Son stopped 44 in a 30, already has 3 points, licence 2 yrs
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Tony33 said:
A lot taking the moral highground. At age 30 or so I got 3 points for 44 in a 30 on my 125 motorbike. I came home from work, fitted a new chain, rode out of my road to check it was ok, turned left, turned left and got caught in a speed trap outside a school in school holidays. Big wide road, no traffic, no pedestrians, no junctions, the only hazard was a copper hiding behind the hedge with a radar gun!
No defense of course but it happens, I know countless non piston head kind of drivers who all have points, even the slowest of slowpokes.
Agreed, in some circumstances I feel for people but dodging the course as it's inconvenient is the main overriding error of judgement here. Hell I'd do one now sitting here with my clean license and I'm only at threat of a ban if I obtain 12points!?No defense of course but it happens, I know countless non piston head kind of drivers who all have points, even the slowest of slowpokes.
Absolutely everyone posting in this thread is at risk of picking up a 'hiding in the bush by the 40-30mph limit change' 3 points over say the next week, so to be on 3 points as an early driver must be a very nervy time and so to not avoid that by taking the course was foolish.
surveyor_101 said:
they are fairly zero tolerance on 2 year under licence holders.
It's been a few years (18, actually), but a good friend managed to avoid a revocation in almost exactly these circumstances. He, like the OP's son, was a complete wally who took his licence for granted.Two 3pt offences in a short space of time (in the days before SACs) were mitigated by the need to have his car for education and (IIRC) representation by his solicitor brother.
ETA - Without sounding like a sanctimonious tw@, I got caught at 86mph on a deserted DC a few months outside of my 2yr window. I haven't had a single point since, in spite of driving much faster cars (I was caught in a 50bhp Golf).
Edited by C70R on Monday 25th September 13:38
C70R said:
It's been a few years (18, actually), but a good friend managed to avoid a revocation in almost exactly these circumstances. He, like the OP's son, was a complete wally who took his licence for granted.
Two 3pt offences in a short space of time (in the days before SACs) were mitigated by the need to have his car for education and (IIRC) representation by his solicitor brother.
ETA - Without sounding like a sanctimonious tw@, I got caught at 86mph on a deserted DC a few months outside of my 2yr window. I haven't had a single point since, in spite of driving much faster cars (I was caught in a 50bhp Golf).
Its depends normally exceptional hardship is to another not the driver.Two 3pt offences in a short space of time (in the days before SACs) were mitigated by the need to have his car for education and (IIRC) representation by his solicitor brother.
ETA - Without sounding like a sanctimonious tw@, I got caught at 86mph on a deserted DC a few months outside of my 2yr window. I haven't had a single point since, in spite of driving much faster cars (I was caught in a 50bhp Golf).
Edited by C70R on Monday 25th September 13:38
If you can get a brief for free or pay £250 for the court trip then you can try it.
I have managed to plead exceptional hardship and avoid a totting up ban but others would of been affected not just me.
Its not like buying a toaster there are no guarantees.
C70R said:
surveyor_101 said:
they are fairly zero tolerance on 2 year under licence holders.
It's been a few years (18, actually), but a good friend managed to avoid a revocation in almost exactly these circumstances. He, like the OP's son, was a complete wally who took his licence for granted.Two 3pt offences in a short space of time (in the days before SACs) were mitigated by the need to have his car for education and (IIRC) representation by his solicitor brother.
ETA - Without sounding like a sanctimonious tw@, I got caught at 86mph on a deserted DC a few months outside of my 2yr window. I haven't had a single point since, in spite of driving much faster cars (I was caught in a 50bhp Golf).
Edited by C70R on Monday 25th September 13:38
I thought there was no discretion allowing under the 'new drivers' act, so presumably he managed to convince the court to let him off completely?
If he got to 6 points he would be banned, no ifs or buts.
PorkInsider said:
C70R said:
surveyor_101 said:
they are fairly zero tolerance on 2 year under licence holders.
It's been a few years (18, actually), but a good friend managed to avoid a revocation in almost exactly these circumstances. He, like the OP's son, was a complete wally who took his licence for granted.Two 3pt offences in a short space of time (in the days before SACs) were mitigated by the need to have his car for education and (IIRC) representation by his solicitor brother.
ETA - Without sounding like a sanctimonious tw@, I got caught at 86mph on a deserted DC a few months outside of my 2yr window. I haven't had a single point since, in spite of driving much faster cars (I was caught in a 50bhp Golf).
Edited by C70R on Monday 25th September 13:38
I thought there was no discretion allowing under the 'new drivers' act, so presumably he managed to convince the court to let him off completely?
If he got to 6 points he would be banned, no ifs or buts.
Fckitdriveon said:
Fast forward 6 months - I got caught doing 57 in a 30, I was in a new civic type r , at least partially funded by my parents. As ‘luck’ would have it seemed possible that my mum could’ve been driving that day - *cough cough , and after abit of Wrangling my mum took the points. ‘She’ was very close to getting a ban just on speed alone.
Pretty damned lucky - people rarely get less than a year or two in prison for that, even "back then"...agtlaw said:
C70R said:
To tell you the truth, the detail of 'how' is buried somewhere in my grey matter (while I still struggle to remember what I had for breakfast). However, the facts are exactly as I presented them - 2x 3pt offences in his first two years, and no revocation/ban.
