Ebay changes to user agreement from 22/10/17.

[anonymous-user]

elanfan said:

Fore left said:
eBay haven't owned Paypal since 2015

They spun PayPal off as a separate company doubtless because it was more profitable to do so or there were tax benefits. I wonder who the major shareholders are?

I would probably check that Sir, all the directors are different between ebay and paypal.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 22 September 09:56

[Busterbulldog]

If you sell using the fixed price classified advert , are you allowed to put a phone number ? Rather daft if it's not allowed. They get the ad fee regardless.

[helmutlaang]

It's their own fault for not charging listing fees on many things and relying on final value fees instead.
I recently sold a mountain bike. Was free to list with fixed price or best offer.got into a conversation with the buyer who rightly wanted to see it before spunking £500 on a second hand bike. He brought cash,we struck a deal,job done. That's how people sell things. I'd have been happy to pay £10-15 to list it with no final fees.
And yes they sent me a snotty e-mail threatening me with all sorts of sanctions. I filed it in the recycle bin.

[andburg]

if only they had a mechanism for sellers to advertise items with a fixed price and accept offers.

[petergeeky]

There is another alternative - eBid - lower fees and a much more "amateur" feel which I think would suit private sellers better. You can even pay a one-off fee of £49.99 and sell unlimited quantities without fees for life! Not sure how successful it is, they claim that thousands are joining. I've never tried selling on there although I've bought a few times without any issues.

[rfisher]

I'm now offering 'cashback' for items sold through Ebay but paid by cash on collection.

Let's see what they make of that.

[justinio]

andburg said:

if only they had a mechanism for sellers to advertise items with a fixed price and accept offers.

Exactly. I think I'll email them my idea and offer to sell it to them.

I shall call it:

But it right Now and Make me an Offer.

[InitialDave]

The same rules seem to apply for Buy It Now listings.

[AlexRS2782]

InitialDave said:

The same rules seem to apply for Buy It Now listings.

Yep, the new rules apply to all eBay listing styles with the only exception being eBay Motors classified adverts as you pay the fee up front.

Busterbulldog said:

If you sell using the fixed price classified advert are you allowed to put a phone number? Rather daft if it's not allowed. They get the ad fee regardless.

As above, the Motors classifieds aren't affected as you pay up front so no problem with phone numbers in that instance.

I think this is essentially eBay now slowly phasing out private sellers and starting their migration to a predominantly business sellers only / Amazon style marketplace which they have said before they've wanted to do and also run the Motors classifieds as a separate entity. I thought that was one of the reasons given for their buyout of Gumtree too? By changing the fees, etc, you slowly start phasing out the private buyers who don't accept the new terms but in the meantime still make £££ off those private sellers who don't notice / don't care about the changes?

[Peanut130]

before buying a car i like to have a look at it first to see what its worth with my own eyes before bidding

[Durzel]

helmutlaang said:

It's their own fault for not charging listing fees on many things and relying on final value fees instead.
I recently sold a mountain bike. Was free to list with fixed price or best offer.got into a conversation with the buyer who rightly wanted to see it before spunking £500 on a second hand bike. He brought cash,we struck a deal,job done. That's how people sell things. I'd have been happy to pay £10-15 to list it with no final fees.
And yes they sent me a snotty e-mail threatening me with all sorts of sanctions. I filed it in the recycle bin.

That's the problem with 10% final value fees really. I pretty much don't list anything until they do those periodical "Maximum £1 Final Value Fee" promos.

Who is going to be happy selling a £500 mountain bike, accepting PayPal (which you have no choice about), and lose at least £50, probably more like £55 once you count PayPal, in fees? It's completely disproportionate.

[justinio]

Peanut130 said:

before buying a car i like to have a look at it first to see what its worth with my own eyes before bidding

You still can. Just make sure you go through eBay when contacting the seller.

eBay were just getting fed up with people using their services to advertise a product, selling it, and then pretending the item isnt for sale anymore to avoid paying the eBay fees.

eBay have only got themselves to blame for it all though. They really do take the piss with their fees.

[Sa Calobra]

Vaud said:

And Facebook marketplace. They have the app, location details and a massive amount of user data.

I give ebay 18-24 months before being bought, or else dying quietly.

Didn't know that cheers. Weirdly a zero feedback 'winner' of my auction asked for my phone number recently after I sent him a payment reminder, I gave it him. Silence for 2 weeks then he asked me again but by that time I'd requested a credit and resold. I wonder if my phone number was automatically blocked.

I like eBay up to the point where it requires PayPal for every auction including collection. At this point I lose all love and understanding for their 'buyer protection' reasons.

So I get stung three times in theory; sale fee, papypal fee, transfer to bank account fee.

[InitialDave]

justinio said:

You still can. Just make sure you go through eBay when contacting the seller.

eBay were just getting fed up with people using their services to advertise a product, selling it, and then pretending the item isnt for sale anymore to avoid paying the eBay fees.

Careful, the rules say:

Ebay said:

Some examples of activities that aren't allowed include:
-Using member contact information obtained from eBay or using any eBay system to offer to sell any listed item outside of eBay
-Posting or displaying contact information in a listing, including email, phone number, and mailing address, without the permission of eBay or except as required by law
-Canceling a listing to sell to a buyer who found the item on eBay
-Ending an auction-style listing early to sell the item to the winning bidder a price higher than the current bid
-Including, requesting, offering, or referencing contact information or an offer to buy or sell an item outside of eBay within a Best Offer, email message, or other communication with an eBay user

So giving your address for someone to come and have a look at it could fall foul of the rules. Your defence would be that you were giving them it to just come and look, not to buy, and could back that up by saying "You can come and look if you want, but you've got to buy it through Ebay if you want it".

Unfortunately, people are fking stupid, and will just ignore this and turn up with cash.

Sa Calobra said:

I wonder if my phone number was automatically blocked.

Yes, they do that.

[wack]

sospan said:

One big hole in the system, though, is claims of goods not being delivered. They do arrive but buyer denies receipt unless a signed for delivery or subsequent proof from courier. Even proof of posting for Royal Mail is insufficient. ebay tend to side with the buyer!
I had one call with cast iron evidence of fraud by a buyer involving this scam. ebay ignored the evidence and refunded £1000+ to buyer when they had even claimed a discount for late delivery worded as having received it! ebay too lazy to investigate it properly.
From what I remember it was resolved after a Police/Action Fraud investigation with seller getting the result.

I only send anything using ebay shutl now via either hermes or UPS as ebay accept as delivered even without a signature, sent 2 items to a guy, said he hadn't received them , demanded a refund directly from me so I directed him to ebay to open an item not received case, didn't hear anything more from him as hermes had declared it delivered which ebay accepted

[GCH]

Sa Calobra said:

I like eBay up to the point where it requires PayPal for every auction including collection. At this point I lose all love and understanding for their 'buyer protection' reasons.

So I get stung three times in theory; sale fee, papypal fee, transfer to bank account fee.

You are allowed to refuse to accept paypal for collection items, and you are allowed to state this in the listing - 'please contact me for payment methods on collection' or something like that is the phrase you are permitted to use.

And why are you getting fees for transferring to your bank from paypal? I thought they were eliminated years ago... I certainly don't get charged transferring to my UK or US bank account.

[Wait Here Until Green Light Shows]

Fish said:

I got told off for trying to give a phone number out. How else was I to arrange a viewing where I wanted to hear what the guy was like rather than faceless emails..

Write your number on a piece of paper and take a photo, attach photo to message.