Street lights - speed limit?
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ashleyman said:
Blakewater said:
ashleyman said:
saaby93 said:
ashleyman said:
Yep. Same here. Was chatting to my local friendly plod about the annoying temporary roadworks who advised me that the local 60 which was down to a red ringed temporary 30 because of construction, was actually still a 60 because there was 1 60 sign still on show. Thank You VERY Much Mr Officer!
Personally, I don't think the old adage of street lights = 30 is right anymore as there's plenty of 20 zones where you have a sign on entry but no reminder as you drive through.
20 zones are not the same as 20 limits Personally, I don't think the old adage of street lights = 30 is right anymore as there's plenty of 20 zones where you have a sign on entry but no reminder as you drive through.
Limits use signage only, without the word "Zone" under it.
https://www.rospa.com/road-safety/advice/drivers/s...
I have seen many black-ringed 20 signed zones.
stevensdrs said:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9071889,-4.10047...
This is taken from the last streetlight. The road ahead is a 30mph limit. It has no signs or street lighting.
Where there are streetlights it is correct to assume a 30mph limit in the absence of any signage but on roads like this it is not so easy to decide. Probably explains the frequent speed traps about a mile down this road.
There are 30 limit signs on all the approaches to Chryston.This is taken from the last streetlight. The road ahead is a 30mph limit. It has no signs or street lighting.
Where there are streetlights it is correct to assume a 30mph limit in the absence of any signage but on roads like this it is not so easy to decide. Probably explains the frequent speed traps about a mile down this road.
Here - https://goo.gl/maps/vVNYQgNmRZA2
Here - https://goo.gl/maps/sQ4NXNi9i7D2
and
Here - https://goo.gl/maps/UzKV1X9M7Fw
The limit remains at that figure until you pass a sign showing a different one or NSL.
It makes no difference that the road looks like a higher figure might be appropriate.
Also there are repeaters in situ.
Here https://goo.gl/maps/kkqQj68168T2
and
Here - https://goo.gl/maps/GG9awcLN3Pu
So, unless they have been removed since the Google car passed by, the Mk1 eyeball is defective.
No one is disputing the presence of 30mph signs or streetlights on all connecting roads. The repeaters however have indeed been removed since the google car passed that way.
What about this one?
Start of Gartshore Road leaving Kirkintilloch.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9371142,-4.11303...
End of same road at Cumbernauld.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9310779,-4.06324...
As there are no further signs since the one in the first picture, could you argue that the road you are joining is national speed limit? It isn't it's a 30mph limit and there are no signs on it to indicate that.
What about this one?
Start of Gartshore Road leaving Kirkintilloch.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9371142,-4.11303...
End of same road at Cumbernauld.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9310779,-4.06324...
As there are no further signs since the one in the first picture, could you argue that the road you are joining is national speed limit? It isn't it's a 30mph limit and there are no signs on it to indicate that.
stevensdrs said:
No one is disputing the presence of 30mph signs or streetlights on all connecting roads. The repeaters however have indeed been removed since the google car passed that way.
If you haven't passed a sign for different limit (i.e. a number within a roundel or NSL) then it's still 30.One has to wonder though if the removal of the repeaters is a cynical ploy to catch people who don't know any better.
stevensdrs said:
What about this one?
Start of Gartshore Road leaving Kirkintilloch.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9371142,-4.11303...
End of same road at Cumbernauld.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9310779,-4.06324...
As there are no further signs since the one in the first picture, could you argue that the road you are joining is national speed limit? It isn't it's a 30mph limit and there are no signs on it to indicate that.
The applicable legislation is the RTRA 1984. See Sections 81 & 82. If there are no repeaters to say otherwise you cannot assume it is anything other than a 30.Start of Gartshore Road leaving Kirkintilloch.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9371142,-4.11303...
End of same road at Cumbernauld.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9310779,-4.06324...
As there are no further signs since the one in the first picture, could you argue that the road you are joining is national speed limit? It isn't it's a 30mph limit and there are no signs on it to indicate that.
You could certainly argue, but RTRA Section 85(5) suggests you would fail.
