Dangerous Dogs Act
Discussion
Twiglets said:
It works both ways. Last February a neighbour’s dog (later found out to be a banned breed) got into out back garden and attacked me, my wife and our dog. Unfortunately our dog died after surgery a few days later and we both suffered bites on our hands, the attacking dog is still being held in kennels and hasn’t been destroyed even though it had a history of attacking other dogs and the owner freely admitted he often killed cats. The owner is being charged with owning a dangerously out of control dog, destruction of property (£7k plus inc vet fees) and owning a banned breed, the police are pretty confident she’ll be found guilty and the dog destroyed but even after the historic attacks there are no guarantees, if it get returned to the owner we’ll have no choice but to leave the area.
To me it doesn’t seem the law is against the dog, far from it in fact, the owner even requested through the police that we allowed her to have her dog back if she promised to look after it and they actually asked us!
WTAF. I just don't get these people. I have two very large dogs. One is 55Kg and the other is 75Kg and still growing. As much as I love my dogs, if one of them seriously attacked another dog or I had any inkling they were dangerous to people then the police wouldn't need to do anything as I'd sort them out myself. How does anybody think it's acceptable to own a dog which is a danger to other dogs or to people and then fail to control it is beyond me.To me it doesn’t seem the law is against the dog, far from it in fact, the owner even requested through the police that we allowed her to have her dog back if she promised to look after it and they actually asked us!
spookly said:
WTAF. I just don't get these people. I have two very large dogs. One is 55Kg and the other is 75Kg and still growing. As much as I love my dogs, if one of them seriously attacked another dog or I had any inkling they were dangerous to people then the police wouldn't need to do anything as I'd sort them out myself. How does anybody think it's acceptable to own a dog which is a danger to other dogs or to people and then fail to control it is beyond me.
It’s currently being held in police kennels somewhere and is so aggressive they have to cover it with a blanket when another dog goes past or it goes mental, I can’t see how anyone can think the dog can be kept under control. He’s a very large dog as well, i’m not a small man but I didn’t stand a chance against it, I gave it a proper beating and whipping with a chain but it didn’t even lift off our little dog, he seemed to think it was a game.Twiglets said:
spookly said:
WTAF. I just don't get these people. I have two very large dogs. One is 55Kg and the other is 75Kg and still growing. As much as I love my dogs, if one of them seriously attacked another dog or I had any inkling they were dangerous to people then the police wouldn't need to do anything as I'd sort them out myself. How does anybody think it's acceptable to own a dog which is a danger to other dogs or to people and then fail to control it is beyond me.
It’s currently being held in police kennels somewhere and is so aggressive they have to cover it with a blanket when another dog goes past or it goes mental, I can’t see how anyone can think the dog can be kept under control. He’s a very large dog as well, i’m not a small man but I didn’t stand a chance against it, I gave it a proper beating and whipping with a chain but it didn’t even lift off our little dog, he seemed to think it was a game.Personally I think the Dangerous Dogs Act is woolly, over complex and misguided. But then I also think that dog licenses should be brought back in at a relatively significant cost, along with compulsory pet insurance for all dogs... so I might just be off my rocker anyhow.
Also, I've had a long history of owning large breeds... some people are "intimidated" just by walking near a big dog, that's their issue really, not the dog's fault! And yes, no bad dogs - plenty of bad owners.
Beautiful GSD cross though, OP - and as others have said, your dog did nothing wrong and everything right. It's a pity the DDA doesn't extend some of the "householder" annexes into the protection of the owner in a situation such as that which you were in.
I'm currently sat with two puppies who turned six months old this week... both are now approaching 40 kilos...
Also, I've had a long history of owning large breeds... some people are "intimidated" just by walking near a big dog, that's their issue really, not the dog's fault! And yes, no bad dogs - plenty of bad owners.
Beautiful GSD cross though, OP - and as others have said, your dog did nothing wrong and everything right. It's a pity the DDA doesn't extend some of the "householder" annexes into the protection of the owner in a situation such as that which you were in.
I'm currently sat with two puppies who turned six months old this week... both are now approaching 40 kilos...
CoreyDog said:
... Just thought I'd read up on Dangerous Dogs Act just in case and it seems very stacked against the dog, no mention of defence, under full control etc. Just if someone is intimidated, that's it. Guilty and dog could be taken away ...
