M60 driver caught doing 136mph in Greater Manchester

[vonhosen]

jm doc said:

Doorajar said:

fatjon said:

All day everyday in Germany and the world is still turning.

To be fair, recent history has seen the Germans introduce some iffy concepts and only become convinced after millions of people die before they see the error of their ways. Seems that thinking is still in their make-up as far as speed is concerned.
Maybe they like to have their liberties preserved even though it is obviously risky, a bit like the Americans with their gun law...or lack of it.

There you go again, making things up. The evidence is clear that it's not "obviously risky" at all. The safest roads in continental Europe bar one.

Not as safe as here though.

[captainaverage]

Helicopter123 said:

To be fair, in a modern performance car, 136 mph feels not a lot different from 90 mph.

I can see how this could happen on an empty road.

136 isn't that fast to be honest

Anyway I agree if 136 mph and 90 mph in different cars. 100 mph in a Capri feels fairly faster than doing 130 mph in new BMW or golf. Or maybe it was just that the Capri feels like it might fall apart at some point ...

Edited by captainaverage on Tuesday 21st November 08:45

[jm doc]

vonhosen said:

jm doc said:

Doorajar said:

fatjon said:

All day everyday in Germany and the world is still turning.

To be fair, recent history has seen the Germans introduce some iffy concepts and only become convinced after millions of people die before they see the error of their ways. Seems that thinking is still in their make-up as far as speed is concerned.
Maybe they like to have their liberties preserved even though it is obviously risky, a bit like the Americans with their gun law...or lack of it.

There you go again, making things up. The evidence is clear that it's not "obviously risky" at all. The safest roads in continental Europe bar one.

Not as safe as here though.

Continental Europe has higher death rates per individual country than the UK, all bar Germany have fairly similar speed limits to the UK. It's abundantly clear from decades of evidence and literally billions of passenger miles that derestricted motorways do not significantly affect death rates, some would argue that it lowers them, given the figures compared to the countries that share it's borders.

[vonhosen]

jm doc said:

vonhosen said:

jm doc said:

Doorajar said:

fatjon said:

All day everyday in Germany and the world is still turning.

To be fair, recent history has seen the Germans introduce some iffy concepts and only become convinced after millions of people die before they see the error of their ways. Seems that thinking is still in their make-up as far as speed is concerned.
Maybe they like to have their liberties preserved even though it is obviously risky, a bit like the Americans with their gun law...or lack of it.

There you go again, making things up. The evidence is clear that it's not "obviously risky" at all. The safest roads in continental Europe bar one.

Not as safe as here though.

Continental Europe has higher death rates per individual country than the UK, all bar Germany have fairly similar speed limits to the UK. It's abundantly clear from decades of evidence and literally billions of passenger miles that derestricted motorways do not significantly affect death rates, some would argue that it lowers them, given the figures compared to the countries that share it's borders.

Different cultures, different countries.
Each has to strike a compromise that suits them & what achieves the best results for them. Most of continental Europe has lower single & dual carriageway non urban limits than we do (but are slightly higher in urban & motorways).
We have ours and it results in safer roads than Germany, year on year on year.
We shouldn't be doing what Germany does, France does or any other country does where we are getting better results already, we should be looking at what nordic countries like Sweden etc do as they are vying for top spot with us. (Oh hang on a minute they have lower limits still )

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 21st November 09:02

[Carlson W6]

• wringing my hands*

[John145]

jm doc said:

vonhosen said:

jm doc said:

Doorajar said:

fatjon said:

All day everyday in Germany and the world is still turning.

To be fair, recent history has seen the Germans introduce some iffy concepts and only become convinced after millions of people die before they see the error of their ways. Seems that thinking is still in their make-up as far as speed is concerned.
Maybe they like to have their liberties preserved even though it is obviously risky, a bit like the Americans with their gun law...or lack of it.

There you go again, making things up. The evidence is clear that it's not "obviously risky" at all. The safest roads in continental Europe bar one.

Not as safe as here though.

Continental Europe has higher death rates per individual country than the UK, all bar Germany have fairly similar speed limits to the UK. It's abundantly clear from decades of evidence and literally billions of passenger miles that derestricted motorways do not significantly affect death rates, some would argue that it lowers them, given the figures compared to the countries that share it's borders.

I'd put money on it being down to the respective general public opinion to cars.

For example, in Germany most cars are (shock horror) German barges designed for high speed. As such they are competent generally.

In France most cars are (you guessed it) French shopping trolleys and designed to be cheap. As such they are generally crap.

In France you have a 130km/h speed limit, in your German barge this is slow, in your French shopping trolley this is an exhilarating white knuckle thrill ride.

[f1ten]

Let's raise a petition for 100mph when motorway is quiet

It's crazy that as even a modern fiesta is now able to stop on a dime why we still have a 40 year old antiquated law on speed.

[vonhosen]

f1ten said:

Let's raise a petition for 100mph when motorway is quiet

It's crazy that as even a modern fiesta is now able to stop on a dime why we still have a 40 year old antiquated law on speed.

It can't stop on a dime though from 100mph or 70mph.

By all means do your petition though.

[captainaverage]

f1ten said:

Let's raise a petition for 100mph when motorway is quiet

It's crazy that as even a modern fiesta is now able to stop on a dime why we still have a 40 year old antiquated law on speed.

I am for it.

