Have you paid or not?
Discussion
PurpleMoonlight said:
janesmith1950 said:
Contract or no is an irrelevant dichotomy; no sales contract does not then equal a criminal offence.
Theft requires dishonest appropriation, which is a glaring omission from the circumstances here.
Put yourselves in the shoes of the prosecutor. You have to prove dishonesty beyond reasonable doubt. How are you going to do it?
Easy, the failure to pay.Theft requires dishonest appropriation, which is a glaring omission from the circumstances here.
Put yourselves in the shoes of the prosecutor. You have to prove dishonesty beyond reasonable doubt. How are you going to do it?
SantaBarbara said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Lets be clear nobody was throwing/chucking money he placed it on the counter, he was not rude/nasty to the person on the checkout.
He was rude to the people in the Q who he overtook.Did he hold them up? He could have walked past, dropped of his £2, delivered his short speech, and left without breaking stride. If I were in the queue, I wouldn't have found that rude at all.
Far ruder at the utter scumbags on their phone whilst at the checkout having their items scanned.
PAULJ5555 said:
Is the contract a civil one?
Also the man could argue the girl on the check out said/mumbled ok completing the contract,
MAN - "I'm 100% sure officer she said ok, I left the cash so I was not permanently depriving the shop of anything, infact I paid more that I should have."
Would the man be speaking the truth, or telling an untruth?Also the man could argue the girl on the check out said/mumbled ok completing the contract,
MAN - "I'm 100% sure officer she said ok, I left the cash so I was not permanently depriving the shop of anything, infact I paid more that I should have."
It's not ok to tell lies, you know.
super7 said:
Personally, if I was on that checkout, I'd have stopped what I was doing, stood up, and flagged to the checkout manager or Security guard to stop him... I'd then take the goods off of him and throw him out. Who says he paid for it? I bet everyone else in the queue would quite quickly deny seeing any money flying around....
I wouldn't put up with arrogant a
hole throwing money at me and I certainly wouldn't want to have to decide what to do with the 50p. Sounds petty, but if this guy set a precendant and everyone did it, the till would soon be in a right mess.... and that's the sole responsibility of the checkout person.
Not only would the till be in a mess so would the stock order as items aren't getting scanned and counted for replacement by the depots.... again if a precedent is set things soon start getting messy....
More importantly though, this guy obvioulsy thinks he's above procedure and that shows a very nasty level of arrogance. What a cock!
Let's keep some perspective here.I wouldn't put up with arrogant a
hole throwing money at me and I certainly wouldn't want to have to decide what to do with the 50p. Sounds petty, but if this guy set a precendant and everyone did it, the till would soon be in a right mess.... and that's the sole responsibility of the checkout person.Not only would the till be in a mess so would the stock order as items aren't getting scanned and counted for replacement by the depots.... again if a precedent is set things soon start getting messy....
More importantly though, this guy obvioulsy thinks he's above procedure and that shows a very nasty level of arrogance. What a cock!
I worked on a checkout for a few years and have been going to supermarkets for longer and I've never seen this.
I think therefore we can chalk this up to an exception and this chap's fellow shoppers are not about to copy his actions. Nor will this go viral, leading to checkout armageddon.
Short version - he was in a hurry, held up his item, paid (too much) and left.
Rude? Probably.
Theft? No.
hman said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
PAULJ5555 said:
In the supermarket on the weekend and there is a long line of people waiting to be served, this man just walks past everyone and holds up a single item and says to the checkout girl this is £1.50, here is a £2 coin keep the change and he walks out of the shop.
Impatient and a bit rude, but I quite like his style. I have done this before in these circumstances.
As to the law, whilst I am sure they could sue me for the item back as the contract isn't complete, there is certainly no crime taking place.
Toltec said:
I know I'm an old git and language evolves, however what do you think that word actually means? I think the word you are really looking for is chaos, it begins with the same initial letter so it is an easy mistake to make particulary if the first time you see or hear carnage used it is being misused.