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OP, please tell us which particular bit of the Act is bothering you? Offences under the 1991 Act relate to dogs being dangerously out of control. ...
Breadvan72 said:
OP, please tell us which particular bit of the Act is bothering you? Offences under the 1991 Act relate to dogs being dangerously out of control.
The owner of the dog that attacked us has been charged with ‘owning a dangerously out of control dog’, I don’t think a dog on a lead will even come close to being that.Breadvan72 said:
CoreyDog said:
... Just thought I'd read up on Dangerous Dogs Act just in case and it seems very stacked against the dog, no mention of defence, under full control etc. Just if someone is intimidated, that's it. Guilty and dog could be taken away ...
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OP, please tell us which particular bit of the Act is bothering you? Offences under the 1991 Act relate to dogs being dangerously out of control. ...
https://blogs.rspca.org.uk/insights/2014/05/14/how...
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/offences_involv...
http://www.doglaw.co.uk/section-3-dangerous-dogs-a...
Morning all,
Sorry for the delayed reply.
Basically I read the legislation then an article written by the RSPCA regarding owners responsibilities and outcomes from the Dangerous Dogs Act. I may have got my wires crossed. I wouldn't care if I received a fine/community service etc, but if it had the potential to harm my dog, that's a different situation.
No further issues though and heard nothing from any authority, assume if reported to Police would have had a visit this evening.
Hope the little barstewards learnt a lesson though and won't be coming back, I have a quiet life and prefer it that way!
Sorry for the delayed reply.
Basically I read the legislation then an article written by the RSPCA regarding owners responsibilities and outcomes from the Dangerous Dogs Act. I may have got my wires crossed. I wouldn't care if I received a fine/community service etc, but if it had the potential to harm my dog, that's a different situation.
No further issues though and heard nothing from any authority, assume if reported to Police would have had a visit this evening.
Hope the little barstewards learnt a lesson though and won't be coming back, I have a quiet life and prefer it that way!
CoreyDog said:
Morning all,
Sorry for the delayed reply.
Basically I read the legislation then an article written by the RSPCA regarding owners responsibilities and outcomes from the Dangerous Dogs Act. I may have got my wires crossed. I wouldn't care if I received a fine/community service etc, but if it had the potential to harm my dog, that's a different situation.
No further issues though and heard nothing from any authority, assume if reported to Police would have had a visit this evening.
Hope the little barstewards learnt a lesson though and won't be coming back, I have a quiet life and prefer it that way!
Little barstewards don't often report things to the police, as they don't want their own activities subject to police scrutiny.Sorry for the delayed reply.
Basically I read the legislation then an article written by the RSPCA regarding owners responsibilities and outcomes from the Dangerous Dogs Act. I may have got my wires crossed. I wouldn't care if I received a fine/community service etc, but if it had the potential to harm my dog, that's a different situation.
No further issues though and heard nothing from any authority, assume if reported to Police would have had a visit this evening.
Hope the little barstewards learnt a lesson though and won't be coming back, I have a quiet life and prefer it that way!
Breadvan72 said:
I doubt that the OP or his dog will face any adverse consequences, and I applaud his citizenship in resisting anti-social behaviour.
Now that is out of the way, can i just say that I find all this "daddy" stuff and "dogs are better than people" stuff mega icky? Each to his own!
Ha.... I thought it was just me. Every time I hear someone say they are the mum or dad to their dog, or refer to their dog as a fur baby, I have to resist the urge to throttle them.Now that is out of the way, can i just say that I find all this "daddy" stuff and "dogs are better than people" stuff mega icky? Each to his own!
On the subject but slightly off subject if you don't mind OP....
I rent a unit off a guy who owns loads of dogs. Has a big field on the same property as the units.
All the dogs are find except for one. Some Belgium Shepherd thing who is trained to bite but not trained in any control.
Also has a puppy that is getting bigger and now lIves in the same kennel as the bigger one.
He's a tosser of a dog. I've seen the owner set him on someone (who did deserve it to be fair) and the dog near or ripped him to pieces.
However there is no control over the dog and it runs off while being walked now and again and will go for anyone.