Were there any 30 limit signs which have also been removed? If so, it's yet another cynical ploy by the relevant traffic authority to catch the unwary.
Mollins Road appears to be 30 for its entire length.
South end - https://goo.gl/maps/XpfjXozQmW42
North end - https://goo.gl/maps/588qF2JKogt
knows why: on the face of it there doesn't appear to be any logical reason why it can't be higher. Super Slo Mo said:
matchmaker said:
So this is 30mph once you arrive at the lit section?
(I'll give you a clue - it's not).
Inevitably, there are nsl repeaters, so no, it’s not 30. (I'll give you a clue - it's not).
https://goo.gl/maps/vDMfm194mHQ2
Red Devil said:
stevensdrs said:
No one is disputing the presence of 30mph signs or streetlights on all connecting roads. The repeaters however have indeed been removed since the google car passed that way.
If you haven't passed a sign for different limit (i.e. a number within a roundel or NSL) then it's still 30.One has to wonder though if the removal of the repeaters is a cynical ploy to catch people who don't know any better.
stevensdrs said:
What about this one?
Start of Gartshore Road leaving Kirkintilloch.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9371142,-4.11303...
End of same road at Cumbernauld.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9310779,-4.06324...
As there are no further signs since the one in the first picture, could you argue that the road you are joining is national speed limit? It isn't it's a 30mph limit and there are no signs on it to indicate that.
The applicable legislation is the RTRA 1984. See Sections 81 & 82. If there are no repeaters to say otherwise you cannot assume it is anything other than a 30.Start of Gartshore Road leaving Kirkintilloch.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9371142,-4.11303...
End of same road at Cumbernauld.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9310779,-4.06324...
As there are no further signs since the one in the first picture, could you argue that the road you are joining is national speed limit? It isn't it's a 30mph limit and there are no signs on it to indicate that.
You could certainly argue, but RTRA Section 85(5) suggests you would fail.
Were there any 30 limit signs which have also been removed? If so, it's yet another cynical ploy by the relevant traffic authority to catch the unwary.
Mollins Road appears to be 30 for its entire length.
South end - https://goo.gl/maps/XpfjXozQmW42
North end - https://goo.gl/maps/588qF2JKogt
knows why: on the face of it there doesn't appear to be any logical reason why it can't be higher. Super Slo Mo said:
matchmaker said:
So this is 30mph once you arrive at the lit section?
In my view it would be better if the NSL repeater was before the first lamp post (perhaps it is), to avoid a precautionary slow down.
(I'll give you a clue - it's not).
Inevitably, there are nsl repeaters, so no, it’s not 30. In my view it would be better if the NSL repeater was before the first lamp post (perhaps it is), to avoid a precautionary slow down.
(I'll give you a clue - it's not).
https://goo.gl/maps/vDMfm194mHQ2
Who me said:
New Twist. in a lot of places, to save money, councils are switching off lights . But the 30 limit depends on lights ,set at a set distance. So in these areas where lights are switched off, does this make the 30 limit nul & void?
No. RTRA 1984 Section 82 refers only to their presence at the prescribed distance apart: no mention of any requirement for them to be lit.Think about it. If that were the case the limit couldn't apply in daylight when they wouldn't (normally!) be anyway.
Nice try.
I recently got "caught out" by a speed limit for the first time in 20 years of driving.
Driving down the M32 toward Bristol I passed a 40mph sign at the entrance to a sliproad exit. I slowed down, everyone started passing me, the satnav said 60mph and i didn't see repeaters so thought I'd made an error and accelerated.
Next day i saw there was at least one repeater I'd missed and it was indeed a 40.
I then learned that there is no longer a maximum distance between repeaters and lack of repeaters is no longer a valid defence.
Bah.
Driving down the M32 toward Bristol I passed a 40mph sign at the entrance to a sliproad exit. I slowed down, everyone started passing me, the satnav said 60mph and i didn't see repeaters so thought I'd made an error and accelerated.
Next day i saw there was at least one repeater I'd missed and it was indeed a 40.
I then learned that there is no longer a maximum distance between repeaters and lack of repeaters is no longer a valid defence.
Bah.
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