Unless of course you had queues of people that suddenly decided to slaughter one another in a rather bloody fashion, in which case, carry on.
I'm well aware of it's true meaning Toltec, but I'm also aware of it's colloquial use. As you say language evolves, perhaps evolve with it dear boy! ;-)Unless of course you had queues of people that suddenly decided to slaughter one another in a rather bloody fashion, in which case, carry on.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
PAULJ5555 said:
In the supermarket on the weekend and there is a long line of people waiting to be served, this man just walks past everyone and holds up a single item and says to the checkout girl this is £1.50, here is a £2 coin keep the change and he walks out of the shop.
Impatient and a bit rude, but I quite like his style. janesmith1950 said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Throwing money at a till operator claiming it covers the cost of the goods does not form a sales contract, so if the purchaser leaves the store then yes it's theft.
Contract or no is an irrelevant dichotomy; no sales contract does not then equal a criminal offence.Theft requires dishonest appropriation, which is a glaring omission from the circumstances here.
Put yourselves in the shoes of the prosecutor. You have to prove dishonesty beyond reasonable doubt. How are you going to do it?
It is surprising how many people conflate criminal and civil law. Some things can be a breach of both (e.g. careless driving which causes a collision whereby another person sustains injury.), but the example being discussed isn't one of them.
Pica-Pica said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
PAULJ5555 said:
In the supermarket on the weekend and there is a long line of people waiting to be served, this man just walks past everyone and holds up a single item and says to the checkout girl this is £1.50, here is a £2 coin keep the change and he walks out of the shop.
Impatient and a bit rude, but I quite like his style. This thread is not unlike the oft asked Mumsnet question, re parents who let their kids have a bag of crisps or a drink whilst going round the supermarket, and present the empty bag/carton at the checkout to pay for.
Most sensible people think it's no big deal, but you get the odd "it's theft, shameful behaviour, you could go to jail" loon. Seems their husbands have migrated over here.
Most sensible people think it's no big deal, but you get the odd "it's theft, shameful behaviour, you could go to jail" loon. Seems their husbands have migrated over here.
cbmotorsport said:
Toltec said:
I know I'm an old git and language evolves, however what do you think that word actually means? I think the word you are really looking for is chaos, it begins with the same initial letter so it is an easy mistake to make particulary if the first time you see or hear carnage used it is being misused.
Unless of course you had queues of people that suddenly decided to slaughter one another in a rather bloody fashion, in which case, carry on.
I'm well aware of it's true meaning Toltec, but I'm also aware of it's colloquial use. As you say language evolves, perhaps evolve with it dear boy! ;-)Unless of course you had queues of people that suddenly decided to slaughter one another in a rather bloody fashion, in which case, carry on.
I suppose it is defiantly time I brought into the moderm idiom, no point sitting on a pedalstool or hanging on tenderhooks, it just makes my heart beat ten to the dozen.
Edited by Toltec on Monday 21st August 16:27
Toltec said:
Sigh, one shall try to accomodate. All part and parcel of accepting people who think it is fine to behave the way the OP's buyer did.
I suppose it is defiantly time I brought into the moderm idiom, no point sitting on a pedalstool or hanging on tenderhooks, it just makes my heart beat ten to the dozen.
I suppose it is defiantly time I brought into the moderm idiom, no point sitting on a pedalstool or hanging on tenderhooks, it just makes my heart beat ten to the dozen.
Edited by Toltec on Monday 21st August 16:27
TwigtheWonderkid said:
This thread is not unlike the oft asked Mumsnet question, re parents who let their kids have a bag of crisps or a drink whilst going round the supermarket, and present the empty bag/carton at the checkout to pay for.
Most sensible people think it's no big deal, but you get the odd "it's theft, shameful behaviour, you could go to jail" loon. Seems their husbands have migrated over here.
I am more amazed people simply can't wait 20 minutes until they leave the supermarket to eat. Depends how they were brought up I suppose...Most sensible people think it's no big deal, but you get the odd "it's theft, shameful behaviour, you could go to jail" loon. Seems their husbands have migrated over here.
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