It came between two cars once I legged it and it bit my leg fairly badly but nothing too major.
I was told it was because I ran.
It bit a couple of others and once I was outside my unit and saw the thing and stood my ground.
It came hurtling towards me at which point I walked calmly backwards into my unit and stood by the door.
The thing jumped at me and I stuck my foot up and it bit it fortunately with steel toe caps in.
I jumped and kicked it one with my other foot then pulled back and slammed the door shut.
He leaves it often behind a gate which is fine and it's normally quite chilled there.
But if theyforget to lock the gate it can open it.
It saw someone who winds it up non stop the other day went mental opened the gate. Guy gets in his truck and dog jumps all over it then goes over calms down but bites another unit owner.
Not bad just catches his overalls but then bites him again on the arm. The guy wasn't phased and said he was playing which it did look like bit still it's rediculous.
Could that dog be put down if someone reported it?
I mean nobody on site would ever report it including me but I'm worried a customer will come in one day and the thing will escape.
We keep customers away (offer a collection service) because of it.
It's rediculous as some dog trainer's rent his fields some evenings and weekends and the trainer has this rottweiler and doberman cross which everyone is terrified of but he's absolutely fine.
So well trained. I hate dogs but he let him out with me once and the dog wasn't interested.
Then he gave the command to go for the other trainer and the dog does mental (but controlled) and as soon as he gave the command the dog calmed down and went and lay down calm as anything!
I rent a unit off a guy who owns loads of dogs. Has a big field on the same property as the units.
All the dogs are find except for one. Some Belgium Shepherd thing who is trained to bite but not trained in any control.
Also has a puppy that is getting bigger and now lIves in the same kennel as the bigger one.
He's a tosser of a dog. I've seen the owner set him on someone (who did deserve it to be fair) and the dog near or ripped him to pieces.
However there is no control over the dog and it runs off while being walked now and again and will go for anyone.
It came between two cars once I legged it and it bit my leg fairly badly but nothing too major.
I was told it was because I ran.
It bit a couple of others and once I was outside my unit and saw the thing and stood my ground.
It came hurtling towards me at which point I walked calmly backwards into my unit and stood by the door.
The thing jumped at me and I stuck my foot up and it bit it fortunately with steel toe caps in.
I jumped and kicked it one with my other foot then pulled back and slammed the door shut.
He leaves it often behind a gate which is fine and it's normally quite chilled there.
But if theyforget to lock the gate it can open it.
It saw someone who winds it up non stop the other day went mental opened the gate. Guy gets in his truck and dog jumps all over it then goes over calms down but bites another unit owner.
Not bad just catches his overalls but then bites him again on the arm. The guy wasn't phased and said he was playing which it did look like bit still it's rediculous.
Could that dog be put down if someone reported it?
I mean nobody on site would ever report it including me but I'm worried a customer will come in one day and the thing will escape.
We keep customers away (offer a collection service) because of it.
It's rediculous as some dog trainer's rent his fields some evenings and weekends and the trainer has this rottweiler and doberman cross which everyone is terrified of but he's absolutely fine.
So well trained. I hate dogs but he let him out with me once and the dog wasn't interested.
Then he gave the command to go for the other trainer and the dog does mental (but controlled) and as soon as he gave the command the dog calmed down and went and lay down calm as anything!
Josho said:
On the subject but slightly off subject if you don't mind OP....
I rent a unit off a guy who owns loads of dogs. Has a big field on the same property as the units.
All the dogs are find except for one. Some Belgium Shepherd thing who is trained to bite but not trained in any control.
Also has a puppy that is getting bigger and now lIves in the same kennel as the bigger one.
He's a tosser of a dog. I've seen the owner set him on someone (who did deserve it to be fair) and the dog near or ripped him to pieces.
However there is no control over the dog and it runs off while being walked now and again and will go for anyone.
It came between two cars once I legged it and it bit my leg fairly badly but nothing too major.
I was told it was because I ran.
It bit a couple of others and once I was outside my unit and saw the thing and stood my ground.
It came hurtling towards me at which point I walked calmly backwards into my unit and stood by the door.
The thing jumped at me and I stuck my foot up and it bit it fortunately with steel toe caps in.
I jumped and kicked it one with my other foot then pulled back and slammed the door shut.
