Is crime out of control in your area?
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janesmith1950 said:
It's interesting that the Commissioner blames the car manufacturers. Surely the problem is that they've made cars so difficult to steal, that people now need to burgle folk to get the keys. If anything, they've been too successful at making cars hard to steal, and in doing so the car theft genre has now changed.
Up until ~3 years ago I'd have agreed with you.But keyless entry has been a massive step backwards for car security - it's now ridiculously easy to 'scan' your house for the signal that your keyfob is CONTINUOUSLY broadcasting, amplify that signal so the car thinks the key is nearby, then open the car and start the engine. Fords, BMWs, all VAG and probably many other mfrs as well.
OBD-II port reprogramming (a-la most modern BMWs and probably several other brands) is also by all accounts just a laptop programme and cable away from the scrote near you.
I'm not sure what planet most automotive electrical engineers are on, but it certainly isn't one where car theft happens or where IT advances happen at 4x the rate of automotive programme changes. Surely it's bloody obvious that ANYTHING electronic in the automotive world will be obsolete vs the rest of the IT world before that model ceases production?!?
havoc said:
Up until ~3 years ago I'd have agreed with you.
But keyless entry has been a massive step backwards for car security - it's now ridiculously easy to 'scan' your house for the signal that your keyfob is CONTINUOUSLY broadcasting, amplify that signal so the car thinks the key is nearby, then open the car and start the engine. Fords, BMWs, all VAG and probably many other mfrs as well.
OBD-II port reprogramming (a-la most modern BMWs and probably several other brands) is also by all accounts just a laptop programme and cable away from the scrote near you.
I'm not sure what planet most automotive electrical engineers are on, but it certainly isn't one where car theft happens or where IT advances happen at 4x the rate of automotive programme changes. Surely it's bloody obvious that ANYTHING electronic in the automotive world will be obsolete vs the rest of the IT world before that model ceases production?!?
I understand it's possible but I would hazard a guess that the majority of thefts of keyless cars are still taken with keys..But keyless entry has been a massive step backwards for car security - it's now ridiculously easy to 'scan' your house for the signal that your keyfob is CONTINUOUSLY broadcasting, amplify that signal so the car thinks the key is nearby, then open the car and start the engine. Fords, BMWs, all VAG and probably many other mfrs as well.
OBD-II port reprogramming (a-la most modern BMWs and probably several other brands) is also by all accounts just a laptop programme and cable away from the scrote near you.
I'm not sure what planet most automotive electrical engineers are on, but it certainly isn't one where car theft happens or where IT advances happen at 4x the rate of automotive programme changes. Surely it's bloody obvious that ANYTHING electronic in the automotive world will be obsolete vs the rest of the IT world before that model ceases production?!?
rxe said:
Huge local crimewave in my area, Berkshire. Targeting farms and anything rural. There literally no stopping them, one farmer had pulled out all the stops on security, they just cut through posts and steel doors with a Stihl saw.
Our neighbours have taken to parking an air-braked waggon on their lane at night so it is impassable. It won't help, these people stole a speedboat in another village, dragged it over two fields to get it out.
God knows where it all ends up.
A lot ends up in Romania, they have a Criminal university there, specialising in a wide array of crimes, with no shortage of recruits from the orphanages.Our neighbours have taken to parking an air-braked waggon on their lane at night so it is impassable. It won't help, these people stole a speedboat in another village, dragged it over two fields to get it out.
God knows where it all ends up.
Strange place, your just as likely to see a horse and cart as well as Lambo's and Fezza's.
havoc said:
I'm not so sure. Once you've got access to the OBD port, in some cars you can re-programme a blank key...
the dealer was pushing for keyless entry on my new car as an extra but i was happy with a just a normal key and ignition thanks. Dont fancy it going missing with a wide boy at the wheel hot fotting it to Eastern EuropeThe Chief Constable of West Midlands knows how to tackle criminals. He shouts "oi" at them. If memory serves me right, the OAP cleaner had a go.
Lead by example?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Lead by example?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Here in the far reaches of East Anglia the biggest crime we have had for a while is an elderly shopper being run over by a mobility scooter. Criminals must have decided this seaside town just not worth it.
We do have a real problem with large amounts of drugs coming in via our remote beaches, but the gangs involved seem to be very careful in ensuring that they do not create a disturbance, and that others ( potential rivals?) keep quiet lives.
Anecdotally the word here is you can tell when a large drug shipment is coming by the class of cars that show up parked on the streets.
We do have a real problem with large amounts of drugs coming in via our remote beaches, but the gangs involved seem to be very careful in ensuring that they do not create a disturbance, and that others ( potential rivals?) keep quiet lives.
Anecdotally the word here is you can tell when a large drug shipment is coming by the class of cars that show up parked on the streets.
spookly said:
Breadvan72 said:
I grew up in Solihull and have always regarded it as a wretched hive of sum of villainy.
