Tractor pushes parked cars out of the way
Discussion
Efbe said:
apart from him being unable to reverse...
The pictures show an empty road behind these damaged cars, therefore on what basis of fact do you make this claim? Either way are you suggesting the tractor driver has eye sight issues so could not see double parked cars in front of him from an elevated position in his cab? Please feel free to elaborate further..
Edited by F1Timbo on Monday 20th November 18:57
Edited by F1Timbo on Monday 20th November 18:57
Weather he can reverse or not isn't the point is it, what he did was over the top but as posted many times probably just tipped over the edge after years of dealing with idiots parking like that and then buggering off all day!
Aswell as the already mentioned emergency services, what about all other traffic to the farm, feed wagons, fuel tankers etc etc are they just supposed to turn around, go back to depot and try and deliver the next day? Why should all these businesses suffer because some selfish prat can't park without thinking.
Aswell as the already mentioned emergency services, what about all other traffic to the farm, feed wagons, fuel tankers etc etc are they just supposed to turn around, go back to depot and try and deliver the next day? Why should all these businesses suffer because some selfish prat can't park without thinking.
F1Timbo said:
The pictures show an empty road behind these damaged cars, therefore on what basis of fact do you make this claim? Either way are you suggesting the tractor driver has eye sight issues so could not see double parked cars in front of him from an elevated position in his cab? Please feel free to elaborate further..
Once again, this thread goes in circles. As has been posted dozens of times...Edited by F1Timbo on Monday 20th November 18:57
Edited by F1Timbo on Monday 20th November 18:57
One side had cars all the way down. The road is tight to get through with a tractor and trailer, but possible. The trailer is not as wide as a range rover, but is still big, tall and solid. Very hard to reverse with.
When the driver got to these cars he was then too far down the road to reverse back, around turns, with cars close to one side.
At this point he had a few alternatives:
1) Stop and call the police. Which he may or may not have done, we don't know. If he did they may not have turned up. Or far more likely as I showed with network coverage charts earlier, there is no mobil reception so he wasn't able to.
2) Wait for people to return(or leave the trailer). The trailer was full of sheep. we know this from witness accounts. If this is the case, you are not allowed to leave sheep in a trailer like this. Laws have been posted on this earlier in the thread.
3) Try to get the sheep out and back to the farm. On his own, with no assistance or dogs this is impossible. Farmers, and people that have worked on farms have attested to this.
4) The other option was to plough through.
The big question for me is if he tried option number 1.
FiF said:
JimSuperSix said:
F1Timbo said:
James TiT said:
The bad Parkers did not have one brain cell between them.
The parker's/walker's intended no malice, can't say the same for the tractor driver.....he had an alternative he chose not to use that alternative, he could have called the police, stange that he didn't, can only assume he knew he was in the wrong.
and Efbe has posted them above too, maybe you'll be able to find them this time?He has missed out option 5 though - not be a dummy and drive his tractor into a place where he is stuck in the first place.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 20th November 21:11
JimSuperSix said:
The alternatives are posted on page 50, page 49 , page 46 , page 45 (twice) etc.. etc... and Efbe has posted them above too, maybe you'll be able to find them this time?
He has missed out option 5 though - not be a dummy and drive his tractor into a place where he is stuck in the first place.
hah, yes I like option 5. Probably the one I would have taken and Efbe has posted them above too, maybe you'll be able to find them this time?He has missed out option 5 though - not be a dummy and drive his tractor into a place where he is stuck in the first place.
Edited by JimSuperSix on Monday 20th November 21:11
Efbe said:
Once again, this thread goes in circles. As has been posted dozens of times...
One side had cars all the way down. The road is tight to get through with a tractor and trailer, but possible. The trailer is not as wide as a range rover, but is still big, tall and solid. Very hard to reverse with.
When the driver got to these cars he was then too far down the road to reverse back, around turns, with cars close to one side.
At this point he had a few alternatives:
1) Stop and call the police. Which he may or may not have done, we don't know. If he did they may not have turned up. Or far more likely as I showed with network coverage charts earlier, there is no mobil reception so he wasn't able to.
2) Wait for people to return(or leave the trailer). The trailer was full of sheep. we know this from witness accounts. If this is the case, you are not allowed to leave sheep in a trailer like this. Laws have been posted on this earlier in the thread.
3) Try to get the sheep out and back to the farm. On his own, with no assistance or dogs this is impossible. Farmers, and people that have worked on farms have attested to this.
4) The other option was to plough through.
The big question for me is if he tried option number 1.
Option 4 is still criminal damage however you cast it.One side had cars all the way down. The road is tight to get through with a tractor and trailer, but possible. The trailer is not as wide as a range rover, but is still big, tall and solid. Very hard to reverse with.
When the driver got to these cars he was then too far down the road to reverse back, around turns, with cars close to one side.
At this point he had a few alternatives:
1) Stop and call the police. Which he may or may not have done, we don't know. If he did they may not have turned up. Or far more likely as I showed with network coverage charts earlier, there is no mobil reception so he wasn't able to.
