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dave7108

Original Poster:

188 posts

153 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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How long do the police keep fingerprints?

My nephew is worried about a job interview, he was caught for shoplifting an item in 2010 from a supermarket. That was his only offence. His job involves working in schools so requires a DBS/CRB check, would this show up and is he obliged to tell employer. I might add he has greatly turned his life around and I wouldnt want this to damage his chances of getting a job.

Advice appreciated. Thanks.

GrumpyTwig

3,354 posts

156 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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dave7108 said:
How long do the police keep fingerprints?

My nephew is worried about a job interview, he was caught for shoplifting an item in 2010 from a supermarket. That was his only offence. His job involves working in schools so requires a DBS/CRB check, would this show up and is he obliged to tell employer. I might add he has greatly turned his life around and I wouldnt want this to damage his chances of getting a job.

Advice appreciated. Thanks.
It's a school, their main concern is that he's not into taking pictures of kids or keeping them in his basement and doesn't get "a bit punchy" when wound up.

Shouldn't worry about it, it's easy to say but another thing convincing him.

However what did they do with him? Police caution?

CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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It's not that simple, you have to declare if you have a criminal record (& cautions). So you can't lie on the basis that the fingerprints might not show up - you (he) has to be truthful.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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He needs to get to grips with the rehabilitation of offenders act.
He simply doesn't have to declare it unless the job fits a defined set of criteria.


anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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CoolHands said:
It's not that simple, you have to declare if you have a criminal record (& cautions). So you can't lie on the basis that the fingerprints might not show up - you (he) has to be truthful.
You really don't have to declare if it's spent and the job doesn't require it.

dave7108

Original Poster:

188 posts

153 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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As he received a fine back in 2010, am I right in thinking this would now be spent and fingerprints & DNA destroyed (im looking at rehabilitation of offenders act right now)

CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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desolate said:
You really don't have to declare if it's spent and the job doesn't require it.
working in a school requires an enhanced check.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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dave7108 said:
As he received a fine back in 2010, am I right in thinking this would now be spent and fingerprints & DNA destroyed (im looking at rehabilitation of offenders act right now)
It's definitely spent but the disclosure will depend on the job.

If it requires an enhanced disclosure he has to disclose and then it's up to them to decide.

dave7108

Original Poster:

188 posts

153 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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Are they obliged to destroy DNA /Fingerprint evidence?

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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dave7108 said:
Are they obliged to destroy DNA /Fingerprint evidence?
I don't think so, but I am not sure.

"
May 2015

The Supreme Court hands down judgment in Gaughran v Chief Constable of Northern Ireland, holding that, notwithstanding the judgment in S & Marper, it is lawful for the police to retain indefinitely the DNA profile of anyone convicted of a recordable offence.
"

This could be out of date.

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,910 posts

215 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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Tell him to be totally upfront and honest about the conviction, and have a little write-up or story ready about the offence. By that I mean, explain briefly the circumstances about why he did it (for fun, was stressed, peer pressure etc.) how he can see that it was wrong, how he's considered the impact that it had on him, his family and society, how it's shaped him as an adult, and that he has learned from it.

Places which require enhanced CRB checks are not on a witchhunt to dig up all your past and villify or make you feel guilty about it. What they ARE looking for though is total transparency and recognition of your mistake, and most importantly, what you've learned from it in a reflective way. They understand that we're all human and sometimes unfavourable things happen.

I have two reasonably tasty convictions regarding theft from the 1990's which show up on my CRB check. However by being honest about them and explaining what happened, in the way I've described above, meant that I was still able to do a medical degree at University, get a job as a frontline NHS Paramedic, and also get professional registration as a practicing clinician.

They can't unfairly discount a job application on convictions (well, low-ish level stuff anyway) and as has also been said above, theft type offences are not a huge deal, it's more social offences and especially ones involving violence which may be a little tricky.

Finally, if he tries to hide or be untruthful about ANYTHING and it comes out later, he's dead.

Hope this helps, let us know how he gets on thumbup



OldGermanHeaps

3,801 posts

177 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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My old line manager went for an it job at a school when the place we worked was closing, and his crb flagged up a conviction for robbing fruit machines when he was 21. He explained it was a one off and he had never been in any trouble since and he misunderstood about having to declare it as he thought it was spent, but they did the enhanced check. He got the job.

