Private parking signs
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surveyor_101 said:
Do you still believe in the tooth fairy and father christmas as well!!! Oh my god gave me a good laugh.
No they only fine nurses at hospitals they work at 7k! You try getting a new permit from them! They are top bunch of criminals.
IPC make some clampers look good with their kangaroo court that declines 99.9% of appeals.
I wouldn't touch IPC members with a a barge pole and BPA is going down hill fast but at least you can win a good popla appeal try that with IPC i don't recommend anyone appeal to those frauds.
International Parking Community.
I can only comment on the parking enforcement people I use, who happen to be IPC members and they have been very professional throughout the whole process of employing them.No they only fine nurses at hospitals they work at 7k! You try getting a new permit from them! They are top bunch of criminals.
IPC make some clampers look good with their kangaroo court that declines 99.9% of appeals.
I wouldn't touch IPC members with a a barge pole and BPA is going down hill fast but at least you can win a good popla appeal try that with IPC i don't recommend anyone appeal to those frauds.
International Parking Community.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 24th August 16:04
No doubt there are still plenty of bandits operating, but the guys we use appear to follow the code of conduct and it's seen a huge improvement in random people parking in my tenants parking spaces.
The Mad Monk said:
How does such entrapment manifest itself?
See that BMW going into the car park? There is a barrier in front of it. The little white van on the left of the image belongs to VCS, and they are not adverse to issuing tickets for people stopping whilst waiting at the barrier. Mainly rental cars too, because a lot of rental companies will simply pay and recharge the hirer. However JLA and RHA are not covered by POFA, therefore no Keeper Liability. They are covered under bye-laws, and keeper liability does not apply in these cases.
(damn Thumbsnap logo has covered the BMW!!)
S11Steve said:
The Mad Monk said:
How does such entrapment manifest itself?
See that BMW going into the car park? There is a barrier in front of it. The little white van on the left of the image belongs to VCS, and they are not adverse to issuing tickets for people stopping whilst waiting at the barrier. Mainly rental cars too, because a lot of rental companies will simply pay and recharge the hirer. However JLA and RHA are not covered by POFA, therefore no Keeper Liability. They are covered under bye-laws, and keeper liability does not apply in these cases.
(damn Thumbsnap logo has covered the BMW!!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment
Insert Coin said:
I can only comment on the parking enforcement people I use, who happen to be IPC members and they have been very professional throughout the whole process of employing them.
No doubt there are still plenty of bandits operating, but the guys we use appear to follow the code of conduct and it's seen a huge improvement in random people parking in my tenants parking spaces.
I had a very interesting meeting with a guy from Gladstone Solicitors earlier this year - the same people who pursue unpaid tickets, the same people who vet the signs for compliance, and the same guys who write the IPC Code of Conduct. The same guys that are currently on V5 of the code of conduct after being tripped up by it many times before. Instead of dealing with the breaches, they simply re-write the rules.No doubt there are still plenty of bandits operating, but the guys we use appear to follow the code of conduct and it's seen a huge improvement in random people parking in my tenants parking spaces.
Their code of conduct is "not legally enforceable", - I have that in writing in a witness statement that is being heard in court next week. However, the KADOE contract that allows the PPC to get keeper details relies on compliance with an ATA Code of Conduct - this was brought up in the Beavis Supreme Judgement..
The CoC is something that could be used to sanction rogue operators, however that would be biting the hand that feeds them - the IPC cartel take money from the parking companies in membership fees, and alsop charge them fees to handle appeals (almost without exception appeals are rejected), and also charge them legal fees to put a claim through the courts.
I have 7 tickets being heard together next week - one lead claim, and a further 6 that will be decided on the outcome of the first. These could have been put through as one claim, but Gladstones are milking their client for 7 separate claims.-and 7 fees to the claimant of £300 per claim.
If I lose, I would have to pay around £1400 (which my customer has underwritten)
If (When!) I win, then I pay nothing..
Regardless of the outcome, the parking operator will still pay Gladstones £2100.
Who is the real winner in this case?
