Displaying 'Radiactive' hazmat stickers on a car
Discussion
otolith said:
Car on fire. Occupants trapped. Hazard symbols on car. Looks like they might be a joke, but do you want to make the call?
I'd think of another joke, or do it when you get there.
I'd think of another joke, or do it when you get there.
There have already been more than enough 'incidents' caused by apparent dangerous goods when actually innocent - even toys with trefoils have generated a response in the past.
I think the problem will be if you have an incident it will cause a call out of the Safety people and the area around you to be quarantined, they will never look at it and think its a joke.
I know a guy who was on one of these teams from our local nuclear power station who was forever being called out to incidents involving trefoil stickers ,they knew where false calls but they had to carry out the procedure.
Best to get some zombie ones as has been suggested.
I know a guy who was on one of these teams from our local nuclear power station who was forever being called out to incidents involving trefoil stickers ,they knew where false calls but they had to carry out the procedure.
Best to get some zombie ones as has been suggested.
lucido grigio said:
I always remind banger rally entrants of the "Tank Ford Galaxy" that the German Polizei confiscated and crushed.....apparently.
I just had to look that up. 
- http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x...The German TUV (the equivalent of our MOT) is harder to pass. I don't think the fake turret and gun met their standards.
There were other issues as well and the Brits didn't have the funds to get it repaired and tested.
I expect bits of it were recycled into a toaster
Red Devil said:
lucido grigio said:
I always remind banger rally entrants of the "Tank Ford Galaxy" that the German Polizei confiscated and crushed.....apparently.
I just had to look that up. - http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x...The German TUV (the equivalent of our MOT) is harder to pass. I don't think the fake turret and gun met their standards.
There were other issues as well and the Brits didn't have the funds to get it repaired and tested.
I expect bits of it were recycled into a toaster
The vehicle had passed an MOT over here before setting off to Europe.
I know we are laughing about it, but it raises a worrying point that a vehicle could be perfectly legal here and then potentially sized and confiscated in Germany. Let's say I was driving one of my classic Porsches through Germany and it got inspected by the Polizei after a traffic stop, there is a good chance it would suffer the same fate as the Ford Galaxy.
My final point is that the Galaxy incident simply demonstrates that the German police are totally and utterly devoid of humour.
Lord Marylebone said:
Red Devil said:
lucido grigio said:
I always remind banger rally entrants of the "Tank Ford Galaxy" that the German Polizei confiscated and crushed.....apparently.
I just had to look that up. - http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x...The German TUV (the equivalent of our MOT) is harder to pass. I don't think the fake turret and gun met their standards.
There were other issues as well and the Brits didn't have the funds to get it repaired and tested.
I expect bits of it were recycled into a toaster
The vehicle had passed an MOT over here before setting off to Europe.
I know we are laughing about it, but it raises a worrying point that a vehicle could be perfectly legal here and then potentially sized and confiscated in Germany. Let's say I was driving one of my classic Porsches through Germany and it got inspected by the Polizei after a traffic stop, there is a good chance it would suffer the same fate as the Ford Galaxy.
My final point is that the Galaxy incident simply demonstrates that the German police are totally and utterly devoid of humour.
German TÜV is extremely annoying from the little I know about it - basically nothing can be changed from standard - i.e. I can't even put perfectly TÜV compliant bucket seats into my car as it did not come with those from the factory (well, I can but have to do Einzelabnahme for each part, which is not cheap).
You are at risk of large fines for ADR/HAZCHEM breaches for displaying signs when not carrying dangerous goods .
You also face problems transiting certain areas and if its radioactive signs you would be banned from most tunnels .
Most police forces have little tolerance of rule breaches and you will.certainly draw the attention of the equivalent of VOSA/DVSA in whichever country you are in .
Much better to go with the Zombie theme .
You also face problems transiting certain areas and if its radioactive signs you would be banned from most tunnels .
Most police forces have little tolerance of rule breaches and you will.certainly draw the attention of the equivalent of VOSA/DVSA in whichever country you are in .
