Removing my front parking sensor this weekend
Discussion
jm doc said:
Yes, really. And massively increasing speed limit enforcement but denying it ("an end to the war on motorists") whilst at the same time imposing huge reductions in speed limits on roads all round the country with no warning or significant consultation. What do you call that then? Perverting the course of justice??
It's certainly a perversion of the concept of law and order, and justice, in the view of many people that I get to meet and talk to.
That's really an argument you need to put across to your MP to lobby in parliament. I'm talking about the law on fitting laser jammers here not speed enforcement or speed limits. It's certainly a perversion of the concept of law and order, and justice, in the view of many people that I get to meet and talk to.
Jamming a speed gun is a wilful attempt to evade prosecution, and is therefore obviously perverting the course of justice. No one could argue that having one fitted is accidental or anything but a deliberate act (despite all the s
te about automatic garage openers, etc)
PCoJ has severe penalties for obvious reasons already mentioned. Don't know why there is any real surprise over the sentence, if anything the guy was very lucky to get a suspended sentence.
EDIT: The problem with this stuff is that people disregard intent because they're blinded by "the war on motorists". It's pretty much irrelevant what ancilliary offence you might have been charged with had you not had the jammer fitted & active. If you have one of these fitted, it's never an accident, you know exactly what you're doing and it's no different whatsoever to any other intentional act to aid oneself or others in evading lawful prosecution, hence the charge.
te about automatic garage openers, etc)PCoJ has severe penalties for obvious reasons already mentioned. Don't know why there is any real surprise over the sentence, if anything the guy was very lucky to get a suspended sentence.
EDIT: The problem with this stuff is that people disregard intent because they're blinded by "the war on motorists". It's pretty much irrelevant what ancilliary offence you might have been charged with had you not had the jammer fitted & active. If you have one of these fitted, it's never an accident, you know exactly what you're doing and it's no different whatsoever to any other intentional act to aid oneself or others in evading lawful prosecution, hence the charge.
Edited by Durzel on Tuesday 7th November 12:56
HantsRat said:
superlightr said:
what happened when you caught up? words of wisdom or something sterner?
Vehicle seized, driver arrested pcoj. A laser jammer would never be disposed of with words of wisdom. It's a very serious offence. Words of wisdom may well have had the desired effect of educating and altering behaviour especially when the thought process may have been its just a way to perhaps not get a ticket and a bit of a wheeze.
Some words of wisdom from two traffic officers in the past (15 yrs ago) may have been given on this very issue and a snip of a penknife and offending item may have then become disconnected and in the nearest bin. (ooorrr misses) which may have been very effective at educating and not ruining a career so I'm told.
Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 7th November 16:48
Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 7th November 16:50
Durzel said:
Jamming a speed gun is a wilful attempt to evade prosecution, and is therefore obviously perverting the course of justice. No one could argue that having one fitted is accidental or anything but a deliberate act (despite all the ste about automatic garage openers, etc)
PCoJ has severe penalties for obvious reasons already mentioned. Don't know why there is any real surprise over the sentence, if anything the guy was very lucky to get a suspended sentence.
EDIT: The problem with this stuff is that people disregard intent because they're blinded by "the war on motorists". It's pretty much irrelevant what ancilliary offence you might have been charged with had you not had the jammer fitted & active. If you have one of these fitted, it's never an accident, you know exactly what you're doing and it's no different whatsoever to any other intentional act to aid oneself or others in evading lawful prosecution, hence the charge.
I don't think most people realise its viewed with such seriousness as per my post above. Its a speeding ticket. That's the limit of thought that someone may be avoiding not about bringing down the justice system itself.te about automatic garage openers, etc)PCoJ has severe penalties for obvious reasons already mentioned. Don't know why there is any real surprise over the sentence, if anything the guy was very lucky to get a suspended sentence.
EDIT: The problem with this stuff is that people disregard intent because they're blinded by "the war on motorists". It's pretty much irrelevant what ancilliary offence you might have been charged with had you not had the jammer fitted & active. If you have one of these fitted, it's never an accident, you know exactly what you're doing and it's no different whatsoever to any other intentional act to aid oneself or others in evading lawful prosecution, hence the charge.
Edited by Durzel on Tuesday 7th November 12:56
Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 7th November 16:52
Durzel said:
If you have one of these fitted, it's never an accident, you know exactly what you're doing and it's no different whatsoever to any other intentional act to aid oneself or others in evading lawful prosecution, hence the charge.
Just like wearing gloves and a balaclava when you go stealing.HantsRat said:
jm doc said:
Yes, really. And massively increasing speed limit enforcement but denying it ("an end to the war on motorists") whilst at the same time imposing huge reductions in speed limits on roads all round the country with no warning or significant consultation. What do you call that then? Perverting the course of justice??
It's certainly a perversion of the concept of law and order, and justice, in the view of many people that I get to meet and talk to.
That's really an argument you need to put across to your MP to lobby in parliament. I'm talking about the law on fitting laser jammers here not speed enforcement or speed limits. It's certainly a perversion of the concept of law and order, and justice, in the view of many people that I get to meet and talk to.
superlightr said:
HantsRat said:
superlightr said:
what happened when you caught up? words of wisdom or something sterner?