He leaves it often behind a gate which is fine and it's normally quite chilled there.
But if theyforget to lock the gate it can open it.
It saw someone who winds it up non stop the other day went mental opened the gate. Guy gets in his truck and dog jumps all over it then goes over calms down but bites another unit owner.
Not bad just catches his overalls but then bites him again on the arm. The guy wasn't phased and said he was playing which it did look like bit still it's rediculous.
Could that dog be put down if someone reported it?
I mean nobody on site would ever report it including me but I'm worried a customer will come in one day and the thing will escape.
We keep customers away (offer a collection service) because of it.
It's rediculous as some dog trainer's rent his fields some evenings and weekends and the trainer has this rottweiler and doberman cross which everyone is terrified of but he's absolutely fine.
So well trained. I hate dogs but he let him out with me once and the dog wasn't interested.
Then he gave the command to go for the other trainer and the dog does mental (but controlled) and as soon as he gave the command the dog calmed down and went and lay down calm as anything!
Fingers crossed it doesn’t kill a child or something I guess, not like there was any warning was there!I rent a unit off a guy who owns loads of dogs. Has a big field on the same property as the units.
All the dogs are find except for one. Some Belgium Shepherd thing who is trained to bite but not trained in any control.
Also has a puppy that is getting bigger and now lIves in the same kennel as the bigger one.
He's a tosser of a dog. I've seen the owner set him on someone (who did deserve it to be fair) and the dog near or ripped him to pieces.
However there is no control over the dog and it runs off while being walked now and again and will go for anyone.
It came between two cars once I legged it and it bit my leg fairly badly but nothing too major.
I was told it was because I ran.
It bit a couple of others and once I was outside my unit and saw the thing and stood my ground.
It came hurtling towards me at which point I walked calmly backwards into my unit and stood by the door.
The thing jumped at me and I stuck my foot up and it bit it fortunately with steel toe caps in.
I jumped and kicked it one with my other foot then pulled back and slammed the door shut.
He leaves it often behind a gate which is fine and it's normally quite chilled there.
But if theyforget to lock the gate it can open it.
It saw someone who winds it up non stop the other day went mental opened the gate. Guy gets in his truck and dog jumps all over it then goes over calms down but bites another unit owner.
Not bad just catches his overalls but then bites him again on the arm. The guy wasn't phased and said he was playing which it did look like bit still it's rediculous.
Could that dog be put down if someone reported it?
I mean nobody on site would ever report it including me but I'm worried a customer will come in one day and the thing will escape.
We keep customers away (offer a collection service) because of it.
It's rediculous as some dog trainer's rent his fields some evenings and weekends and the trainer has this rottweiler and doberman cross which everyone is terrified of but he's absolutely fine.
So well trained. I hate dogs but he let him out with me once and the dog wasn't interested.
Then he gave the command to go for the other trainer and the dog does mental (but controlled) and as soon as he gave the command the dog calmed down and went and lay down calm as anything!
Josho. Yes he does need reporting and the dog will be seized and eventually destroyed if it bites someone who supports a prosecution for the aggravated Sec 3 DDA offence, especially if the police do some additional basic enquiries and some of its previous history of bites is revealed.
Don’t wait for the next victim to be a woman or child visiting your site.
The owner sounds like a complete c***.
Don’t wait for the next victim to be a woman or child visiting your site.
The owner sounds like a complete c***.
sutts said:
Josho. Yes he does need reporting and the dog will be seized and eventually destroyed if it bites someone who supports a prosecution for the aggravated Sec 3 DDA offence, especially if the police do some additional basic enquiries and some of its previous history of bites is revealed.
Don’t wait for the next victim to be a woman or child visiting your site.
The owner sounds like a complete c***.
Exactly, at the very least it should be muzzled and locked up, he doesn’t sound like a good owner to me at all, I don’t understand the ‘we’d never report it’ attitude, it will hurt someone or worse and you’ll have to live with the knowledge you could have stopped it.Don’t wait for the next victim to be a woman or child visiting your site.
The owner sounds like a complete c***.
Josho said:
On the subject but slightly off subject if you don't mind OP....
I rent a unit off a guy who owns loads of dogs. Has a big field on the same property as the units.
