Private parking signs
Discussion
As some of you know I have an issue with people stealing my parking spaces.
I have been badgering the managing agents for the site to do something about it. This is their response.
20170824_062846 by Don Beech, on Flickr
It's not live yet and I haven't been provided with any permits yet, but there is currently no ANPR or CCTV cameras and I doubt there will be. I am guessing I will be required to take a picture of the offending vehicle and email it to the PPC.
I have been badgering the managing agents for the site to do something about it. This is their response.
20170824_062846 by Don Beech, on FlickrIt's not live yet and I haven't been provided with any permits yet, but there is currently no ANPR or CCTV cameras and I doubt there will be. I am guessing I will be required to take a picture of the offending vehicle and email it to the PPC.
I use Countrywide Parking at my blocks of flats and it's been a great success.
They have a similar sign, but they actually go out and visit sites looking for cars without permits and issue PCN's on unauthorised vehicles.
I'd imagine if this company are any good you'll soon see some big improvements on how and where people park.
Edit, it looks like your lot are also IPC members, I believe membership ensures they aren't just a bunch of back street clampers.
They have a similar sign, but they actually go out and visit sites looking for cars without permits and issue PCN's on unauthorised vehicles.
I'd imagine if this company are any good you'll soon see some big improvements on how and where people park.
Edit, it looks like your lot are also IPC members, I believe membership ensures they aren't just a bunch of back street clampers.
PurpleMoonlight said:
As some of you know I have an issue with people stealing my parking spaces.
I have been badgering the managing agents for the site to do something about it. This is their response.
20170824_062846 by Don Beech, on Flickr
It's not live yet and I haven't been provided with any permits yet, but there is currently no ANPR or CCTV cameras and I doubt there will be. I am guessing I will be required to take a picture of the offending vehicle and email it to the PPC.
Sign is forbidding, so in effect you can only contract with valid permit holders only. Anyone without a permit could still park without contravening the terms and conditions of the 'alleged contract' as it doesnt apply to them. Plenty of persuasive judgements regarding this and especially with VCS who are an awful company.I have been badgering the managing agents for the site to do something about it. This is their response.
20170824_062846 by Don Beech, on FlickrIt's not live yet and I haven't been provided with any permits yet, but there is currently no ANPR or CCTV cameras and I doubt there will be. I am guessing I will be required to take a picture of the offending vehicle and email it to the PPC.
The only recourse being the landowner as per Land Registry going for trespass and damages.
Have a Google of Simon Renshaw-Smith, Vehicle Control Services (VCS) and the sister company Excel Parking Services and then decide if they are appropriate people to be involved with
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Thursday 24th August 13:52
PurpleMoonlight said:
Do they persuade people to not park where not permitted?
They dont do anything as they get you to do all the stuff with vehicles parked in places you dont want them. You take the photo and send it off to them and do the rest of it badly so the driver will continue knowing that VCS are useless and cant write a sign or NTK properly to comply with POFA. It seems your badgering has resulted in the managing agent picking one of the worst companies out there involved in private parking.looking closer at the sign it is not capable of creating a contract. The address is shown as a PO Box so therefore no contract can be created with that sign. As i have mentioned well done on picking a s
tehawk of a companyEdited by pavarotti1980 on Thursday 24th August 14:27
PurpleMoonlight said:
Do they persuade people to not park where not permitted?
Not specifically, but they do like to entrap people at DRH and LJL Airports. They are predatory in that aspect, but luckily they do not rely on POFA for keeper liability. Obviously this isn't an issue at IAS appeals who make up rules as they go along, but any keeper that would challenge them on the grounds of keeper liability will never see any court documents. They will throw the occasional Excel (the sister company of VCS) ticket at BW Legal to chase up via the courts, but again, they are not generally reliant upon POFA 2012, and are regularly humiliated in court.
I'd also check that they have the rightful landowner authority to manage the spaces on your site, and not just that of the tenants or management agents. One that I have come across only today, the landowners have now written to say that they did not authorise the managing agents to instruct a parking warden without their consent.... The driver has a copy of that letter, and was suggesting that he was going to copy it and give each of the other 60 or so residents a copy.