Cost £714..C70R said:
agtlaw said:
C70R said:
To tell you the truth, the detail of 'how' is buried somewhere in my grey matter (while I still struggle to remember what I had for breakfast). However, the facts are exactly as I presented them - 2x 3pt offences in his first two years, and no revocation/ban.
Cost £714..Tony33 said:
C70R said:
agtlaw said:
C70R said:
To tell you the truth, the detail of 'how' is buried somewhere in my grey matter (while I still struggle to remember what I had for breakfast). However, the facts are exactly as I presented them - 2x 3pt offences in his first two years, and no revocation/ban.
Cost £714..Pica-Pica said:
PorkInsider said:
Pica-Pica said:
Tony33 said:
Vaud said:
It's only 24 months to keep below 6 points though, which is why I have no sympathy, and it wasn't 35 in a 30...
When you are 17 two years seems an eternity!And as a father the OP, if he has any sense, should be saying he deserves to have his licence taken away rather than looking for options.
Edited by Heres Johnny on Tuesday 26th September 18:03
stropley said:
His first offence was Gatso and was 34 in a 30 I think. He was offered the speed awareness course the first time but didn't take it due to time constraints. Also I think I might have put him off when I described the one I went on 
I have to ask, last minute specification change on the launch vehicle he was tasked with delivering, or sudden spate of cerebral trauma patients who he needed to operate on?C70R said:
Tony33 said:
C70R said:
agtlaw said:
C70R said:
To tell you the truth, the detail of 'how' is buried somewhere in my grey matter (while I still struggle to remember what I had for breakfast). However, the facts are exactly as I presented them - 2x 3pt offences in his first two years, and no revocation/ban.
Cost £714..
Gavia said:
C70R said:
Tony33 said:
C70R said:
agtlaw said:
C70R said:
To tell you the truth, the detail of 'how' is buried somewhere in my grey matter (while I still struggle to remember what I had for breakfast). However, the facts are exactly as I presented them - 2x 3pt offences in his first two years, and no revocation/ban.
Cost £714..Finally got a minute to post something sensible. He won't get a ban, the 6 points thingy means revocation of licence, NOT a ban. The two are totally different in the aspect of law. A ban is where the court says you can't drive. Driving during a ban is serious, as effectively you are breaching a court imposed sanction. In this case, his license will simply be put in to a shredder and vanish from sight, he will have neither full nor provisional and as such cannot drive legally until he has a new provisional license.
He will lose his licence, but won't be banned.
He will have to reapply for his provisional licence, and won't be able to drive until he has the provisional. Back on to L plates.
He will have to retake his theory test
He will have to retake his practical test
He will then have to send off for his full license again after passing the practical test.
If you or he are thinking about doing some 'sneaky deal' then forget it. If he gets a 28 day ban but keeps his license then whippedy f
king doo everythings fine until cheapest car insurance quote comes back at £4000 higher than before. Cloud/silver lining/bigger cloud.
Pay the fine, send the license off for endorsement, see if they cancel it or not (he might be lucky with the few days grace but I doubt it). If it's rescinded then get a new provisional, put in for both practical and theory tests straight away and start again.
I don't know if points from a rescinded licence are carried over to your new licence. If so, when applying for car insurance again, your new DL number does not have points attached then all is good.
He will lose his licence, but won't be banned.
He will have to reapply for his provisional licence, and won't be able to drive until he has the provisional. Back on to L plates.
He will have to retake his theory test
He will have to retake his practical test
He will then have to send off for his full license again after passing the practical test.
If you or he are thinking about doing some 'sneaky deal' then forget it. If he gets a 28 day ban but keeps his license then whippedy f
king doo everythings fine until cheapest car insurance quote comes back at £4000 higher than before. Cloud/silver lining/bigger cloud.Pay the fine, send the license off for endorsement, see if they cancel it or not (he might be lucky with the few days grace but I doubt it). If it's rescinded then get a new provisional, put in for both practical and theory tests straight away and start again.
I don't know if points from a rescinded licence are carried over to your new licence. If so, when applying for car insurance again, your new DL number does not have points attached then all is good.
Wiccan of Darkness said:
If you or he are thinking about doing some 'sneaky deal' then forget it. If he gets a 28 day ban but keeps his license then whippedy fking doo everythings fine until cheapest car insurance quote comes back at £4000 higher than before. Cloud/silver lining/bigger cloud.
This is ringing bells for what my friend did. I don't recall his insurance being that bad at the time, but then this is ~15 years ago...king doo everythings fine until cheapest car insurance quote comes back at £4000 higher than before. Cloud/silver lining/bigger cloud.surveyor_101 said:
mgtony said:
When he passes his tests again and gets his 'new' licence, will it have on it his existing 3/6 points/endorsements? or be clean???
Clean its a fresh licence and start.Gets his 5 points again and his two years resets.
The 'reset' thing is completely wrong as revocation pursuant to the Road Traffic (New Drivers) Act 1995 happens only once.
agtlaw said:
C70R said:
To tell you the truth, the detail of 'how' is buried somewhere in my grey matter (while I still struggle to remember what I had for breakfast). However, the facts are exactly as I presented them - 2x 3pt offences in his first two years, and no revocation/ban.
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