With regard to allegedly wishy washy policies on crime and punishment, there has over the last decade or more been an increase in the severity of sentences for many crimes, and prisons have been filling up. But this is an ineffective policy, as the USA shows (harsh penal system, still high crime).
Cuts to police resources and CJS resources are an important factor. As usual, the systems are expected to operate on a budget of a quid.
Massive police numbers don't seem to help the yanks either.With regard to allegedly wishy washy policies on crime and punishment, there has over the last decade or more been an increase in the severity of sentences for many crimes, and prisons have been filling up. But this is an ineffective policy, as the USA shows (harsh penal system, still high crime).
Cuts to police resources and CJS resources are an important factor. As usual, the systems are expected to operate on a budget of a quid.
Are you absolutely sure the police don't have enough officers?
A nice fluffy guardian link so I cant be accused of a being a daily mail zealot.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/1...
However if you want a sad face and not a happy smiley everything is ok face you will have to find a Mail link.
A nice fluffy guardian link so I cant be accused of a being a daily mail zealot.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/1...
However if you want a sad face and not a happy smiley everything is ok face you will have to find a Mail link.
My parents live in a own about 10 miles outside of Coventry. The last few months their street, and the surrounding ones, have seen a huge increase in car thefts. Pretty much every weekend they are hearing about another car theft, and that's just the ones that they are being told about by other victims. Two weeks ago, they had most of their keys stolen from inside the house, probably after keys to my dad's BMW. Reported to police, who came round the next day and told them that they'd had 5 other reports of car key thefts the previous night all within a couple of streets. One house had a BMW and a Merc taken off the drive.
So far, the only saving grace seems to be that this lot aren't being violent to get keys (yet).
I live in a much more rural part of the country, and crime (theft at least) levels seem to be much lower, although there has been a bit of an increase recently.
So far, the only saving grace seems to be that this lot aren't being violent to get keys (yet).
I live in a much more rural part of the country, and crime (theft at least) levels seem to be much lower, although there has been a bit of an increase recently.
Breadvan72 said:
Errm.. you do realise that I was NOT proposing armed paramilitaries, er, don't you?
i did- 
We did it the legal way. Pressurise local Councillors into action , and even threatened to put up a local independence to boot out those that failed to help. Got a County Councillor , who was agent for local MP involved .What was so surprising was the support from the beat PC's & beat Sergeants. But once, political pressure was put on the brass Hats, then the Sergeant's policies were given free rein .once the higher level Police recognise that career advancement is down to politics, then resources are available, and beat Sergeants become happy chappies. It's like car maintenance- get preventative maintenance in hand and breakdowns ( in this case reactive policing) become a thing of the past. DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.
probably the same jusitification for every one to shove a camera phone in the face of the police to record everything "just in case". Works both ways i guess and prevents unnecessary false allegations with a true representation of what happened.Who you gonna call when you need help if not the police? Ghostbusters?
From the Express and Star this time comparing 2013 to 2016, and its 2017 that we are now under seige, Warwickshire which is my Border up 189%...
There were 5,930 crimes last year – up 43 per cent from 4,161 in 2013.
The figures have been revealed following a Freedom of Information request to police forces by the RAC.
The region’s Police and Crime Commissioner David Jamieson said the increase in vehicle thefts was worrying – and he has urged West Midlands Police to issue a ‘robust response’.
Mr Jamieson said: “The rise in vehicle thefts is concerning, it shows that crime is rising not falling as the Government insists.
“I have been raising this issue with West Midlands Police to ensure a more robust response and I raised it with the Policing Minister last week too.
“In addition to recruiting officers to tackle crimes, I have called on leading manufacturers to bring in measures to protect their vehicles from theft.
“As well as tough police action, it is important manufacturers take responsibility to ensure their vehicles are much more difficult to steal.
“Manufacturers are failing in their duties to protect their customers.
“The manufacturers should face up to their responsibilities and ensure the expensive vehicles they sell are not as vulnerable to hacking and theft.
“Many of the vehicles have long warranties, manufacturers should ensure vehicles are protected for the life of the vehicles they sell.”
Staffordshire saw the number of vehicle thefts increase from 1,100 in 2013 to 1,180 in 2016, a seven per cent increase.
Meanwhile, West Mercia Police saw the numbers rise by 26 per cent, from 291 to 368. Across the country, responses from 40 forces revealed 85,688 vehicles were stolen last year, up 30 per cent from 65,783 in 2013.
RAC insurance director Mark Godfrey said the rise reverses a general trend of vehicle thefts decreasing since around 2002.
He said: “We fear thieves are now becoming more and more well equipped with technology capable of defeating car manufacturers’ anti-theft systems.
