Removing my front parking sensor this weekend

[Lordglenmorangie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yo...

[hondafanatic]

I think I can hear the faint sound of a flock of parrots heading in my direction but what’s the thread title got to do with the article?

It’s definitly getting louder...

[TooMany2cvs]

hondafanatic said:

I think I can hear the faint sound of a flock of parrots heading in my direction but what’s the thread title got to do with the article?

It’s definitly getting louder...

Bloke gets nicked "because" Police spot a box fitted to front bumper of car that jams camera's laser.
OP suggests removing parking sensors so that he can better hide the jammer.

In practice, bloke got nicked because the guy in the van noted down that car registration <X> blocked laser from recording speed. The film could then be used to reverse-calculate the speed anyway, to add the speeding onto the PCoJ charge. I doubt the visibility of a box that might easily be a garage door opener is particularly relevant...

[dogbucket]

Looks like the same model I had fitted to a few previous cars. Didnt bother moving it to my latest car so it is in a box somewhere, more out of laziness than anything else. I am guessing he had it set to continuously jam rather than auto switch off after 5-6secs to allow a reading and reduce suspicion.

[dogbucket]

TooMany2cvs said:

Bloke gets nicked "because" Police spot a box fitted to front bumper of car that jams camera's laser.
OP suggests removing parking sensors so that he can better hide the jammer.

Not quite. Such devices also have a basic parking sensor function and were sold as such as some sort of defence. The jamming was therefore incidental to there 'intended' purpose. But difficult to argue that when they run firmware designed to capture and analyse the incoming stream and fire back the corresponding reply in the correct time window to confuse the speed gun.

[Steve57]

i still have the automatic garage door opener in the garage somewhere too.

[essayer]

Steve57 said:

i still have the automatic garage door opener in the garage somewhere too.

I tried to sell my garage door opener on eBay but they removed it

[abiit]

dogbucket said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Bloke gets nicked "because" Police spot a box fitted to front bumper of car that jams camera's laser.
OP suggests removing parking sensors so that he can better hide the jammer.

Not quite. Such devices also have a basic parking sensor function and were sold as such as some sort of defence. The jamming was therefore incidental to there 'intended' purpose. But difficult to argue that when they run firmware designed to capture and analyse the incoming stream and fire back the corresponding reply in the correct time window to confuse the speed gun.

It is difficult to argue because it is completely bogus, as is the garage door opener. Neither functions need to react to a laser speed gun but they do.

dogbucket said:

Looks like the same model I had fitted to a few previous cars. Didnt bother moving it to my latest car so it is in a box somewhere, more out of laziness than anything else. I am guessing he had it set to continuously jam rather than auto switch off after 5-6secs to allow a reading and reduce suspicion.

No it was a Laser Pro Park set to 8 secs

TooMany2cvs said:

Bloke gets nicked "because" Police spot a box fitted to front bumper of car that jams camera's laser.
OP suggests removing parking sensors so that he can better hide the jammer.

In practice, bloke got nicked because the guy in the van noted down that car registration <X> blocked laser from recording speed. The film could then be used to reverse-calculate the speed anyway, to add the speeding onto the PCoJ charge. I doubt the visibility of a box that might easily be a garage door opener is particularly relevant...

Speed was below the speed limit when it could be measured.

[Lordglenmorangie]

I am removing the front parking device which could be construed as a laser jammer because I don’t want to be in the position of the chap who got a right doing over by the North Yorkshire Police.

[anonymous-user]

That would I suggest be an over reaction. That bloke was taking the piss. A boggo parking sensor would be fine.

[TooMany2cvs]

Lordglenmorangie said:

I am removing the front parking device which could be construed as a laser jammer because I don’t want to be in the position of the chap who got a right doing over by the North Yorkshire Police.

How on earth could a "parking device" possibly be construed as a laser jammer? Unless, of course, it DOES jam camera lasers amongst its range of features...?

The presence of the black box under the bumper is totally secondary in this. He was nicked because the camera didn't get a lock on him. It was when Police investigated why that they discovered the jammer. I doubt it was just the once.

[hondafanatic]

Lordglenmorangie said:

I am removing the front parking device which could be construed as a laser jammer because I don’t want to be in the position of the chap who got a right doing over by the North Yorkshire Police.

I thought that’s what you were alluding to but I also thought nobody could overreact to one article and decide to butcher their front bumper.

Turned out it wasn’t parrots after all.

[Gnits]

Kind of diverting the thread a little but why don't they make these devices return a distorted signal that makes the laser 'think' the vehicle is going slower than it is, rather than an error which is immediately spotted?

[grunge]

TooMany2cvs said:

Lordglenmorangie said:

I am removing the front parking device which could be construed as a laser jammer because I don’t want to be in the position of the chap who got a right doing over by the North Yorkshire Police.

How on earth could a "parking device" possibly be construed as a laser jammer? Unless, of course, it DOES jam camera lasers amongst its range of features...?

The presence of the black box under the bumper is totally secondary in this. He was nicked because the camera didn't get a lock on him. It was when Police investigated why that they discovered the jammer. I doubt it was just the once.

Well it does have a jamming function in its range of features. The whole point is that it doesn't need to have that as a feature. That jamming feature need not be included but the manufacturers go to great trouble to do 2 things:
1. They program in the laser speed gun recognition and jamming feature
2. They sell the things with the tongue-in-cheek parking sensor/garage door opener cover story saying the police will never work that out.

The police have worked it out and so has the courts. As the judge in York said, "that's a likely story" or words to that effect, as did the jury of course.

Edited by grunge on Sunday 5th November 09:09

[Far Cough]

Piss poor preparation precedes piss poor performance - badly fitted and pretty obvious. I think the sentencing is ridiculous. Come to London and sit in the back of any magistrate court and drug possessing knife carrying gang hoodies get less

[anonymous-user]

PCOJ always gets a stiff sentence because it's an attack on the system. The dude was lucky to have the custody suspended.

Knife crime sentencing guidance indicates that custody is pretty standard for knife carriers, but if you mean general non knifey hoody yobbery, that does not always attract custodial sentences.

[BOF]

Frank Carson reckoned that after he had his heart Pacemaker fitted, every time he farted his garage door opened...

BOF

[Lordglenmorangie]

Far Cough said:

Piss poor preparation precedes piss poor performance - badly fitted and pretty obvious. I think the sentencing is ridiculous. Come to London and sit in the back of any magistrate court and drug possessing knife carrying gang hoodies get less

My thoughts exactly, doubt a motorist would be treated like that in Russia , it’s bloody scary .

[Lordglenmorangie]

Breadvan72 said:

That would I suggest be an over reaction. That bloke was taking the piss. A boggo parking sensor would be fine.

You could be right, but they are not parking or door openers, and the penalties are disproportionate in my opinion. Not a risk I would take as it clear the police and the courts are not mucking about on this issue.

[anonymous-user]

Calm down, Pastor Niemoller! How many innocent motorists have been jailed for PCOJ? The papers don't seem to be full of stories of such travesties.