2) Wait for people to return(or leave the trailer). The trailer was full of sheep. we know this from witness accounts. If this is the case, you are not allowed to leave sheep in a trailer like this. Laws have been posted on this earlier in the thread.
3) Try to get the sheep out and back to the farm. On his own, with no assistance or dogs this is impossible. Farmers, and people that have worked on farms have attested to this.
4) The other option was to plough through.
The big question for me is if he tried option number 1.
F1Timbo said:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.5024049,-3.17896...
Thanks for this Lord M, now easily confirmed from google maps, tractor could/should have taken to the field on the left, gate at either end of the road - no excuse for causing criminal damage however frustrated he was by the badly parked cars!
One car on that verge opposite the gate and he'll not get into the field. I also don't see much evidence of a tractor using that rather narrow bridge, how much weight can it take? And while you are on Google Maps, go and have a closer look at the far gate...Thanks for this Lord M, now easily confirmed from google maps, tractor could/should have taken to the field on the left, gate at either end of the road - no excuse for causing criminal damage however frustrated he was by the badly parked cars!
Gary C said:
Option 4 is still criminal damage however you cast it.
it's only option 4 if there are three other options. Other wise it's the only thing you can do.Interesting looking through the climbingforum thread on this:
https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=674284
Seem much more supportive of the farmer than I would expect. Also noting many of the cars were not going to the WW1 event, but scafell pike instead.
JimSuperSix said:
FiF said:
JimSuperSix said:
F1Timbo said:
James TiT said:
The bad Parkers did not have one brain cell between them.
The parker's/walker's intended no malice, can't say the same for the tractor driver.....he had an alternative he chose not to use that alternative, he could have called the police, stange that he didn't, can only assume he knew he was in the wrong. and Efbe has posted them above too, maybe you'll be able to find them this time?He has missed out option 5 though - not be a dummy and drive his tractor into a place where he is stuck in the first place.
Edited by JimSuperSix on Monday 20th November 21:11
James TiT said:
The Parkers were driving without consideration for other road users.
Yes, M'lady.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pxOgk1jEKsg
Bugger, someone beat me to it!
F1Timbo said:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.5024049,-3.17896...
Thanks for this Lord M, now easily confirmed from google maps, tractor could/should have taken to the field on the left, gate at either end of the road - no excuse for causing criminal damage however frustrated he was by the badly parked cars!
Couple of points. Thanks for this Lord M, now easily confirmed from google maps, tractor could/should have taken to the field on the left, gate at either end of the road - no excuse for causing criminal damage however frustrated he was by the badly parked cars!
Firstly, there appears to be only on gate into each field, which is normal practice
Secondly https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=p...
This has been put under the microscope, disseminated, dissected and legal opinions with multiple options given.
There seems no understanding of the lack of f
ks given by a pissed off farmer who acted on impulse or the car owners who simply make insurance claims. It’s simple.
I know this is PH but FFS!
There seems no understanding of the lack of f
ks given by a pissed off farmer who acted on impulse or the car owners who simply make insurance claims. It’s simple.I know this is PH but FFS!
V6Pushfit said:
This has been put under the microscope, disseminated, dissected and legal opinions with multiple options given.
There seems no understanding of the lack of fks given by a pissed off farmer who acted on impulse or the car owners who simply make insurance claims. It’s simple.
I know this is PH but FFS!
did you read the alternative options? There was no alternative that could work.There seems no understanding of the lack of f
ks given by a pissed off farmer who acted on impulse or the car owners who simply make insurance claims. It’s simple.I know this is PH but FFS!
This is the big problem with this. Whilst I don't agree with what he did, I don't actually know what else he could have done.
F1Timbo said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Thanks for this Lord M, now easily confirmed from google maps, tractor could/should have taken to the field on the left, gate at either end of the road - no excuse for causing criminal damage however frustrated he was by the badly parked cars!
I find it easier to park sensibly, than someone with no common sense.
Firstly, nothing ever happens to my car.
Secondly, I don't have to spend a lot of effort defending the actions of other people, who wrongly think they are righteous.
It's pretty obvious, that you don't have the same view.
F1Timbo said:
oakdale said:
Which one of the cars was yours?
None of them - but I have previously returned to my car to find it damaged by vandals, not a nice experience and IMHO this is the same, intentional damaged that was needless.People who regularly park like an idiot and then break a nail when they finally realises that some people are just as moronic as them, get zero sympathy from me.
Efbe said:
V6Pushfit said:
This has been put under the microscope, disseminated, dissected and legal opinions with multiple options given.
There seems no understanding of the lack of fks given by a pissed off farmer who acted on impulse or the car owners who simply make insurance claims. It’s simple.
I know this is PH but FFS!
did you read the alternative options? There was no alternative that could work.There seems no understanding of the lack of f
ks given by a pissed off farmer who acted on impulse or the car owners who simply make insurance claims. It’s simple.I know this is PH but FFS!
This is the big problem with this. Whilst I don't agree with what he did, I don't actually know what else he could have done.
It's like the gobby little madams, and they almost always start off as gobby entitled little madams, who block up forestry access with their horseboxes and then get all trembly bottom lips and teary eyed when they get shouted at.
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