Much better to go with the Zombie theme .
robwilk said:
I think the problem will be if you have an incident it will cause a call out of the Safety people and the area around you to be quarantined, they will never look at it and think its a joke.
I know a guy who was on one of these teams from our local nuclear power station who was forever being called out to incidents involving trefoil stickers ,they knew where false calls but they had to carry out the procedure.
Best to get some zombie ones as has been suggested.
I remember when students in White lab coats descended on Rugby station. With Geiger counters a and equipment. They managed to convince the Station master close the stationI know a guy who was on one of these teams from our local nuclear power station who was forever being called out to incidents involving trefoil stickers ,they knew where false calls but they had to carry out the procedure.
Best to get some zombie ones as has been suggested.
38911 said:
Hi all, Am looking for some advice.
Is it legal for a car to display 'Radioactive' warning signs (like this http://www.uksafetysigns.co.uk/low_cost_prices/da2... ) on a vehicle that isn't actually carrying such material?
For context, it's an old car that is being prepared for a 'banger rally' across Europe for charity... it's got loads of silly sign writing on it, so it's fairly obvious that it's not really carrying hazmat.
Try it out in Paris, where armed Gendarmes may use the car for target practice probablyIs it legal for a car to display 'Radioactive' warning signs (like this http://www.uksafetysigns.co.uk/low_cost_prices/da2... ) on a vehicle that isn't actually carrying such material?
For context, it's an old car that is being prepared for a 'banger rally' across Europe for charity... it's got loads of silly sign writing on it, so it's fairly obvious that it's not really carrying hazmat.
You have to comply with the relevant legislation within the country you are in, unless you are on an international journey & are fully compliant with ADR. If you aren't fully compliant with ADR, the relevant legislation within the country you are in would be used to prosecute you for any offences where appropriate.
I know you are after a definitive answer - but to be honest the above is as close as you will get.
The reason? As stated there is a reason for people displaying the warnings and, while in this country the Police - athough probably less so border agencies / tunnel operatives / ferry companies will 'get' what you are trying to achieve and probably appreciate the humour - it just wont wash abroad.
From experience cars 'rallying' in such a fashion - no matter how well intended are seemingly not massively well recieved overseas (not vindictively so though) and you will be the subject of scrutiny - and likely as not you WILL have some as youll stand out like a sore thumb. The Caribinieri were a nause for this if I recall - and unless you speak every foreign language you are likely to need, trying to communicate what you are trying to do will be nigh on impossible.
If you do what you seek to achieve you may well meet every single gendarme or other officer that is a fan of the walking dead and appreciates your fallout wagon. However, it will only take one border agent or one Policeman to angrily demand they be removed or find some legislation to fine you or worse.
There will be many laws - through many countries in which you pass - I dont know you can be confident in being completely compliant with the law in all by displaying faux signage. Even if you were, I dont know what the Swiss (or whatever) is for "Im sorry officer you are mistaken - I can lawfully have these insignia and it in no way contravenes section x of the y act 1901"
I understand the ethos of your rally project - but no one on ours (30 cars or so) had anything similar and we were STILL turned over a fair bit (searches at customs - stop checks etc) fair enough - but if there is a clear cut offence there by displaying them you wont talk your way out of it. The halfway house is to write NUCLEAR POWAAAA !!!!!!!1111ONE on the back in yellow - but - steer clear of anything looking like official signage
The reason? As stated there is a reason for people displaying the warnings and, while in this country the Police - athough probably less so border agencies / tunnel operatives / ferry companies will 'get' what you are trying to achieve and probably appreciate the humour - it just wont wash abroad.
From experience cars 'rallying' in such a fashion - no matter how well intended are seemingly not massively well recieved overseas (not vindictively so though) and you will be the subject of scrutiny - and likely as not you WILL have some as youll stand out like a sore thumb. The Caribinieri were a nause for this if I recall - and unless you speak every foreign language you are likely to need, trying to communicate what you are trying to do will be nigh on impossible.
