Removing my front parking sensor this weekend

[TooMany2cvs]

jm doc said:

TooMany2cvs said:

jm doc said:

Let's lock up all those involved in the speed scam industry. Hopefully that might actually do something to improve our roads.

Are you seriously trying to claim that roads would be safer if there was zero enforcement of speed limits, or even no limits...?

Strawman. That's never been suggested.

Looks very like PRECISELY that to me. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to elaborate, if that isn't what you were meaning?

jm doc said:

You (and other sheeple/trolls posting here) clearly love this, especially when you have to "bend over and take it like a man" as has been posted many times on here.

EVERY SINGLE TIME I've been nicked for speeding over the years, it's been because I've been taking the piss and not paying attention - and I've never had anything more than a 3pt FPN or a half day of tea and biccies. I've been done twice in quick succession on two occasions - both times, because I've failed to take the hint. Both times, I've got back to "clean, Mr Insurance" without further incident, because I HAVE taken the hint - and not because I've suddenly started to drive like Morgan Freeman with Jessica Tandy in the back.

For every single time I've been nicked, there have been THOUSANDS of similar offences that I really, really would not like to be taken into consideration, thank you very much. So, yes, I can take it on occasion, because I'm not a whinger who doesn't understand cause and effect.

[jm doc]

TooMany2cvs said:

jm doc said:

TooMany2cvs said:

jm doc said:

Let's lock up all those involved in the speed scam industry. Hopefully that might actually do something to improve our roads.

Are you seriously trying to claim that roads would be safer if there was zero enforcement of speed limits, or even no limits...?

Strawman. That's never been suggested.

Looks very like PRECISELY that to me. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to elaborate, if that isn't what you were meaning?

jm doc said:

You (and other sheeple/trolls posting here) clearly love this, especially when you have to "bend over and take it like a man" as has been posted many times on here.

EVERY SINGLE TIME I've been nicked for speeding over the years, it's been because I've been taking the piss and not paying attention - and I've never had anything more than a 3pt FPN or a half day of tea and biccies. I've been done twice in quick succession on two occasions - both times, because I've failed to take the hint. Both times, I've got back to "clean, Mr Insurance" without further incident, because I HAVE taken the hint - and not because I've suddenly started to drive like Morgan Freeman with Jessica Tandy in the back.

For every single time I've been nicked, there have been THOUSANDS of similar offences that I really, really would not like to be taken into consideration, thank you very much. So, yes, I can take it on occasion, because I'm not a whinger who doesn't understand cause and effect.

There's a massive difference between the speedscam industry and law enforcement of speed limits, but hey, you don't get it, that's fine.

And it's not the hint, as you put it, that you've taken, it's the obey without question while we shake out your wallet, stick it up you and send you on your way. And it's alright cos you're not a whinger. Congratulations, your leaders love you.

[TooMany2cvs]

jm doc said:

TooMany2cvs said:

jm doc said:

TooMany2cvs said:

jm doc said:

Let's lock up all those involved in the speed scam industry. Hopefully that might actually do something to improve our roads.

Are you seriously trying to claim that roads would be safer if there was zero enforcement of speed limits, or even no limits...?

Strawman. That's never been suggested.

Looks very like PRECISELY that to me. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to elaborate, if that isn't what you were meaning?

jm doc said:

You (and other sheeple/trolls posting here) clearly love this, especially when you have to "bend over and take it like a man" as has been posted many times on here.

EVERY SINGLE TIME I've been nicked for speeding over the years, it's been because I've been taking the piss and not paying attention - and I've never had anything more than a 3pt FPN or a half day of tea and biccies. I've been done twice in quick succession on two occasions - both times, because I've failed to take the hint. Both times, I've got back to "clean, Mr Insurance" without further incident, because I HAVE taken the hint - and not because I've suddenly started to drive like Morgan Freeman with Jessica Tandy in the back.

For every single time I've been nicked, there have been THOUSANDS of similar offences that I really, really would not like to be taken into consideration, thank you very much. So, yes, I can take it on occasion, because I'm not a whinger who doesn't understand cause and effect.

There's a massive difference between the speedscam industry and law enforcement of speed limits, but hey, you don't get it, that's fine.

Except for the minor detail that you seem to regard any and every speed limit enforcement as "the speed scam industry".

jm doc said:

And it's not the hint, as you put it, that you've taken, it's the obey without question while we shake out your wallet, stick it up you and send you on your way. And it's alright cos you're not a whinger. Congratulations, your leaders love you.

See what I mean? You know ZERO about the circumstances of any of those tickets - but they're automatically a shake-down.