[John145]

f1ten said:

Let's raise a petition for 100mph when motorway is quiet

It's crazy that as even a modern fiesta is now able to stop on a dime why we still have a 40 year old antiquated law on speed.

When most car owners are more concerned about tread depth and how many miles they can do on a set of tyres I'd rather target a lower limit of 80mph in the UK. Especially when there are bloody pot holes on our motorways. Outrageous!

People talk about the quality of German roads. They're well regulated and even minor damage (that you'd struggle to notice whilst driving) will see a Strasse schaeden sign and a speed limit to 130. Here we seem perfectly happy with significant decay and undulations on our motorways. We simply do not have the quality of road to make high speed safe enmasse.

[anonymous-user]

jm doc said:

And out of the nine or so countries that surround them, only the Netherlands have fewer deaths.

So? Still higher than us.

jm doc said:

This despite their roads being criss crossed every day by tens of thousands of foreign drivers and cars travelling at high speeds, safely.

So? Still higher than us.

The point is a road safety strategy has to be bespoke to each country.

jm doc said:

Like Vonhosen you really just hate it when people dare to ignore your petty rules.

I don't care if people speed.

People can make their own choices.

[vonhosen]

jm doc said:

vonhosen said:

jm doc said:

La Liga said:

fatjon said:

All day everyday in Germany and the world is still turning.

Quite, on their much better roads. Despite this, more of them die on their roads so I'm not sure we should look at Germany for our road safety strategy.

Their roads definitely aren't better.
And out of the nine or so countries that surround them, only the Netherlands have fewer deaths. This despite their roads being criss crossed every day by tens of thousands of foreign drivers and cars travelling at high speeds, safely.

Like Vonhosen you really just hate it when people dare to ignore your petty rules.

1) They aren't my rules.
2) I don't hate it, I couldn't give a toss.
3) I do laugh at the tin foil hatism about it all though.

So it's more amusing than anything.

Yea yea, of course.

Yet my personal choice for myself would be no speed limits urban, non urban or motorway, go figure

[98elise]

fatjon said:

All day everyday in Germany and the world is still turning.

Everywhere in Germany...or do they have rules about when and where?

I've legally I fired machine guns in the UK . I can't do that in my street.

[Flibble]

98elise said:

Everywhere in Germany...or do they have rules about when and where?

I've legally I fired machine guns in the UK . I can't do that in my street.

Exactly, I've legally done 136 mph in the UK. I wouldn't do it on the M60 though!

JNW1 said:

Hmm, but it wasn't an empty road and it was dark; also, while it's difficult to tell from video, the road doesn't look bone dry either. I accept that particular section of the motorway was lit but even so I think it's a difficult offence to defend....

It's even less defensible when you realise that that section of motorway has a slip road joining on the right (assuming we're travelling anticlockwise there). People frequently bimble onto the motorway and into lane 3 (as it becomes) at ~50 mph there.

[f1ten]

Exactly there are some Stretches of uk motorway which could easily cope with a high r limit but I appreciate not all our roads are that good.

[JNW1]

vonhosen said:

jm doc said:

vonhosen said:

jm doc said:

La Liga said:

fatjon said:

All day everyday in Germany and the world is still turning.

Quite, on their much better roads. Despite this, more of them die on their roads so I'm not sure we should look at Germany for our road safety strategy.

Their roads definitely aren't better.
And out of the nine or so countries that surround them, only the Netherlands have fewer deaths. This despite their roads being criss crossed every day by tens of thousands of foreign drivers and cars travelling at high speeds, safely.

Like Vonhosen you really just hate it when people dare to ignore your petty rules.

1) They aren't my rules.
2) I don't hate it, I couldn't give a toss.
3) I do laugh at the tin foil hatism about it all though.

So it's more amusing than anything.

Yea yea, of course.

Yet my personal choice for myself would be no speed limits urban, non urban or motorway, go figure

But unfortunately clowns like the one in the video in the original post make limits inevitable....

[Kawasicki]

The police are following far too closely. Braking distance from 136mph, including reaction time, is 1.8 miles.

[vonhosen]

JNW1 said:

vonhosen said:

jm doc said:

vonhosen said:

jm doc said:

La Liga said:

fatjon said:

All day everyday in Germany and the world is still turning.

Quite, on their much better roads. Despite this, more of them die on their roads so I'm not sure we should look at Germany for our road safety strategy.

Their roads definitely aren't better.
And out of the nine or so countries that surround them, only the Netherlands have fewer deaths. This despite their roads being criss crossed every day by tens of thousands of foreign drivers and cars travelling at high speeds, safely.

Like Vonhosen you really just hate it when people dare to ignore your petty rules.

1) They aren't my rules.
2) I don't hate it, I couldn't give a toss.
3) I do laugh at the tin foil hatism about it all though.

So it's more amusing than anything.

Yea yea, of course.

Yet my personal choice for myself would be no speed limits urban, non urban or motorway, go figure

But unfortunately clowns like the one in the video in the original post make limits inevitable....

And I accept it's about more than what I want for myself & that the government have a difficult job in striking a compromise between often competing needs & interest groups.

[vonhosen]

Kawasicki said:

The police are following far too closely. Braking distance from 136mph, including reaction time, is 1.8 miles.

In what?
The space shuttle?

[housen]

what u reckon 186mph on empty motorway would get you ?