If you do what you seek to achieve you may well meet every single gendarme or other officer that is a fan of the walking dead and appreciates your fallout wagon. However, it will only take one border agent or one Policeman to angrily demand they be removed or find some legislation to fine you or worse.
There will be many laws - through many countries in which you pass - I dont know you can be confident in being completely compliant with the law in all by displaying faux signage. Even if you were, I dont know what the Swiss (or whatever) is for "Im sorry officer you are mistaken - I can lawfully have these insignia and it in no way contravenes section x of the y act 1901"
I understand the ethos of your rally project - but no one on ours (30 cars or so) had anything similar and we were STILL turned over a fair bit (searches at customs - stop checks etc) fair enough - but if there is a clear cut offence there by displaying them you wont talk your way out of it. The halfway house is to write NUCLEAR POWAAAA !!!!!!!1111ONE on the back in yellow - but - steer clear of anything looking like official signage
Edited by paolow on Sunday 27th August 19:50
Lord Marylebone said:
Red Devil said:
lucido grigio said:
I always remind banger rally entrants of the "Tank Ford Galaxy" that the German Polizei confiscated and crushed.....apparently.
I just had to look that up. - http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x...The German TUV (the equivalent of our MOT) is harder to pass. I don't think the fake turret and gun met their standards.
There were other issues as well and the Brits didn't have the funds to get it repaired and tested.
I expect bits of it were recycled into a toaster
after that bit of my post. That contraption was clearly what generated the interest of the Polizei in the first place.Lord Marylebone said:
My final point is that the Galaxy incident simply demonstrates that the German police are totally and utterly devoid of humour.
Quite.MDL111 said:
German TÜV is extremely annoying from the little I know about it - basically nothing can be changed from standard - i.e. I can't even put perfectly TÜV compliant bucket seats into my car as it did not come with those from the factory (well, I can but have to do Einzelabnahme for each part, which is not cheap).
You profile says Country: UK. If you're in Germany as a non resident and driving a UK registered car it doesn't require a Hauptuntersuchung. The UK MOT Certificate is sufficient. However, the police have the right to satisfy themselves that the car is safe. So for any modifications you may need to be in a position to demonstrate that they use quality approved parts. If your seats have been TÜV certified* I doubt you would get into trouble. Obviously it helps if you don't draw the attention of the Polizei in the first place.* Recaro, for example, go one step better: their seats have general type approval (ABE) for the entire system (seat + baseframe).
I worked in the management of an inspection company, 20 odd years ago, we would move radioactive inspection isotopes around in vans. as I was informed, the law was the vans had to labeled/signed and the driver had to be trained to contain the isotope of there was n accident. which was basically to throw lead over it, so we had sheets of lead on board like you see the radiologist apron made out of when you had an xray. I also understood that it was illegal to display the sign if the isotope was not onboard, we never bothered with that just had the vans sign painted. Great things to drive you were never tailgated on the motorway.
Berw said:
I worked in the management of an inspection company, 20 odd years ago, we would move radioactive inspection isotopes around in vans. as I was informed, the law was the vans had to labeled/signed and the driver had to be trained to contain the isotope of there was n accident. which was basically to throw lead over it, so we had sheets of lead on board like you see the radiologist apron made out of when you had an xray. I also understood that it was illegal to display the sign if the isotope was not onboard, we never bothered with that just had the vans sign painted. Great things to drive you were never tailgated on the motorway.
The sentiment being that while funny for the passengers, anything that looks like a warning sign, even a false one, would likely trigger an over reaction from the authorities, even allowing for language barriers.OP, you are trying to have some fun; please do but find a different way, it will make your journey easier!
Berw said:
I worked in the management of an inspection company, 20 odd years ago, we would move radioactive inspection isotopes around in vans. as I was informed, the law was the vans had to labeled/signed and the driver had to be trained to contain the isotope of there was n accident. which was basically to throw lead over it, so we had sheets of lead on board like you see the radiologist apron made out of when you had an xray. I also understood that it was illegal to display the sign if the isotope was not onboard, we never bothered with that just had the vans sign painted. Great things to drive you were never tailgated on the motorway.
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