[4rephill]

jm doc said:

There's a massive difference between the speedscam industry and law enforcement of speed limits, but hey, you don't get it, that's fine.......

Come on then, tell the World exactly what the "massive" difference is.

When it comes to speeding offences, both the camera's and the Police Officers can only enforce the posted speed limits. Neither are enforcing some sort of secret, hidden speed limit.

The fact that you do not agree with the posted speed limits involved is irrelevant, like them or not, they are the limits that you should be obeying, and by exceeding them, you risk prosecution.

Were the speed limits not posted anywhere, so drivers had no clue as to what limit they should be obeying then yes, I could see where it could be claimed that there is a scam involved, but that's not the case.

You seem to be under the impression that the cameras are just a money making exercise, but the fact is, they only make money if people disobey the speed limits. If people don't speed, the camera's don't make money - It's hardly rocket science!

Comparison's with "Driving Miss Daisy" don't really help your case because, ideally, that's how the authorities would like you to drive - In a calm, courteous manner, not taking silly chances on the roads, not driving in a manner unsuitable to the conditions, and not exceeding the speed limits - All reason's why we have so many accidents on our roads, and so many fatalities.

At the end of the day, the only real difference between: " speedscam industry and law enforcement of speed limits" is where the money goes. Both are set up to counter the exact same thing - People breaking the speed limits!

[JNW1]

4rephill said:

Come on then, tell the World exactly what the "massive" difference is.

When it comes to speeding offences, both the camera's and the Police Officers can only enforce the posted speed limits. Neither are enforcing some sort of secret, hidden speed limit.

I'd have thought the main difference is pretty obvious which is cameras enforce limits purely by reference to pre-determined criteria and, unlike a trained traffic officer, don't look at all the circumstances surrounding an offence and have no power of discretion.

Of course there will be instances - perhaps even many instances - where a trained traffic officer would reach the same conclusion as a camera and issue the offender with a ticket. Equally, though, I suspect there will be occasions where that isn't the case; for example, unless they were bored or having a very bad day I doubt many traffic officers would pull someone over and issue a NIP purely for doing 80mph on a quiet stretch of dual carriageway.

Whether that constitutes a "massive" difference is obviously a matter of opinion but personally I'd say it's quite a significant one....

[cmaguire]

4rephill said:

All reason's why we have so many accidents on our roads, and so many fatalities.

We don't though.

They really should devote themselves to banging another drum,

[jm doc]

4rephill said:

jm doc said:

There's a massive difference between the speedscam industry and law enforcement of speed limits, but hey, you don't get it, that's fine.......

Come on then, tell the World exactly what the "massive" difference is.

When it comes to speeding offences, both the camera's and the Police Officers can only enforce the posted speed limits. Neither are enforcing some sort of secret, hidden speed limit.

The fact that you do not agree with the posted speed limits involved is irrelevant, like them or not, they are the limits that you should be obeying, and by exceeding them, you risk prosecution.

Were the speed limits not posted anywhere, so drivers had no clue as to what limit they should be obeying then yes, I could see where it could be claimed that there is a scam involved, but that's not the case.

You seem to be under the impression that the cameras are just a money making exercise, but the fact is, they only make money if people disobey the speed limits. If people don't speed, the camera's don't make money - It's hardly rocket science!

Comparison's with "Driving Miss Daisy" don't really help your case because, ideally, that's how the authorities would like you to drive - In a calm, courteous manner, not taking silly chances on the roads, not driving in a manner unsuitable to the conditions, and not exceeding the speed limits - All reason's why we have so many accidents on our roads, and so many fatalities.

At the end of the day, the only real difference between: " speedscam industry and law enforcement of speed limits" is where the money goes. Both are set up to counter the exact same thing - People breaking the speed limits!

Just an utter load of bks. Get a life

Edited by jm doc on Saturday 11th November 21:07

Edited by jm doc on Saturday 11th November 21:08

[AW111]

jm doc said:

Just an utter load of bks. Get a life

Edited by jm doc on Saturday 11th November 21:07

Edited by jm doc on Saturday 11th November 21:08

"Get a life" says the man who's having massive arguments on two threads simultaneously

[jm doc]

AW111 said:

jm doc said:

Just an utter load of bks. Get a life

Edited by jm doc on Saturday 11th November 21:07

Edited by jm doc on Saturday 11th November 21:08

"Get a life" says the man who's having massive arguments on two threads simultaneously

Says someone with almost 4000 posts in 4 years

[RGC63]

Only cheap jammers throw up E codes,

Or your asking for trouble if you head stick out like a sore thumb ( Like In the original pic )

