M60 driver caught doing 136mph in Greater Manchester

M60 driver caught doing 136mph in Greater Manchester

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jm doc

2,776 posts

231 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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JNW1 said:
Countdown said:
Flibble said:
375 fatalities on the Autobahn at a rate of 1.6 per billion vehicle km.
89 fatalities on Motorways at a rate of 0.8 per billion vehicle km.

Roughly double on the Autobahns.

DE data from wikipedia.
UK data from: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa... and https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
So doubling the speed limit doubles the risk of fatalities? Whodathunkit...........
I don't doubt for a second that excess speed will have been a factor in at least some of those 375 fatalities on the Autobahn; however, I'm not sure you can deduce from that that the higher fatality rate compared to our motorways is purely a consequence of speed.

For example, what's the culture in terms of wearing seatbelts compared to the UK and what's the relative availability of things like air ambulances to get people to hospital quickly? I've no idea on the answer to either but unless everything else is on pretty much a like for like basis it's surely difficult to form a conclusion on the extent to which different speed limits are affecting the level of fatalities?
As said earlier, Germany is crossed by thousands of foreign drivers every day as it is surrounded by nine countries. As these will in the main be using the autobahns this will inevitably impact on the accident rates. That's not an issue in the UK to anything like the same extent.

And in the UK, only around 15% of accidents involve excess speeds, that would translate to around 25 more deaths per annum in Germany on the autobahn compared to the UK due to speed.


Barchettaman

6,283 posts

131 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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JNW1 said:
For example, what's the culture in terms of wearing seatbelts compared to the UK and what's the relative availability of things like air ambulances to get people to hospital quickly? I've no idea on the answer to either but unless everything else is on pretty much a like for like basis it's surely difficult to form a conclusion on the extent to which different speed limits are affecting the level of fatalities?
In my experience, seatbelt and air ambulance: pretty similar.

Mobile phone use, smoking, general tttishness: likewise.

They are very good at making a 'Rettungsgasse', i.e. getting out of the way so first responders can go up between the lanes.

captainaverage

596 posts

86 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Kawasicki said:
Not if they leave earlier...duh! People rushing around at 70 mph are irresponsible tts.
70 mph on a motorway is such an irresponsible speed. It kills trees, children (not sure what they're doing on the motorway) and little bunnies. It's too fast, you couldn't possibly avoid crashing...

zarjaz1991

3,471 posts

122 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Helicopter123 said:
To be fair, in a modern performance car, 136 mph feels not a lot different from 90 mph.

I can see how this could happen on an empty road.
Only if the driver is not paying attention, which is a good reason why they should NOT be doing that speed.

MarcelM6

537 posts

105 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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captainaverage said:
70 mph on a motorway is such an irresponsible speed. It kills trees, children (not sure what they're doing on the motorway) and little bunnies. It's too fast, you couldn't possibly avoid crashing...
You could also slip in the shower, hit your head and die. Which is more likely than being a fatality on a UK motorway.

Both Germany and UK have extremely low road accident rates in any way you measure them. As does most of Western Europe.

Doing 136 is stupid because its illegal and likely to result in an inconvenient penalty (financial or custodial), but I just don't buy the road safety argument in either of these countries.


captainaverage

596 posts

86 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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MarcelM6 said:
You could also slip in the shower, hit your head and die. Which is more likely than being a fatality on a UK motorway.

Both Germany and UK have extremely low road accident rates in any way you measure them. As does most of Western Europe.

Doing 136 is stupid because its illegal and likely to result in an inconvenient penalty (financial or custodial), but I just don't buy the road safety argument in either of these countries.
We must do something about these showers. So dangerous, just think of all the lives we can save. I'd say we should ban showers.

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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captainaverage said:
MarcelM6 said:
You could also slip in the shower, hit your head and die. Which is more likely than being a fatality on a UK motorway.

Both Germany and UK have extremely low road accident rates in any way you measure them. As does most of Western Europe.

Doing 136 is stupid because its illegal and likely to result in an inconvenient penalty (financial or custodial), but I just don't buy the road safety argument in either of these countries.
We must do something about these showers. So dangerous, just think of all the lives we can save. I'd say we should ban showers.
Showers serve a function. Peanuts...the suffering they cause, and for what? So some selfish bd can have a salty snack with his Trump beer. bd.

captainaverage

596 posts

86 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Kawasicki said:
Showers serve a function. Peanuts...the suffering they cause, and for what? So some selfish bd can have a salty snack with his Trump beer. bd.
But better smelly than sorry...
Of course the tax the nuts! We must think of all the suffering we can reduce.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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rsbmw said:
Pistom said:
In fairness it is esy to find yourself nudging over the limit when the motorway is empty.
Hopefully said with tongue firmly in cheek.
Not necessarily.

I've had plenty of cars that would go from 70 to 140+ in only a few seconds.

I regularly like to 'open the taps' on the motorway, but generally not when there are any unidentifiable cars behind me.

grumpy52

5,565 posts

165 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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vonhosen said:
housen said:
what u reckon 186mph on empty motorway would get you ?
Rather depends when & where (then after that if it's offence then & there you have to consider previous etc).
It gets the motorway closed for you to do it and then ultimately the speed limit lowered to 70 mph .

Flibble

6,470 posts

180 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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Lord Marylebone said:
rsbmw said:
Pistom said:
In fairness it is esy to find yourself nudging over the limit when the motorway is empty.
Hopefully said with tongue firmly in cheek.
Not necessarily.

I've had plenty of cars that would go from 70 to 140+ in only a few seconds.

I regularly like to 'open the taps' on the motorway, but generally not when there are any unidentifiable cars behind me.
It's roughly 7 seconds in a Veyron, so more than that in anything else. You'd have to be pretty inattentive to not notice pinning the throttle for 10+ seconds, not exactly a "nudge".

Joeguard1990

1,181 posts

125 months

Friday 24th November 2017
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janesmith1950 said:
Last time I looked, performance and non performance cars have the same windows (and physics). A 50% uplift in speed from 90mph to 136mph feels massively different in pretty anything.
What? Pretty sure a performance car has better aerodynamics, brakes, stability, stopping power, wider tyres, etc.

surveyor

17,768 posts

183 months

Friday 24th November 2017
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Please Please show me an unlimited autobahn, that serves as a busy orbital motorway to a large city.... if you can...

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Friday 24th November 2017
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fatjon said:
All day everyday in Germany and the world is still turning.
Anything to do with Brexit?