Removing my front parking sensor this weekend
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i know we are probably going over old ground again here, but i still can't get my head around it
laser jammers, trick number plates and even flashing other motorist to warn them of a speed camera can all end up as perverting the course of justice
Yet things like wearing a mask to hide your face and gloves to avoid leaving prints while committing other crimes never seems to result in such a charge.
What is the distinction ?
laser jammers, trick number plates and even flashing other motorist to warn them of a speed camera can all end up as perverting the course of justice
Yet things like wearing a mask to hide your face and gloves to avoid leaving prints while committing other crimes never seems to result in such a charge.
What is the distinction ?
If you catch the masked and gloved burglar then you can pot him for the burglary, itself a serious offence. When you get people cheating about minor offences like speeding, there is more sense in focusing on the cheating rather than on the underlying offence.
You could in principle try every villain who fibs in court, is not believed, and then gets jailed, for the separate crime of perjury, but then you waste resources on satellite prosecutions.
You could in principle try every villain who fibs in court, is not believed, and then gets jailed, for the separate crime of perjury, but then you waste resources on satellite prosecutions.
k you, I am above the law". So, out of pure interest, if that box had been fitted better (i.e. recessed into the bumper grills instead of plonked in front of it), is it likely the police would have been able to seize the car?
I doubt this was an isolated incident for the driver, so I won't lose any sleep for the chancer.
He'd be better off with a muddy car, surely? It would be hard to prove that the mud was applied to specifically defeat speed checks, unlike a device that beeps.
Ian
I doubt this was an isolated incident for the driver, so I won't lose any sleep for the chancer.
He'd be better off with a muddy car, surely? It would be hard to prove that the mud was applied to specifically defeat speed checks, unlike a device that beeps.
Ian
essayer said:
Steve57 said:
i still have the automatic garage door opener in the garage somewhere too. 
I tried to sell my garage door opener on eBay but they removed it 
I guess it's going to stay there now, if eBay won't sell them.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2805822/arrogant-exe...
'police were able to reverse engineer speed from footage.
'police were able to reverse engineer speed from footage.
Ian Geary said:
So, out of pure interest, if that box had been fitted better (i.e. recessed into the bumper grills instead of plonked in front of it), is it likely the police would have been able to seize the car?
I believe the speed guns display an error message which is virtually never triggered except when a jammer is in operation. I think a magistrate would accept that several such errors on a single vehicle where it worked perfectly before and after is sufficient evidence for a search warrant on a vehicle.Gareth79 said:
I believe the speed guns display an error message which is virtually never triggered except when a jammer is in operation. I think a magistrate would accept that several such errors on a single vehicle where it worked perfectly before and after is sufficient evidence for a search warrant on a vehicle.
No chance .... intelligence enough for a warrant is now so different to old days that the offence has virtually got to be complete to pass the threshold. Errors whilst using a laser are easily replicated , user error , shakey hand , dirty number plate , wrong angle etc etc.
Now if the same car came to the attention of plod several times then a case may stick , pnc marker placed on the car for example.
Again , user error on behalf of the suspect as he could have reacted to the alert slowed down and allowed plod to get a reading. Anomalous readings are the norm and once a reading was taken plod would have moved onto the next car and none of this would be news. Its a volume thing .
I quite often come across these and have also had some pcoj convictions. The new lasers we use actually detect if a jammer is being used, alerts the operator then re-reads the speed on a different spectrum to gain a speed reading. All in the space of under a second.
Had a jam alert last week so went after the car. Was very well hidden but still alerts us a jammer is there.
Had a jam alert last week so went after the car. Was very well hidden but still alerts us a jammer is there.
HantsRat said:
I quite often come across these and have also had some pcoj convictions. The new lasers we use actually detect if a jammer is being used, alerts the operator then re-reads the speed on a different spectrum to gain a speed reading. All in the space of under a second.
Had a jam alert last week so went after the car. Was very well hidden but still alerts us a jammer is there.
what happened when you caught up? words of wisdom or something sterner?Had a jam alert last week so went after the car. Was very well hidden but still alerts us a jammer is there.
HantsRat said:
I quite often come across these and have also had some pcoj convictions. The new lasers we use actually detect if a jammer is being used, alerts the operator then re-reads the speed on a different spectrum to gain a speed reading. All in the space of under a second.
Had a jam alert last week so went after the car. Was very well hidden but still alerts us a jammer is there.
What is the make and model you use now, just curious to read the specs?Had a jam alert last week so went after the car. Was very well hidden but still alerts us a jammer is there.
HantsRat said:
jm doc said:
Yes, REALLY serious
Look it up. Pcoj is very serious indeed. It's certainly a perversion of the concept of law and order, and justice, in the view of many people that I get to meet and talk to.
ging84 said:
i know we are probably going over old ground again here, but i still can't get my head around it
laser jammers, trick number plates and even flashing other motorist to warn them of a speed camera can all end up as perverting the course of justice
Yet things like wearing a mask to hide your face and gloves to avoid leaving prints while committing other crimes never seems to result in such a charge.
What is the distinction ?
The old ground: laser jammers, trick number plates and even flashing other motorist to warn them of a speed camera can all end up as perverting the course of justice
Yet things like wearing a mask to hide your face and gloves to avoid leaving prints while committing other crimes never seems to result in such a charge.
What is the distinction ?
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