Or if your in the habit of getting Zapped twice as day and think your invincible

Some of the new jammers like Stinger Freedom CANNOT be seen, The transmitter is 2mm round and the receiver is smaller than a 20p coin,

The ALP system has a usb where all the control software is on a micro usb on a lead that can be anywhere you like, So when the usb is pulled, Say if you though you were getting a tug or when parking at home after seeing a Scamera van when out and about the system is no longer and CANNOT be mad to work as a jammer without your personal code ( on the usb ) supplied by ALP in the USA,

It reverts to a parking assist system,

So, Any worry's, pull the usb and eat / chuck / Hide it and unless when tugged you say " yes I had a operational jammer " your scot free, It CANNOT be proved you had a jammer operational unless..

1/ You admit it
2/ The twig the system you have ( unlikely ) And then find the USB stick and bring the system back to life

So..

1/ Don't fit a cheap ass system
2/ Make sure its fitted discretely
3/ Don't be a Ass
4/ if you think you have failed the above and MIGHT get a visit pull the heads off ( they are only held on with double sided tape ) and disconnect and remove the head units, They are on easy to disconnect connections
5/ If the bib want a chat SAY NOTHING, The Bib are not your friends, They are just wanting you to give verbal evidence against yourself.

[anonymous-user]

Lurks for ten months. First post is encouragement to commit an offence that often results in prison. Top PH-ing!

[Geekman]

Breadvan72 said:

Lurks for ten months. First post is encouragement to commit an offence that often results in prison. Top PH-ing!

He's right though, which is more than you can say for a lot of people on this thread. The right system, used correctly, would not land you in the same situation as the guy in the article.

Personally, it all seems far too much money and effort to avoid a speeding ticket. But it's a shame that people like you criticise other posters simply for giving information - it's not like he's forcing you to go out and buy one, is he?

[anonymous-user]

It's a shame that "people like me" criticise someone for encouraging people to commit serious offences to avoid being done for minor ones? Yes, that makes sense.

[Geekman]

Breadvan72 said:

It's a shame that "people like me" criticise someone for encouraging people to commit serious offences to avoid being done for minor ones? Yes, that makes sense.

How is he encouraging anyone to commit an offence? He's simply explaining how one such system works.

[anonymous-user]

Yeah right.

[Paperweight]

RGC63 said:

Only cheap jammers throw up E codes,

Or your asking for trouble if you head stick out like a sore thumb ( Like In the original pic )

Or if your in the habit of getting Zapped twice as day and think your invincible

Some of the new jammers like Stinger Freedom CANNOT be seen, The transmitter is 2mm round and the receiver is smaller than a 20p coin,

The ALP system has a usb where all the control software is on a micro usb on a lead that can be anywhere you like, So when the usb is pulled, Say if you though you were getting a tug or when parking at home after seeing a Scamera van when out and about the system is no longer and CANNOT be mad to work as a jammer without your personal code ( on the usb ) supplied by ALP in the USA,

It reverts to a parking assist system,

So, Any worry's, pull the usb and eat / chuck / Hide it and unless when tugged you say " yes I had a operational jammer " your scot free, It CANNOT be proved you had a jammer operational unless..

1/ You admit it
2/ The twig the system you have ( unlikely ) And then find the USB stick and bring the system back to life

So..

1/ Don't fit a cheap ass system
2/ Make sure its fitted discretely
3/ Don't be a Ass
4/ if you think you have failed the above and MIGHT get a visit pull the heads off ( they are only held on with double sided tape ) and disconnect and remove the head units, They are on easy to disconnect connections
5/ If the bib want a chat SAY NOTHING, The Bib are not your friends, They are just wanting you to give verbal evidence against yourself.

Oh dear, what complete nonsense.

A qualified operator will be alerted for unusual alarms or indeed no alarms. It is also well known that some jammers are multi-functional and have ruses to remove or disable the jamming function.

Most, but not all, laser speed measurements are supported by video recordings that can be examined to see if there are circumstances that are unusual and indicate shenanigans by the driver.

Here’s how I see it playing out:
Officer attempts measurement of car and doesn’t see a speed, alarms not usual or no alarms.
Alert investigators.
Seize vehicle and get specialist to examine vehicle.
Examiner is not at all confused by the equipment and explains to the police that not only has it interfered with the measurement but the driver/owner or both have deliberately taken action to cover up the jamming function of the equipment found.
Court hears the story and considers their verdict. In one case I have seen the judge explains to the jury that they might not want to be duped by the deliberate “additional functions that suggests that people are stupid and gullible”.
Jury sees the ruse to cover the function and makes the right decision
Driver is found guilty of perverting justice and sentenced to a prison term.

