Dog hit by car

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catso

14,784 posts

267 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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C70R said:
Travelling with unsecured dogs in the car scares the crap out of me. An average-sized dog turning into a projectile in the event of an accident isn't ending well for anyone involved.
If your dog is in the car, it should be wearing a harness and a tether to a fixed point (e.g. a seatbelt clip). No ifs, no buts.
Assuming of course that the dog travels on the seat. On the rare occasion our dog has been in the car (vet trip) he has been in the passenger side footwell, I certainly wouldn't want him on the seats.

C70R

17,596 posts

104 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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catso said:
C70R said:
Travelling with unsecured dogs in the car scares the crap out of me. An average-sized dog turning into a projectile in the event of an accident isn't ending well for anyone involved.
If your dog is in the car, it should be wearing a harness and a tether to a fixed point (e.g. a seatbelt clip). No ifs, no buts.
Assuming of course that the dog travels on the seat. On the rare occasion our dog has been in the car (vet trip) he has been in the passenger side footwell, I certainly wouldn't want him on the seats.
Assuming nothing. You can get tethers long enough to keep him in the passenger footwell, even if he's sharing a seatbelt anchor with you.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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superlightr said:
awful for all concerned.

What sort of road was it? google maps view perhaps?
No need for any of that.

It was the OPs fault. His dog(s) were off the lead, out of control, on the highway.

catso

14,784 posts

267 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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C70R said:
catso said:
C70R said:
Travelling with unsecured dogs in the car scares the crap out of me. An average-sized dog turning into a projectile in the event of an accident isn't ending well for anyone involved.
If your dog is in the car, it should be wearing a harness and a tether to a fixed point (e.g. a seatbelt clip). No ifs, no buts.
Assuming of course that the dog travels on the seat. On the rare occasion our dog has been in the car (vet trip) he has been in the passenger side footwell, I certainly wouldn't want him on the seats.
Assuming nothing. You can get tethers long enough to keep him in the passenger footwell, even if he's sharing a seatbelt anchor with you.
Seems a little pointless, given that he would be either leaning on or very close to the bulkhead, I can't see a restraint holding him away from it sufficiently, unless it was under tension to begin with and I don't think that would be satisfactory. Under these circumstances I can't see it doing very much in the event of an accident?

Although I can see the reasoning if the dog is on the seat, especially a large dog.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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bobtail4x4 said:
they are not insured as the cost of insuring several hounds is horrific,

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Why do you keep dogs if you can't afford to insure them. Supposing they attack a child - or me?

Why have more than one dog?

foreright

1,035 posts

242 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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We use something like this to secure our (12kg) dog in the back of our car. It clips to her harness - as said above, the last thing you want in an accident is a heavy weight flying around! As a side effect it does allow us to open the back doors with no danger of her exiting without us getting the lead on first. Also, in the event of an accident it's surely likely to be safer for your dog also to be restrained.

Glad to hear your dog is ok though smile


Edited by foreright on Monday 25th September 16:40

bobtail4x4

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3,715 posts

109 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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The Mad Monk said:
bobtail4x4 said:
they are not insured as the cost of insuring several hounds is horrific,

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Why do you keep dogs if you can't afford to insure them. Supposing they attack a child - or me?

Why have more than one dog?
they are working dogs, I can afford to insure them, but I found out a while back what a racket it was, doubling premiums as dog gets older, but paying out less,
and why would they attack anyone? even in pain she let the vet examine her, still wagging her tail.

QuickQuack

2,177 posts

101 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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Sorry to hear about your dog OP, I hope he's recovering well. Unfortunately, in the scenario you describe, the driver is not going to be at fault unless he accelerated towards your dog. If you're stopping at a layby, then you'll likely be on a road where the NSL applies whether it's a dual or single carriageway. When I was a bit younger, I rolled a car swerving around an animal on an NSL single carriageway on a bend when it was starting to rain. Luckily the car was pretty solid and I came out without a scratch (thank you Volvo 440!). The police who attended drummed into me that one shouldn't swerve for small animals (as in smaller than deer, cows or horses) and in wet weather, and even to be wary of stamping on the anchors. The point they made was that hitting an animal is sad, but having an accident potentially causing serious injury or death of humans is far worse. As a dog lover myself, and having had two Irish setters in the past, I fully sympathise with how you must feel about a much loved friend being injured. The other issue is that you were in the layby and should've remained there. A car on the road should not need to reduce their speed approaching a vehicle in a layby whether or not there are dogs there. One would expect that any animals and children are under control otherwise we would all have to approach all vehicles in all lay-bys at a snail's pace. Having looked at this relatively recently, the driver could only be liable if you can prove that they were negligent, eg they mounted the pavement and ran over your dog. In this situation, I'm afraid you would be liable for their losses and damages.