All the dogs are find except for one. Some Belgium Shepherd thing who is trained to bite but not trained in any control.
Also has a puppy that is getting bigger and now lIves in the same kennel as the bigger one.
He's a tosser of a dog. I've seen the owner set him on someone (who did deserve it to be fair) and the dog near or ripped him to pieces.
However there is no control over the dog and it runs off while being walked now and again and will go for anyone.
It came between two cars once I legged it and it bit my leg fairly badly but nothing too major.
I was told it was because I ran.
It bit a couple of others and once I was outside my unit and saw the thing and stood my ground.
It came hurtling towards me at which point I walked calmly backwards into my unit and stood by the door.
The thing jumped at me and I stuck my foot up and it bit it fortunately with steel toe caps in.
I jumped and kicked it one with my other foot then pulled back and slammed the door shut.
He leaves it often behind a gate which is fine and it's normally quite chilled there.
But if theyforget to lock the gate it can open it.
It saw someone who winds it up non stop the other day went mental opened the gate. Guy gets in his truck and dog jumps all over it then goes over calms down but bites another unit owner.
Not bad just catches his overalls but then bites him again on the arm. The guy wasn't phased and said he was playing which it did look like bit still it's rediculous.
Could that dog be put down if someone reported it?
I mean nobody on site would ever report it including me but I'm worried a customer will come in one day and the thing will escape.
We keep customers away (offer a collection service) because of it.
It's rediculous as some dog trainer's rent his fields some evenings and weekends and the trainer has this rottweiler and doberman cross which everyone is terrified of but he's absolutely fine.
So well trained. I hate dogs but he let him out with me once and the dog wasn't interested.
Then he gave the command to go for the other trainer and the dog does mental (but controlled) and as soon as he gave the command the dog calmed down and went and lay down calm as anything!
Any dog owner who trains a dog to bite, bar a Police dog, is a menace. I wouldn't trust such people to look after a rabbit, let alone something with big teeth. I rent a unit off a guy who owns loads of dogs. Has a big field on the same property as the units.
All the dogs are find except for one. Some Belgium Shepherd thing who is trained to bite but not trained in any control.
Also has a puppy that is getting bigger and now lIves in the same kennel as the bigger one.
He's a tosser of a dog. I've seen the owner set him on someone (who did deserve it to be fair) and the dog near or ripped him to pieces.
However there is no control over the dog and it runs off while being walked now and again and will go for anyone.
It came between two cars once I legged it and it bit my leg fairly badly but nothing too major.
I was told it was because I ran.
It bit a couple of others and once I was outside my unit and saw the thing and stood my ground.
It came hurtling towards me at which point I walked calmly backwards into my unit and stood by the door.
The thing jumped at me and I stuck my foot up and it bit it fortunately with steel toe caps in.
I jumped and kicked it one with my other foot then pulled back and slammed the door shut.
He leaves it often behind a gate which is fine and it's normally quite chilled there.
But if theyforget to lock the gate it can open it.
It saw someone who winds it up non stop the other day went mental opened the gate. Guy gets in his truck and dog jumps all over it then goes over calms down but bites another unit owner.
Not bad just catches his overalls but then bites him again on the arm. The guy wasn't phased and said he was playing which it did look like bit still it's rediculous.
Could that dog be put down if someone reported it?
I mean nobody on site would ever report it including me but I'm worried a customer will come in one day and the thing will escape.
We keep customers away (offer a collection service) because of it.
It's rediculous as some dog trainer's rent his fields some evenings and weekends and the trainer has this rottweiler and doberman cross which everyone is terrified of but he's absolutely fine.
So well trained. I hate dogs but he let him out with me once and the dog wasn't interested.
Then he gave the command to go for the other trainer and the dog does mental (but controlled) and as soon as he gave the command the dog calmed down and went and lay down calm as anything!
Just a nugget of info - when you say 'the trainer has this rottweiler and doberman cross', this dog shall essentially be 75% Rott. The Doberman (my fave breed) was originally bred as the ultimate guard dog. Fast, fearless, and powerful. To create them they took the fastest breed, the Greyhound, and crossed it with one of the most strong and fearless, the Rott. Hence a Dobe is essential a Grey/Rott cross.
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