you wanted it built professionally then it would be 100x that!Looks like the M/V Vina is on its way back to port. Peter Madsen is apparently being held in custody accused of involuntary manslaughter.
I am guessing he's given the game away during the closed-doors hearing he had earlier today.
If so, there has probably been a tragic accident and he's panicked and come up with some silly plan to hide it; Scuttle the boat...not that doing it in 7m of water was going to lock the secrets away for long. I hope they do find the body, at least then its over.
I am guessing he's given the game away during the closed-doors hearing he had earlier today.
If so, there has probably been a tragic accident and he's panicked and come up with some silly plan to hide it; Scuttle the boat...not that doing it in 7m of water was going to lock the secrets away for long. I hope they do find the body, at least then its over.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Looks like the M/V Vina is on its way back to port. Peter Madsen is apparently being held in custody accused of involuntary manslaughter.
I am guessing he's given the game away during the closed-doors hearing he had earlier today.
If so, there has probably been a tragic accident and he's panicked and come up with some silly plan to hide it; Scuttle the boat...not that doing it in 7m of water was going to lock the secrets away for long. I hope they do find the body, at least then its over.
the only thing is he lost radio contact for a few hours, they sent search planes spotted him and he sailed back into port, then the sub sunk. So i would surmise he did it to remove the evidence as she was dead already.I am guessing he's given the game away during the closed-doors hearing he had earlier today.
If so, there has probably been a tragic accident and he's panicked and come up with some silly plan to hide it; Scuttle the boat...not that doing it in 7m of water was going to lock the secrets away for long. I hope they do find the body, at least then its over.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Looks like the M/V Vina is on its way back to port. Peter Madsen is apparently being held in custody accused of involuntary manslaughter.
I am guessing he's given the game away during the closed-doors hearing he had earlier today.
If so, there has probably been a tragic accident and he's panicked and come up with some silly plan to hide it; Scuttle the boat...not that doing it in 7m of water was going to lock the secrets away for long. I hope they do find the body, at least then its over.
the new york times reported thisI am guessing he's given the game away during the closed-doors hearing he had earlier today.
If so, there has probably been a tragic accident and he's panicked and come up with some silly plan to hide it; Scuttle the boat...not that doing it in 7m of water was going to lock the secrets away for long. I hope they do find the body, at least then its over.
''..was arrested and jailed on charges of involuntary manslaughter, according to the local news media, even though the journalist, Kim Wall, 30, remains missing.
On Saturday, Mr. Madsen, 46, appeared before a judge, but the prosecution did not say how, where or why Ms. Wall was killed. The defendant denied any wrongdoing.''
The Spruce goose said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Looks like the M/V Vina is on its way back to port. Peter Madsen is apparently being held in custody accused of involuntary manslaughter.
I am guessing he's given the game away during the closed-doors hearing he had earlier today.
If so, there has probably been a tragic accident and he's panicked and come up with some silly plan to hide it; Scuttle the boat...not that doing it in 7m of water was going to lock the secrets away for long. I hope they do find the body, at least then its over.
the new york times reported thisI am guessing he's given the game away during the closed-doors hearing he had earlier today.
If so, there has probably been a tragic accident and he's panicked and come up with some silly plan to hide it; Scuttle the boat...not that doing it in 7m of water was going to lock the secrets away for long. I hope they do find the body, at least then its over.
''..was arrested and jailed on charges of involuntary manslaughter, according to the local news media, even though the journalist, Kim Wall, 30, remains missing.
On Saturday, Mr. Madsen, 46, appeared before a judge, but the prosecution did not say how, where or why Ms. Wall was killed. The defendant denied any wrongdoing.''
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