InitialDave

11,882 posts

119 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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QuickQuack said:
The point they made was that hitting an animal is sad, but having an accident potentially causing serious injury or death of humans is far worse.
I've met enough animals and humans to regard that one as being up for debate.

dhutch

14,355 posts

197 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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Very sorry to hear about the dog, hopefully making good recovery, cant say if the driver could have avoided it.

Obviously the dogs shouldn't have been on the road, but yet I'm also amazed how little respect cars have for what's around them when I am walking in the countryside. Children, dogs, OAP, no care given.

As for not insuring dogs, we don't insure ours out of choice. Same with not insuring pushbikes against theft or getting an extended warranty on the toaster. Don't insure it if you can afford to pay it. I would rather spend £2000 grand on vets bills occasionally than £100/month insurance for 15years.

Daniel

Heaveho

5,282 posts

174 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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The Mad Monk said:
Why have more than one dog?
What kind of a question is that? People have more than one kid. One kid is one more more than I'd want, but that's personal choice.

768

13,662 posts

96 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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bobtail4x4 said:
not going all mumsnet but it could have been a kid?
I don't think you'd get much support for letting a kid run out into the road either.

Hope the dog recovers well.

Kuji

785 posts

122 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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bobtail4x4 said:
The Mad Monk said:
bobtail4x4 said:
they are not insured as the cost of insuring several hounds is horrific,

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Why do you keep dogs if you can't afford to insure them. Supposing they attack a child - or me?

Why have more than one dog?
they are working dogs, I can afford to insure them, but I found out a while back what a racket it was, doubling premiums as dog gets older, but paying out less,
and why would they attack anyone? even in pain she let the vet examine her, still wagging her tail.
Google the word actuary.

There is an obvious reason why dog insurance premiums go up as the become a greater risk.

BenjiS

3,787 posts

91 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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bobtail4x4 said:
The Mad Monk said:
bobtail4x4 said:
they are not insured as the cost of insuring several hounds is horrific,

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Why do you keep dogs if you can't afford to insure them. Supposing they attack a child - or me?

Why have more than one dog?
they are working dogs, I can afford to insure them, but I found out a while back what a racket it was, doubling premiums as dog gets older, but paying out less,
and why would they attack anyone? even in pain she let the vet examine her, still wagging her tail.
You're not just insuring for something happening to them, you're also insuring for damage they can cause to others.

What if the driver that hit your dog had lost control and suffered life-changing injuries in the accident? You'd have been on the hook for potentially millions in damages.

Bugger-all sympathy from you from this quarter.

Legacywr

12,094 posts

188 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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Grrrrrr...

dhutch

14,355 posts

197 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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BenjiS said:
You're not just insuring for something happening to them, you're also insuring for damage they can cause to others.

What if the driver that hit your dog had lost control and suffered life-changing injuries in the accident? You'd have been on the hook for potentially millions in damages.

Bugger-all sympathy from you from this quarter.
You or your children insured for causing 3rd party damage?

Daniel

BenjiS

3,787 posts

91 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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dhutch said:
You or your children insured for causing 3rd party damage?
Yes, by my house insurance. But that doesn't cover my animals. Which have their own cover for any damage they may cause.

0a

23,900 posts

194 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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The OP's lack of control of his dogs could have been far worse - imagine if the driver had swerved and hit another car. Mark it down to experience and pay for the damage.

CoreyDog

714 posts

90 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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Hope the dog is ok. £600 is bloody cheap! Our dog had a skin allergy, that was £2000 before we even had a diagnosis.

I'm afraid OP, you are responsible. Dog ran into the road so dog wasn't under proper control unless you can prove the driver acted negligent.

Both our dogs are insured (Costs about £20 a month for the pair) and they cover third party damage or injury up to £5 Million along with all the usual vets bills, money for a reward if lost etc. If you have insurance, pass it onto them to deal with. If you don't well... It's an expensive lesson.

sparkythecat

7,902 posts

255 months

Monday 25th September 2017
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CoreyDog said:
Both our dogs are insured (Costs about £20 a month for the pair) and they cover third party damage or injury up to £5 Million along with all the usual vets bills, money for a reward if lost etc. If you have insurance, pass it onto them to deal with. If you don't well... It's an expensive lesson.
Please can you tell me who your insurer is? I'm getting a puppy in a few weeks and the quotes I've had to date have been around double that for one dog.