The Mad Monk said:
Semantics.It's certainly predatory and has never been enforceable in front of a judge.
The Surveyor said:
Steve
Knowing your in-depth experience with these, is that sign enforceable?
I've personally never had one get as far as a hearing, but as that is a generic sign that VCS use at many locations. I know it has been successfully challenged as a defence point at a number of county court hearings by my fleet customers.Knowing your in-depth experience with these, is that sign enforceable?
I don't do IAS or POPLA appeals anymore, instead I put in all my defence points in as a first appeal to the operator. I've yet to find one of these go as far as a court claim - I'm pretty certain that it wouldn't look good for them to pursue a charge that far when a judge is likely to make the same call as I made in my initial appeal.
Steve, you clearly know far more than me about how these people operate, but from my point of view they provide a service that keeps my tenants happy which in turn stops them from moaning at me about not being able to park their cars.
When I first contacted my enforcement guys I assumed they would be there within 5 minutes putting up flimsy signs and ticketing everything in sight.
In actual fact I needed to provide proof that I was the landowner and I believe they then had to register the sites with somebody else (The IPC?), they then did a site visit and knocked on doors and leafleted every flat explaining they were taking on the parking management of each block. Signs were put up where required and permits issued to those people that were authorised to park.
I can't fault them so far, it's been circa 6 months.
When I first contacted my enforcement guys I assumed they would be there within 5 minutes putting up flimsy signs and ticketing everything in sight.
In actual fact I needed to provide proof that I was the landowner and I believe they then had to register the sites with somebody else (The IPC?), they then did a site visit and knocked on doors and leafleted every flat explaining they were taking on the parking management of each block. Signs were put up where required and permits issued to those people that were authorised to park.
I can't fault them so far, it's been circa 6 months.
S11Steve said:
kowalski655 said:
Thats always confused me...it's an airport,I'm sure there are a few planes above us as well!!! 
It's lyrics from "Imagine".SantaBarbara said:
I am sure you realise this, but "Above us only Sky" is a line from Imagine
A John Lennon song
I know A John Lennon song
Lovely song, and I guess "Above us only sky.... and planes, and some birds(& not forgetting the ISS)" wont fit on a sign Insert Coin said:
Steve, you clearly know far more than me about how these people operate, but from my point of view they provide a service that keeps my tenants happy which in turn stops them from moaning at me about not being able to park their cars.
When I first contacted my enforcement guys I assumed they would be there within 5 minutes putting up flimsy signs and ticketing everything in sight.
In actual fact I needed to provide proof that I was the landowner and I believe they then had to register the sites with somebody else (The IPC?), they then did a site visit and knocked on doors and leafleted every flat explaining they were taking on the parking management of each block. Signs were put up where required and permits issued to those people that were authorised to park.
I can't fault them so far, it's been circa 6 months.
Are you with Mike at CPS from Wolverhampton, or Danylo at DE in Derbyshire? They are the only ones that I know who are possibly that diligent. When I first contacted my enforcement guys I assumed they would be there within 5 minutes putting up flimsy signs and ticketing everything in sight.
In actual fact I needed to provide proof that I was the landowner and I believe they then had to register the sites with somebody else (The IPC?), they then did a site visit and knocked on doors and leafleted every flat explaining they were taking on the parking management of each block. Signs were put up where required and permits issued to those people that were authorised to park.
I can't fault them so far, it's been circa 6 months.
However, if any of your tenants have an AST that includes any mention of a parking space, then in the event that an unpaid ticket went to court, that AST would take primacy over any sign on the wall.
That said, both pick and choose which ones they take to court, and neither are likely to touch me now.
Edited by S11Steve on Thursday 24th August 18:02
kowalski655 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
LJL is going to be Liverpool John Lennon.
DRH is going to be Doncaster Sheffield Airport (used to be Robin Hood).
I love the slogan for Liverpool airport...
Thats always confused me...it's an airport,Im sure there are a few planes above us as well!!! DRH is going to be Doncaster Sheffield Airport (used to be Robin Hood).
I love the slogan for Liverpool airport...
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