“This is bad news for motorists as it has the effect of causing insurance premiums to rise at a time when they are already being pushed up by a variety of factors, not least the recent change to the discount rate for life-changing personal injury compensation claims and the rises in insurance premium tax.”
Mr Godfrey said a number of motorists are resorting to using anti-theft devices which were popular in the 1980s and early 1990s such as steering wheel locks.
“They are still a very effective visible deterrent,” he added. Police in Warwickshire reported the largest percentage increase in stolen vehicles from 2013 to 2016, up 189 per cent. This was followed by Hampshire (59 per cent), West Yorkshire (57 per cent) and Norfolk (56 per cent).
According to the Office for National Statistics, 71 per cent of all vehicle-theft occurs during the week and the night is popular time, with 43 per cent occurring during this period of the day.
Shockingly, 43 per cent of all vehicle-related theft occur because drives do not adequately lock their doors.
West Midlands Police have issued advice in Wolverhampton in recent weeks in a bid to tackle burglars breaking into homes with the intention of stealing a car. This said: “Offenders are now seeking to steal cars by burgling houses and obtaining the car keys.
“Wolverhampton Police are taking a number of steps to prevent this type of crime, including increased patrols in the affected areas and investigation any information we received from the community.
“You can also help by being vigilant. During the day be on the lookout for any unusual individuals or vehicles in your street, particularly if they appear to be paying attention to a house where a desirable car is parked, whether or not the car is there at the time.
“Similarly, late at night be on the lookout for unusual activity. Owners of high value or desirable cars are advised to take extra precautions.”
Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2017/09/...
There were 5,930 crimes last year – up 43 per cent from 4,161 in 2013.
The figures have been revealed following a Freedom of Information request to police forces by the RAC.
The region’s Police and Crime Commissioner David Jamieson said the increase in vehicle thefts was worrying – and he has urged West Midlands Police to issue a ‘robust response’.
Mr Jamieson said: “The rise in vehicle thefts is concerning, it shows that crime is rising not falling as the Government insists.
“I have been raising this issue with West Midlands Police to ensure a more robust response and I raised it with the Policing Minister last week too.
“In addition to recruiting officers to tackle crimes, I have called on leading manufacturers to bring in measures to protect their vehicles from theft.
“As well as tough police action, it is important manufacturers take responsibility to ensure their vehicles are much more difficult to steal.
“Manufacturers are failing in their duties to protect their customers.
“The manufacturers should face up to their responsibilities and ensure the expensive vehicles they sell are not as vulnerable to hacking and theft.
“Many of the vehicles have long warranties, manufacturers should ensure vehicles are protected for the life of the vehicles they sell.”
Staffordshire saw the number of vehicle thefts increase from 1,100 in 2013 to 1,180 in 2016, a seven per cent increase.
Meanwhile, West Mercia Police saw the numbers rise by 26 per cent, from 291 to 368. Across the country, responses from 40 forces revealed 85,688 vehicles were stolen last year, up 30 per cent from 65,783 in 2013.
RAC insurance director Mark Godfrey said the rise reverses a general trend of vehicle thefts decreasing since around 2002.
He said: “We fear thieves are now becoming more and more well equipped with technology capable of defeating car manufacturers’ anti-theft systems.
“This is bad news for motorists as it has the effect of causing insurance premiums to rise at a time when they are already being pushed up by a variety of factors, not least the recent change to the discount rate for life-changing personal injury compensation claims and the rises in insurance premium tax.”
Mr Godfrey said a number of motorists are resorting to using anti-theft devices which were popular in the 1980s and early 1990s such as steering wheel locks.
“They are still a very effective visible deterrent,” he added. Police in Warwickshire reported the largest percentage increase in stolen vehicles from 2013 to 2016, up 189 per cent. This was followed by Hampshire (59 per cent), West Yorkshire (57 per cent) and Norfolk (56 per cent).
According to the Office for National Statistics, 71 per cent of all vehicle-theft occurs during the week and the night is popular time, with 43 per cent occurring during this period of the day.
Shockingly, 43 per cent of all vehicle-related theft occur because drives do not adequately lock their doors.
West Midlands Police have issued advice in Wolverhampton in recent weeks in a bid to tackle burglars breaking into homes with the intention of stealing a car. This said: “Offenders are now seeking to steal cars by burgling houses and obtaining the car keys.
“Wolverhampton Police are taking a number of steps to prevent this type of crime, including increased patrols in the affected areas and investigation any information we received from the community.
“You can also help by being vigilant. During the day be on the lookout for any unusual individuals or vehicles in your street, particularly if they appear to be paying attention to a house where a desirable car is parked, whether or not the car is there at the time.
“Similarly, late at night be on the lookout for unusual activity. Owners of high value or desirable cars are advised to take extra precautions.”
Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2017/09/...
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