So do you feel lucky? I’m figuring from your post you are not only feeling lucky but are also delusional if you think the police and courts are not wise to any Jammer including those that cost £thousands not only £100’s.

After all, if you know about them why shouldn’t someone else.

Here’s looking at for you.

Edited by Paperweight on Monday 20th November 07:34

[Durzel]

Breadvan72 said:

Yeah right.

Ever noticed a pool of water on the floor in your local supermarket? Perhaps a ladder that has been left unattended? Have you noticed a local business that has a raised floor tile that could cause you to trip? I'm not saying that you could make a claim, only suggesting what sort of claims could be made....

*winks suggestively until eyelid stops working*

[anonymous-user]

You can probably sue someone for that eyelid thing. Big mega kerching, I should coco.

[Boosted LS1]

There must be many occasions when a gun doesn't get a reading straight away. The bib can't go and investigate every car that fails to give a speed indication. That would take up a lot of resources. Obviously if somebody is behaving like a cock they'll draw lots of attention and get looked at.

[jm doc]

Paperweight said:

RGC63 said:

Only cheap jammers throw up E codes,

Or your asking for trouble if you head stick out like a sore thumb ( Like In the original pic )

Or if your in the habit of getting Zapped twice as day and think your invincible

Some of the new jammers like Stinger Freedom CANNOT be seen, The transmitter is 2mm round and the receiver is smaller than a 20p coin,

The ALP system has a usb where all the control software is on a micro usb on a lead that can be anywhere you like, So when the usb is pulled, Say if you though you were getting a tug or when parking at home after seeing a Scamera van when out and about the system is no longer and CANNOT be mad to work as a jammer without your personal code ( on the usb ) supplied by ALP in the USA,

It reverts to a parking assist system,

So, Any worry's, pull the usb and eat / chuck / Hide it and unless when tugged you say " yes I had a operational jammer " your scot free, It CANNOT be proved you had a jammer operational unless..

1/ You admit it
2/ The twig the system you have ( unlikely ) And then find the USB stick and bring the system back to life

So..

1/ Don't fit a cheap ass system
2/ Make sure its fitted discretely
3/ Don't be a Ass
4/ if you think you have failed the above and MIGHT get a visit pull the heads off ( they are only held on with double sided tape ) and disconnect and remove the head units, They are on easy to disconnect connections
5/ If the bib want a chat SAY NOTHING, The Bib are not your friends, They are just wanting you to give verbal evidence against yourself.

Oh dear, what complete nonsense.

A qualified operator will be alerted for unusual alarms or indeed no alarms. It is also well known that some jammers are multi-functional and have ruses to remove or disable the jamming function.

Most, but not all, laser speed measurements are supported by video recordings that can be examined to see if there are circumstances that are unusual and indicate shenanigans by the driver.

Here’s how I see it playing out:
Officer attempts measurement of car and doesn’t see a speed, alarms not usual or no alarms.
Alert investigators.
Seize vehicle and get specialist to examine vehicle.
Examiner is not at all confused by the equipment and explains to the police that not only has it interfered with the measurement but the driver/owner or both have deliberately taken action to cover up the jamming function of the equipment found.
Court hears the story and considers their verdict. In one case I have seen the judge explains to the jury that they might not want to be duped by the deliberate “additional functions that suggests that people are stupid and gullible”.
Jury sees the ruse to cover the function and makes the right decision
Driver is found guilty of perverting justice and sentenced to a prison term.

So do you feel lucky? I’m figuring from your post you are not only feeling lucky but are also delusional if you think the police and courts are not wise to any Jammer including those that cost £thousands not only £100’s.

After all, if you know about them why shouldn’t someone else.

Here’s looking at for you.

Edited by Paperweight on Monday 20th November 07:34

Really???
It's perfectly legal to own a laser parking sensor.

As I understand the law, you have to PROVE that the person did what you allege they did. i.e., not that they owned it as this is legal, and not even that it may have been switched on which is also legal, but actually that it was switched on deliberately to prevent a man with a speed gun measuring your speed. Just asserting something does not make it true.

Now I'm not sure how you prove that someone, who owns something that is perfectly legal to own, and that does work as a parking sensor, and that he does have need of said parking sensor, bought the device to pervert the course of justice. Simple ownership of a legal device can surely never be said to be a criminal offence.

I will go further and say that in no other offence, without a confession, would such a ludicrous assertion even considered for prosecution.

The fact that it is even considered by some on here to be acceptable is a perfect demonstration how corrupt and incestuous the speeding industry and justice system have become.