Have you paid or not?

[AH33]

Stop being so British and tell them to hurry the fk up. I've had to do it on multiple occasions and I'm not exactly a PBCD.

[PurpleMoonlight]

janesmith1950 said:

DO you think parliament would have meant to criminalise behaviour where D not only telegraphs his intention to pay, but also leaves more money than necessary to pay for the goods? Can you imagine a jury that could come to the conclusion the behaviour in this thread were 'dishonest'?

Secondly, what civil wrong would the supermarket look to right in the courts (in an imaginary world where it came to that)? If there is no contract, what is any relief to be against? Nuisance?

Shoplifting.

[AH33]

• in the petrol station.

In the supermarket you'd just go self service or the tobacco kiosk, surely?

[Boosted LS1]

Hey, you mister. Halt in the name of the law. Don't you know there's a queue?

I quite like his style to. Just look at how uppity everybody is. it reminds me of all those long traffic queue's when lane two is empty.

[HTP99]

hman said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

PAULJ5555 said:

In the supermarket on the weekend and there is a long line of people waiting to be served, this man just walks past everyone and holds up a single item and says to the checkout girl this is £1.50, here is a £2 coin keep the change and he walks out of the shop.

Impatient and a bit rude, but I quite like his style.

The style of an impatient entitled prick who deems himself above the law instead of waiting his turn to be served ?

I see it happen quite alot in petrol stations; queue of people, someone barges to the front brandishing a £20, "this is for pump 3, I'm in a rush" puts the £20 on the counter and walks out.

[anonymous-user]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Shoplifting.

What do you mean, shoplifting? That is Theft, as dealt with above. No dishonesty.

[PAULJ5555]

PurpleMoonlight said:

janesmith1950 said:

DO you think parliament would have meant to criminalise behaviour where D not only telegraphs his intention to pay, but also leaves more money than necessary to pay for the goods? Can you imagine a jury that could come to the conclusion the behaviour in this thread were 'dishonest'?

Secondly, what civil wrong would the supermarket look to right in the courts (in an imaginary world where it came to that)? If there is no contract, what is any relief to be against? Nuisance?

Shoplifting.

You can imagine the Daily Mail Headline.

[Muzzer79]

SantaBarbara said:

Someone should have stopped him

It may have been a bottle of whisky

For £1.50?

[NDA]

justinio said:

Always used to do that when I used to read newspapers. Just drop 20p on the counter in the local newsagents. I thought that was the done thing? Sounds like I'm a criminal, ho hum.

What really boils my piss is the mini supermarket/petrol stations that seem to be spreading. If I could get to the front of the queue of mums doing their weekly shop in the petrol station to drop my £20 on the counter, I would.

Yes, I must confess I've done this a few times - although not in a supermarket.

And totally agree with people doing their weekly shop in the petrol station - you pop in for a top up and they're buying one of everything.

[surveyor]

janesmith1950 said:

CYMR0 said:

except possibly dishonesty.

DO you think parliament would have meant to criminalise behaviour where D not only telegraphs his intention to pay, but also leaves more money than necessary to pay for the goods? Can you imagine a jury that could come to the conclusion the behaviour in this thread were 'dishonest'?

Secondly, what civil wrong would the supermarket look to right in the courts (in an imaginary world where it came to that)? If there is no contract, what is any relief to be against? Nuisance?

Arrogant arseness?

[cbmotorsport]

A long time ago when a student, I did some part time work at the local petrol station. It was a very popular one and very busy. It was so long ago that credit card payments were still taken using the old manual machines with carbon paper insert, so transactions weren't the instant affair they are now.

They'd always be a short queue, and you'd always get the impatient tts that would bypass the queue chuck £20 cash at you and go 'diesel on pump 2 mate' and walk off.

You'd have to process it straight away as you couldn't authorise the pump for the next person without logging the payment, so it caused carnage. You'd also need to check that they had actually only taken £20 of fuel before they drove off. It usually meant that the patient people in the queue had to wait even longer while you sorted out the mess.

[PAULJ5555]

Muzzer79 said:

SantaBarbara said:

Someone should have stopped him

It may have been a bottle of whisky

For £1.50?

He was also clearly over 40 so no need for ID

[PurpleMoonlight]

janesmith1950 said:

What do you mean, shoplifting? That is Theft, as dealt with above. No dishonesty.

Throwing money at a till operator claiming it covers the cost of the goods does not form a sales contract, so if the purchaser leaves the store then yes it's theft.

[super7]

Personally, if I was on that checkout, I'd have stopped what I was doing, stood up, and flagged to the checkout manager or Security guard to stop him... I'd then take the goods off of him and throw him out. Who says he paid for it? I bet everyone else in the queue would quite quickly deny seeing any money flying around....

I wouldn't put up with arrogant ahole throwing money at me and I certainly wouldn't want to have to decide what to do with the 50p. Sounds petty, but if this guy set a precendant and everyone did it, the till would soon be in a right mess.... and that's the sole responsibility of the checkout person.

Not only would the till be in a mess so would the stock order as items aren't getting scanned and counted for replacement by the depots.... again if a precedent is set things soon start getting messy....

More importantly though, this guy obvioulsy thinks he's above procedure and that shows a very nasty level of arrogance. What a cock!

[anonymous-user]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Throwing money at a till operator claiming it covers the cost of the goods does not form a sales contract, so if the purchaser leaves the store then yes it's theft.

Contract or no is an irrelevant dichotomy; no sales contract does not then equal a criminal offence.

Theft requires dishonest appropriation, which is a glaring omission from the circumstances here.

Put yourselves in the shoes of the prosecutor. You have to prove dishonesty beyond reasonable doubt. How are you going to do it?

[PurpleMoonlight]

janesmith1950 said:

Contract or no is an irrelevant dichotomy; no sales contract does not then equal a criminal offence.

Theft requires dishonest appropriation, which is a glaring omission from the circumstances here.

Put yourselves in the shoes of the prosecutor. You have to prove dishonesty beyond reasonable doubt. How are you going to do it?

Easy, the failure to pay.

[SantaBarbara]

PAULJ5555 said:

In the supermarket on the weekend and there is a long line of people waiting to be served, this man just walks past everyone and holds up a single item and says to the checkout girl this is £1.50, here is a £2 coin keep the change and he walks out of the shop.

Can you do that, have you paid?

Can you do this with booze? they wont be able to check your age.

Did you identify what the item was? Was it priced at £1.50 or not?

[Toltec]

cbmotorsport said:

You'd have to process it straight away as you couldn't authorise the pump for the next person without logging the payment, so it caused carnage.

I know I'm an old git and language evolves, however what do you think that word actually means? I think the word you are really looking for is chaos, it begins with the same initial letter so it is an easy mistake to make particulary if the first time you see or hear carnage used it is being misused.

Unless of course you had queues of people that suddenly decided to slaughter one another in a rather bloody fashion, in which case, carry on.

[anonymous-user]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Easy, the failure to pay.

How is this dishonest; they approached the checkout, showed the item, left more money than was required and walked out?

[PAULJ5555]

SantaBarbara said:

PAULJ5555 said:

In the supermarket on the weekend and there is a long line of people waiting to be served, this man just walks past everyone and holds up a single item and says to the checkout girl this is £1.50, here is a £2 coin keep the change and he walks out of the shop.

Can you do that, have you paid?

Can you do this with booze? they wont be able to check your age.

Did you identify what the item was? Was it priced at £1.50 or not?

I did not see this.

Some items do have big stickers on them with the price/special offer could have been one of them.