Pica-Pica

13,621 posts

83 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Tell him to be totally upfront and honest about the conviction, and have a little write-up or story ready about the offence. By that I mean, explain briefly the circumstances about why he did it (for fun, was stressed, peer pressure etc.) how he can see that it was wrong, how he's considered the impact that it had on him, his family and society, how it's shaped him as an adult, and that he has learned from it.

Places which require enhanced CRB checks are not on a witchhunt to dig up all your past and villify or make you feel guilty about it. What they ARE looking for though is total transparency and recognition of your mistake, and most importantly, what you've learned from it in a reflective way. They understand that we're all human and sometimes unfavourable things happen.

I have two reasonably tasty convictions regarding theft from the 1990's which show up on my CRB check. However by being honest about them and explaining what happened, in the way I've described above, meant that I was still able to do a medical degree at University, get a job as a frontline NHS Paramedic, and also get professional registration as a practicing clinician.

They can't unfairly discount a job application on convictions (well, low-ish level stuff anyway) and as has also been said above, theft type offences are not a huge deal, it's more social offences and especially ones involving violence which may be a little tricky.

Finally, if he tries to hide or be untruthful about ANYTHING and it comes out later, he's dead.

Hope this helps, let us know how he gets on thumbup
There is no CRB check it is DBS now!

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,910 posts

215 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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Pica-Pica said:
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Tell him to be totally upfront and honest about the conviction, and have a little write-up or story ready about the offence. By that I mean, explain briefly the circumstances about why he did it (for fun, was stressed, peer pressure etc.) how he can see that it was wrong, how he's considered the impact that it had on him, his family and society, how it's shaped him as an adult, and that he has learned from it.

Places which require enhanced CRB checks are not on a witchhunt to dig up all your past and villify or make you feel guilty about it. What they ARE looking for though is total transparency and recognition of your mistake, and most importantly, what you've learned from it in a reflective way. They understand that we're all human and sometimes unfavourable things happen.

I have two reasonably tasty convictions regarding theft from the 1990's which show up on my CRB check. However by being honest about them and explaining what happened, in the way I've described above, meant that I was still able to do a medical degree at University, get a job as a frontline NHS Paramedic, and also get professional registration as a practicing clinician.

They can't unfairly discount a job application on convictions (well, low-ish level stuff anyway) and as has also been said above, theft type offences are not a huge deal, it's more social offences and especially ones involving violence which may be a little tricky.

Finally, if he tries to hide or be untruthful about ANYTHING and it comes out later, he's dead.

Hope this helps, let us know how he gets on thumbup
There is no CRB check it is DBS now!
Or whatever it is now!

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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Pica-Pica said:
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Tell him to be totally upfront and honest about the conviction, and have a little write-up or story ready about the offence. By that I mean, explain briefly the circumstances about why he did it (for fun, was stressed, peer pressure etc.) how he can see that it was wrong, how he's considered the impact that it had on him, his family and society, how it's shaped him as an adult, and that he has learned from it.

Places which require enhanced CRB checks are not on a witchhunt to dig up all your past and villify or make you feel guilty about it. What they ARE looking for though is total transparency and recognition of your mistake, and most importantly, what you've learned from it in a reflective way. They understand that we're all human and sometimes unfavourable things happen.

I have two reasonably tasty convictions regarding theft from the 1990's which show up on my CRB check. However by being honest about them and explaining what happened, in the way I've described above, meant that I was still able to do a medical degree at University, get a job as a frontline NHS Paramedic, and also get professional registration as a practicing clinician.

They can't unfairly discount a job application on convictions (well, low-ish level stuff anyway) and as has also been said above, theft type offences are not a huge deal, it's more social offences and especially ones involving violence which may be a little tricky.

Finally, if he tries to hide or be untruthful about ANYTHING and it comes out later, he's dead.