I'll also hazard an educated guess that they keep the revenue of any tickets issued. This is fine whilst you have a genuine parking problem - I will guarantee that it will reduce the number of rogue cars left on the site, but what happens when there are no more unauthorised vehicles on site?
After all - would you offer your management services if you thought there was no revenue to come from it.?
As before - I wish you the best of luck with the choices you make.
I haven't made the choice, the managing agents did.
If it's the tenants that have to take pics and email, then the PPC has no ongoing costs for the site so even if infringements dwindle it's still likely worth their while being engaged.
I think the cost of the signs may have come out of the tenants service charges, or at least part of it.
If it's the tenants that have to take pics and email, then the PPC has no ongoing costs for the site so even if infringements dwindle it's still likely worth their while being engaged.
I think the cost of the signs may have come out of the tenants service charges, or at least part of it.
PurpleMoonlight said:
I haven't made the choice, the managing agents did.
If it's the tenants that have to take pics and email, then the PPC has no ongoing costs for the site so even if infringements dwindle it's still likely worth their while being engaged.
OK - I know that we have polar opposite opinions on the matter, so I'll leave it that.If it's the tenants that have to take pics and email, then the PPC has no ongoing costs for the site so even if infringements dwindle it's still likely worth their while being engaged.
Can I just suggest, for the benefit of your own piece of mind, that a solicitor reads over their contract before it is signed - specifically in relation to the cancellation of tickets, and the cancellation of the contract should your managing agents wish to do that at some point in the future.
It may also be worth checking the KADOE contract they have with the DVLA - self-ticketing has been considered a breach of this contract in the past, but I'm not sure if that has changed recently. You probably already know the reasons for me suggesting these points....
Just protect yourself if nothing else. I genuinely hate seeing people stung by parking companies, regardless if they are a motorist or a contract holder.
PurpleMoonlight said:
To be honest no I don't.
What's self ticketing?
The parking company issue a pad of blank tickets to residents and tenants for them to issue to errant vehicles. It used to be a breach of the KADOE contract in that only PPC direct employees or paid agents could issue tickets that resulted in the DVLA release keeper information. It may have changed though.What's self ticketing?
I recall that this was due to an issue with one person in a block of flats getting a napoleonic complex and throwing tickets out like confetti for all sorts of trivial reasons - one tenant didn't separate recycling properly, so Napoleon Norris issued them a parking ticket out of spite - the DVLA were obviously not amused at this, hence the clause in their contract with the PPC that only employees and paid agents could issue a ticket.
There are a number of PPC who will share the spoils for any tickets that are paid - I don't think that VCS work that way though, their customers do all the issuing of tickets and monitoring of car parking spaces, and VCS just chase them up - it saves on employment costs I guess.
But get a solicitor to read the contract anyway - I know of many people who struggle to get tickets cancelled, even though they employed the PPC.
I'm working with one customer at the moment who inherited a PPC contract when they bought another business, but are locked into a contract, which unfortunately has quite a strong precedent behind it - http://swarb.co.uk/parkingeye-ltd-v-somerfield-sto...
I'm working with one customer at the moment who inherited a PPC contract when they bought another business, but are locked into a contract, which unfortunately has quite a strong precedent behind it - http://swarb.co.uk/parkingeye-ltd-v-somerfield-sto...
Insert Coin said:
Edit, it looks like your lot are also IPC members, I believe membership ensures they aren't just a bunch of back street clampers.
Do you still believe in the tooth fairy and father christmas as well!!! Oh my god gave me a good laugh.No they only fine nurses at hospitals they work at 7k! You try getting a new permit from them! They are top bunch of criminals.
IPC make some clampers look good with their kangaroo court that declines 99.9% of appeals.
I wouldn't touch IPC members with a a barge pole and BPA is going down hill fast but at least you can win a good popla appeal try that with IPC i don't recommend anyone appeal to those frauds.
International Parking Community.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 24th August 16:04
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