Crash - Insurance Unaware Of Engine Swap - Consequences
Discussion
Kewy said:
This thread = 
Always surprises me the amount of blood thirsty posters waiting for the worst to happen. I'm sure you guys have never put a foot wrong or made a bad decision in your life…
Hope said friend makes a full recovery.
I'd agree if he just stacked the car, but the primary point here is him doing a major performance modification without declaring it.Always surprises me the amount of blood thirsty posters waiting for the worst to happen. I'm sure you guys have never put a foot wrong or made a bad decision in your life…
Hope said friend makes a full recovery.
That's not an "ah well, happens to the best of us" thing.
k'S SAKE, WILL NO-ONE CONSIDER THE TYRES?!?!?TwigtheWonderkid said:
Plenty, but when does that argument become invalid. I mean, you could say that about Ian Huntley.."yeah, so he killed those 2 girls, but have you never made a mistake?"
Yeah.......Child murderer isn't quite on the same level of mistake as swapping an engine and hoping it'll never be noticed.
We've all made silly mistakes (hopefully not murdering people) - I'm sure if it's noticed he'll be suitably punished.
EDIT - RE-READ YOUR POST. I'LL ORDER MY WHOOSH PARROT NOW.
Edited by Stu08 on Tuesday 12th September 15:32
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Just because I once bought brown bread when the wife asked me to get white, does not mean I cannot criticise Pol Pot.
I suppose it depends what you're critising Pol Pot for. If it's just for buying the wrong kind of bread I don't suppose you'd be on very solid moral ground!
Bradley1500 said:
gareth_r said:
Toyota used the same front brakes on every rear wheel drive car they made in the '90s.
Altezza/IS200/IS300
GS300/Aristo (including the twin turbo)
Soarer TT/active suspension V8 (smaller brakes on the other V8s)
LS400
Supra/Supra TT
That's quite a range of weight and power.
No they didn't...Altezza/IS200/IS300
GS300/Aristo (including the twin turbo)
Soarer TT/active suspension V8 (smaller brakes on the other V8s)
LS400
Supra/Supra TT
That's quite a range of weight and power.
Off topic, I know, but, just for my future reference, which one(s) did I get wrong?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
There are degrees of mistake. Just because I once bought brown bread when the wife asked me to get white, does not mean I cannot criticise Pol Pot.
You could have chosen a more contemporary totalitarian despot from the Far East... Pol Pot has been dead for nearly 20 years! 
Kewy said:
This thread =
Always surprises me the amount of blood thirsty posters waiting for the worst to happen. I'm sure you guys have never put a foot wrong or made a bad decision in your life…
Hope said friend makes a full recovery.
Engine swapping from 1.8 4 pot to 3.0 6 pot without informing the insurance is a dick move. Always surprises me the amount of blood thirsty posters waiting for the worst to happen. I'm sure you guys have never put a foot wrong or made a bad decision in your life…
Hope said friend makes a full recovery.
No telling off needed as the OP is going to a bottom like a clowns pocket when the brown stuff hits the fan!
surveyor_101 said:
Engine swapping from 1.8 4 pot to 3.0 6 pot without informing the insurance is a dick move.
No telling off needed as the OP is going to a bottom like a clowns pocket when the brown stuff hits the fan!
It wont be as its not me that had the accident unless I'm using voice to skull from my hospital bed whilst in a coma but thanks for your input No telling off needed as the OP is going to a bottom like a clowns pocket when the brown stuff hits the fan!
gareth_r said:
orry, my memory must have failed me.
Off topic, I know, but, just for my future reference, which one(s) did I get wrong?
Most of them, sortof. There are two different sets of brakes on all of those cars.Off topic, I know, but, just for my future reference, which one(s) did I get wrong?
The 2 and 3 litre non turbo cars all* have the smaller ones with two piston sliding calipers
the 3 litre turbo and most of the v8s have the bigger brakes with the 4 piston calipers
- well, nearly, the non turbo supra at least was available with both depending on which model exactly it was and when it was made
ETA: On the original subject of the thread, I once crashed a Triumph Dolomite that'd had the engine (and everything else) changed for the bigger faster better bits out of a Sprint, the paperwork the insurance company had provided the chap they sent to look at it failed to mention this and he had a rather worried look on his face until I dug out my copy of the certificate with it all declared on.
Some of them know exactly what they are looking at.
Incidentally, that's a car that does have the same front brakes across the entire range, whether it's a 1300 or a 16v 2 litre.
Never did tell the DVLA I'd swapped the engine but you'd be daft not to tell your insurer.
Edited by zombeh on Wednesday 13th September 16:12
hairyben said:
Theres an order of magnitude of difference there though. Your's is within a range, his was mundane to fairly high performance.
A 318 has around 117-148hp depending on year - a 330 has 228hp - a fair increase, but not exactly high performance, especially with modern hot hatches touching 300hp...Figures from wikipedia:
TooMany2cvs said:
Given that he wrapped his car around the scenery (which is very unlikely to have been undamaged) well enough to do himself serious injury (probably requiring cutting him out) in a single-vehicle incident, I think it's fairly safe to say that threshold got well and truly met.
Given that none of us know what happened, I think it's fairly safe to say it's too early to tell! Mechanical, pothole, mud/diesel on the road, luck??? Why not wait before we hang him eh? 
hijimhere said:
No insurance is an automatic disqualification.
Not bad for a first post, but completely wrong! 
If they do you at roadside, it's 6 points + £300 fine. If it goes to court (which is the likely option in this case), it's 6-8 points plus a means tested fine or a ban...
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item...
Edited by Jim1556 on Wednesday 13th September 18:34
KevinCamaroSS said:
C70R said:
Your deliberate obtuseness is not helping the conversation. To clarify something, can I please have your opinion on two scenarios, and you can tell me which is more dangerous (from the perspective of braking efficiency/power):
Scenario 1: E46 318i with four occupants (4x 75kg) and 30kg of luggage. Total weight: 1690kg (1360kg + 330kg)
Scenario 2: E46 318i with E46 330i engine: Total weight: 1505kg (stated weight of 330i)
If 318i brakes are specified to deal with Scenario 1 within their tolerances, they are fine to deal with Scenario 2.
Now who is being obtuse?Scenario 1: E46 318i with four occupants (4x 75kg) and 30kg of luggage. Total weight: 1690kg (1360kg + 330kg)
Scenario 2: E46 318i with E46 330i engine: Total weight: 1505kg (stated weight of 330i)
If 318i brakes are specified to deal with Scenario 1 within their tolerances, they are fine to deal with Scenario 2.
Scenario 2 should be E46 318i with E46 engine with four occupants and 30kg luggage, total weight 1835kg (1505kg + 330kg)
In my book 1835 is a fair bit more than 1690.
30mph-0 will be about the same with either engine (more variable based on condition of the brake system that weight) but when braking for a corner at the end of a 500m straight, the car with the bigger engine will most likely arrive at a higher velocity (why bother swapping the engine) meaning the brakes will have to work harder to stop the greater momentum (or in the real world, take longer to slow the car).
However, I suspect that the moron in question here suffered from a lack of driving ability that even better brakes couldn't have saved him from.
Apologies if this has been covered in subsequent replies.
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