Hope this helps, let us know how he gets on thumbup
There is no CRB check it is DBS now!
Could there possibly be a more useless post than this?

tumble dryer

1,996 posts

126 months

Sunday 10th September 2017
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Gavia said:
Pica-Pica said:
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Tell him to be totally upfront and honest about the conviction, and have a little write-up or story ready about the offence. By that I mean, explain briefly the circumstances about why he did it (for fun, was stressed, peer pressure etc.) how he can see that it was wrong, how he's considered the impact that it had on him, his family and society, how it's shaped him as an adult, and that he has learned from it.

Places which require enhanced CRB checks are not on a witchhunt to dig up all your past and villify or make you feel guilty about it. What they ARE looking for though is total transparency and recognition of your mistake, and most importantly, what you've learned from it in a reflective way. They understand that we're all human and sometimes unfavourable things happen.

I have two reasonably tasty convictions regarding theft from the 1990's which show up on my CRB check. However by being honest about them and explaining what happened, in the way I've described above, meant that I was still able to do a medical degree at University, get a job as a frontline NHS Paramedic, and also get professional registration as a practicing clinician.

They can't unfairly discount a job application on convictions (well, low-ish level stuff anyway) and as has also been said above, theft type offences are not a huge deal, it's more social offences and especially ones involving violence which may be a little tricky.

Finally, if he tries to hide or be untruthful about ANYTHING and it comes out later, he's dead.

Hope this helps, let us know how he gets on thumbup
There is no CRB check it is DBS now!
Could there possibly be a more useless post than this?
Mine?

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mjb1

2,552 posts

158 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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Was he charged or just cautioned? Was he under or over 18 at the time of the offence. Cautions are 'filtered' after 6 years (over 18), 2 years for under 18's, convictions filtered after 11 years (over 18), 5.5 years for under 18. So, if he was over 18 at the time, and convicted, then it'll be visible on DBS check until 2021.

This details it: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/dbs-fil...

As an aside, I thought they kept DNA and fingerprints on record indefinitely, regardless or being charged or not? I seem to recall someone unsuccessfully tried to fight for their DNA to be removed from the database a while ago.

Bigends

5,412 posts

127 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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Prints are kept indefinitely and aren't destroyed under any time limits

MrJingles705

409 posts

142 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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dave7108 said:
How long do the police keep fingerprints?

My nephew is worried about a job interview, he was caught for shoplifting an item in 2010 from a supermarket. That was his only offence. His job involves working in schools so requires a DBS/CRB check, would this show up and is he obliged to tell employer. I might add he has greatly turned his life around and I wouldnt want this to damage his chances of getting a job.

Advice appreciated. Thanks.
Declare it - I was in a similar situation (minor vandalism, stupid teenager stuff I regret now) and had to go through this twice (once for SGC, again for SC).Trying to hide it will go badly, declare it and talk to it and you'll find you have no problems.

Pica-Pica

13,621 posts

83 months

Monday 11th September 2017
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Gavia said:
Pica-Pica said:
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Tell him to be totally upfront and honest about the conviction, and have a little write-up or story ready about the offence. By that I mean, explain briefly the circumstances about why he did it (for fun, was stressed, peer pressure etc.) how he can see that it was wrong, how he's considered the impact that it had on him, his family and society, how it's shaped him as an adult, and that he has learned from it.

Places which require enhanced CRB checks are not on a witchhunt to dig up all your past and villify or make you feel guilty about it. What they ARE looking for though is total transparency and recognition of your mistake, and most importantly, what you've learned from it in a reflective way. They understand that we're all human and sometimes unfavourable things happen.

I have two reasonably tasty convictions regarding theft from the 1990's which show up on my CRB check. However by being honest about them and explaining what happened, in the way I've described above, meant that I was still able to do a medical degree at University, get a job as a frontline NHS Paramedic, and also get professional registration as a practicing clinician.

They can't unfairly discount a job application on convictions (well, low-ish level stuff anyway) and as has also been said above, theft type offences are not a huge deal, it's more social offences and especially ones involving violence which may be a little tricky.

Finally, if he tries to hide or be untruthful about ANYTHING and it comes out later, he's dead.

Hope this helps, let us know how he gets on thumbup
There is no CRB check it is DBS now!
Could there possibly be a more useless post than this?
The point is, someone offers a whole post of advice but still refers to CRB. So that advice is certainly dated!