Vehicle seized, driver arrested pcoj. A laser jammer would never be disposed of with words of wisdom. It's a very serious offence. Words of wisdom may well have had the desired effect of educating and altering behaviour especially when the thought process may have been its just a way to perhaps not get a ticket and a bit of a wheeze.
Some words of wisdom from two traffic officers in the past (15 yrs ago) may have been given on this very issue and a snip of a penknife and offending item may have then become disconnected and in the nearest bin. (ooorrr misses) which may have been very effective at educating and not ruining a career so I'm told.
It may well be a blessing that you are not setting the penalties for road traffic offences.
Breadvan72 said:
I must be missing all this war on motorists stuff. I drive about all over the place, quite often faster than the posted limits (not in urban areas). Every few years I get a speeding ticket. Is that a bullet or a medal in this exciting war?
Depends which car you were in ... exceeding the limit in some of them would definitely be worth commemorating speedking31 said:
ust like wearing gloves and a balaclava when you go stealing.
Except neither wearing gloves or a balaclava is a criminal offence, and committing a criminal offence whilst incidentally wearing them will see you charged with whatever that offence is (if you're identified) Laser jammers serve no lawful purpose other than to evade prosecution. Operating one is an act "tending and intended to pervert a course of justice"
Don't vehicle distance sensors send out signals on the same frequency and if so wouldn't they interfere with police laser on the public frequency?
Would de-chroming the front of my car be PCOJ or would I be ok if I said I wanted the custom matt black look?
The clown who got done must have been 'hit' more then once and admitted why he had a jammer and not a parking sensor, surely?
Would de-chroming the front of my car be PCOJ or would I be ok if I said I wanted the custom matt black look?
The clown who got done must have been 'hit' more then once and admitted why he had a jammer and not a parking sensor, surely?
Edited by Boosted LS1 on Tuesday 7th November 20:38
Durzel said:
speedking31 said:
ust like wearing gloves and a balaclava when you go stealing.
Except neither wearing gloves or a balaclava is a criminal offence, and committing a criminal offence whilst incidentally wearing them will see you charged with whatever that offence is (if you're identified) Laser jammers serve no lawful purpose other than to evade prosecution. Operating one is an act "tending and intended to pervert a course of justice"
I must add that my car has standard fitted parking sensors and would have no need of a laser parking sensor. Fitting one under these circumstances would not be appropriate in the current climate
HantsRat said:
It's a very serious offence.
I couldn't have any less respect for police if I tried.PS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo
Edited by 220s plenty on Wednesday 8th November 00:54
Boosted LS1 said:
Don't vehicle distance sensors send out signals on the same frequency and if so wouldn't they interfere with police laser on the public frequency?
No they don’t interfere at all. Laser jammers do though.Boosted LS1 said:
Would de-chroming the front of my car be PCOJ or would I be ok if I said I wanted the custom matt black look?
no, Matt Black is fine. Boosted LS1 said:
The clown who got done must have been 'hit' more then once and admitted why he had a jammer and not a parking sensor, surely?
No he didn’t admit anything, he defended it in a 3 day trial.Edited by Farmer21 on Wednesday 8th November 07:24
jm doc said:
They are also used as parking sensors. They are completely legal to buy and operate as such. I suppose you could also use them to maintain a specific distance to a car in front of you as some vehicles already have fitted as standard. And as far as I'm aware it is not possible to prove that they actually jammed a laser speed detector, and even then the prosecution would have to prove intent. I'm not sure how they would do that unless you had a purchase request in your car, headed "please supply me with a laser jammer"
I must add that my car has standard fitted parking sensors and would have no need of a laser parking sensor. Fitting one under these circumstances would not be appropriate in the current climate
The prosecution proved both to a jury of 12.I must add that my car has standard fitted parking sensors and would have no need of a laser parking sensor. Fitting one under these circumstances would not be appropriate in the current climate
220s plenty said:
HantsRat said:
It's a very serious offence.
I couldn't have any less respect for police if I tried.PS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo
Edited by 220s plenty on Wednesday 8th November 00:54
k the Police T shirt for his next lonely birthday? Flooble said:
Breadvan72 said:
I must be missing all this war on motorists stuff. I drive about all over the place, quite often faster than the posted limits (not in urban areas). Every few years I get a speeding ticket. Is that a bullet or a medal in this exciting war?
Depends which car you were in ... exceeding the limit in some of them would definitely be worth commemorating HantsRat said:
Vehicle seized, driver arrested pcoj. A laser jammer would never be disposed of with words of wisdom. It's a very serious offence.
How about fighting some real crime. Too scared to chase knife wielding scooter riders. How about actually driving your car and van and catching the really dangerous drivers that are a real menace but come under the radar as they are not speeding.
The phone users, tail haters, aggressive drivers, MLMS etc
Oh I forgot. Not easy pickings and they don't fill the coffers. Actually involves work.
It's fekin anarchy on the roads these days, I see it week in and week out, but you just stay nice and snug in your van and point your little ray gun.
Boils my fekin p155.
Flooble said:
Breadvan72 said:
I must be missing all this war on motorists stuff. I drive about all over the place, quite often faster than the posted limits (not in urban areas). Every few years I get a speeding ticket. Is that a bullet or a medal in this exciting war?
Depends which car you were in ... exceeding the limit in some of them would definitely be worth commemorating Officially it does 0-60 in 4.7 seconds, but will either break down or run out of fuel in 4.6 seconds.
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