Drink driver, leaving an accident...
Discussion
La Liga said:
ny ‘crime fighting’ by either the police or public needs to be done within the law. The same laws apply (some limited exemptions in traffic law but training / skill / experience etc makes no difference to driving standard offences) to both the police and public.
What the police and CPS will look at is the public interest. If people have the right intentions then that can go a long way.
Again "look at it" and "can go a long way". What the police and CPS will look at is the public interest. If people have the right intentions then that can go a long way.
If I'm going to engage in an activity where the outcome can range from "nothing" to "3 years inside", I want a lot more certainty than that.
Can anyone come up with a single reported case of a person intervening to prevent crime being convicted of a crime because of doing so? Not "my cousin's brother's friend's dad" , but a case reported by reputable media.
Anyone who says "Tony Martin" will be awarded eleventy twelve billion bonus idiot points and made to wear an embarrassing hat.
Anyone who says "Tony Martin" will be awarded eleventy twelve billion bonus idiot points and made to wear an embarrassing hat.
Breadvan72 said:
1. Listen to the question and answer that question and only that question.
2. Be concise and responsive.
3. Say only what you know.
3. Don't try verbal sparring.
Most importantly
4. Tell the truth.
Thank you, never been a witness so will help with confidence in Crown Court.2. Be concise and responsive.
3. Say only what you know.
3. Don't try verbal sparring.
Most importantly
4. Tell the truth.
Gavia said:
RTS95 said:
Another update...
Driver entered a not guilty plea in Crown Court, apparently a 3 day trial in a couple of months time with 3 witnesses against him.
Thoughts?
He’s seeing if the witnesses turn up, if they do then he’ll put in a very late guilty plea to avoid a trial. Even if he does go to trial, it won’t last three days. Driver entered a not guilty plea in Crown Court, apparently a 3 day trial in a couple of months time with 3 witnesses against him.
Thoughts?
king tool who should be shot. elanfan said:
There ought to be an additional penalty in these cases. When an offender tries to play the system knowing full well they're guilty and plays the late guilty plea. How about a 25% hike in fines or custody. Reckon that would cut out a lot of this practise.
There is. You get a discount for pleading guilty promptly. That is in effect the same thing as a hike for contesting unsuccessfully.elanfan said:
There ought to be an additional penalty in these cases. When an offender tries to play the system knowing full well they're guilty and plays the late guilty plea. How about a 25% hike in fines or custody. Reckon that would cut out a lot of this practise.
You're forgetting that the "guilty plea discount" vary between an early plea, and right on trial? Max 1/3 at the earliest stages, max 1/4 once it reaches trial.https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/up...
So, yes, that's already in place.
RTS95 said:
Breadvan72 said:
1. Listen to the question and answer that question and only that question.
2. Be concise and responsive.
3. Say only what you know.
3. Don't try verbal sparring.
Most importantly
4. Tell the truth.
Thank you, never been a witness so will help with confidence in Crown Court.2. Be concise and responsive.
3. Say only what you know.
3. Don't try verbal sparring.
Most importantly
4. Tell the truth.
OP, well done!
Our cleaning lady at work in her 50's was mowed down by a drunken white van driver, 6am one morning. So presumably he had a heavy drinking session the night before.
She was on her way to work on a bicycle and died from the collision.
One less drunken driver is one less risk to fatal accidents.
Our cleaning lady at work in her 50's was mowed down by a drunken white van driver, 6am one morning. So presumably he had a heavy drinking session the night before.
She was on her way to work on a bicycle and died from the collision.
One less drunken driver is one less risk to fatal accidents.
He pleaded guilty to all charges last week and I didn't need to attend court- sentenced straight away.
16 month prison sentence suspended for 2 years for dangerous driving, drink driving and leaving scene of an accident.
6 month 7pm-7am curfew
3 year driving ban.
Retake test after ban.
Thank you for all the positive words and advice!
16 month prison sentence suspended for 2 years for dangerous driving, drink driving and leaving scene of an accident.
6 month 7pm-7am curfew
3 year driving ban.
Retake test after ban.
Thank you for all the positive words and advice!
Du1point8 said:
Can I ask what benefit is it that someone pleads not guilty all the way through until the actual court proceedings are about to start?
Does it not get them a harsher sentence?
Yes, but they're hoping that the case won't get that far, or that key witnesses won't turn up.Does it not get them a harsher sentence?
Discount is 1/3 for a guilty plea at first hearing, 1/4 if its before the trial starts (as Chris Huhne did) and 1/10 if its into the trial.
That will be off the fine and any prison term, NOT off the driving penalty (points or ban) UNLESS its in Scotland where you get the discount off the driving penalty as well.
The Sentencing council for England and Wales produce a catchily entitled document called the "Reduction in Sentence for a Guilty Plea" latest version is 2007, goes alongside the sentencing guidelines, available online or they do an iPad app (i kid you not).
That will be off the fine and any prison term, NOT off the driving penalty (points or ban) UNLESS its in Scotland where you get the discount off the driving penalty as well.
The Sentencing council for England and Wales produce a catchily entitled document called the "Reduction in Sentence for a Guilty Plea" latest version is 2007, goes alongside the sentencing guidelines, available online or they do an iPad app (i kid you not).
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