Lorry drivers who think the are the Police
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when joining the M5 from the M6 the road works take it from two to one lane with the left lane merging into the right.
I am usually in the right lane anyway as it is less hassle than trying to merge.
Anyway twice last week a lorry has taken it upon themselves to crawl along the left hand land creating hundreds of yards of free lane in front of them and basically forcing other vehicles to merge earlier. Why do they do that, they are not the police or traffic officers? All they do is cause a greater tailback as the traffic cannot fill the available lane. If people want merge later on near where the cones start then that is up to them. I think there is even a sign stating to merge near the end.
I am usually in the right lane anyway as it is less hassle than trying to merge.
Anyway twice last week a lorry has taken it upon themselves to crawl along the left hand land creating hundreds of yards of free lane in front of them and basically forcing other vehicles to merge earlier. Why do they do that, they are not the police or traffic officers? All they do is cause a greater tailback as the traffic cannot fill the available lane. If people want merge later on near where the cones start then that is up to them. I think there is even a sign stating to merge near the end.
good job ! i think motorways should have rasing barriers and box junctions, the biggest hold ups when motorways merge and the d
heads decide they are going to push all the way to the front then whack the hazards on and cut in. Saw a guy the other days cut straight across the stripped separator area and onto the hard sholuder, got out and pretended to look a his wheel, waited 30 seconds then continued up the hard shoulder 300m and merged.
Interestingly i lived in the USA and when they close lanes EVERYONE starts moving over right away, no one zooms up the empty lane and cuts in last minute, its seen as very rude and antisocial, on the flip side pretty much everyone drinks and drives so.....
heads decide they are going to push all the way to the front then whack the hazards on and cut in. Saw a guy the other days cut straight across the stripped separator area and onto the hard sholuder, got out and pretended to look a his wheel, waited 30 seconds then continued up the hard shoulder 300m and merged.Interestingly i lived in the USA and when they close lanes EVERYONE starts moving over right away, no one zooms up the empty lane and cuts in last minute, its seen as very rude and antisocial, on the flip side pretty much everyone drinks and drives so.....
PurpleMoonlight said:
Where?
Rule 134. Although it's not really as clear as it could be"Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works or a road traffic incident. It is not recommended at high speed.”
Mergine in turn is zip merging.
I've no issue with lorry drivers doing things like this.
Also, when you have a roadworks section on a motorway and it goes from outside to in, they will often straddle the two outer to stop idiots basically following the cones all the way down to the join.
OK, they don't need to do it at the 400 metres to go sign, but doing it near the filter down for me is fine, if it prevents a few cretins from making everyone slow up unnecessarily at the join.
Also, when you have a roadworks section on a motorway and it goes from outside to in, they will often straddle the two outer to stop idiots basically following the cones all the way down to the join.
OK, they don't need to do it at the 400 metres to go sign, but doing it near the filter down for me is fine, if it prevents a few cretins from making everyone slow up unnecessarily at the join.
robbieduncan said:
Rule 134. Although it's not really as clear as it could be
"Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works or a road traffic incident. It is not recommended at high speed.”
Mergine in turn is zip merging.
Where does that say it is correct to block the lane?"Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works or a road traffic incident. It is not recommended at high speed.”
Mergine in turn is zip merging.
Merge at the merge point. Not before. You've paid for the entire road, so use it.
Merges are located there for a reason. We put them there because we want the merge there. It will be due to many reasons, such as visibility, or that it's a non-event section of road (i.e. nothing else happens). We don't want you unneccesarilly extending a queue past (for example) laybys, junctions, signals, tight bends, etc by forcing the queue to start 800m before the intended location.
Self-Appointed Road police are not welcome.
Anyone that thinks it's "pushing in" needs to go and ask their carer for a nappy change.
(I've designed hundreds of TM layouts for anything from the M25 to a farm track.)
Merges are located there for a reason. We put them there because we want the merge there. It will be due to many reasons, such as visibility, or that it's a non-event section of road (i.e. nothing else happens). We don't want you unneccesarilly extending a queue past (for example) laybys, junctions, signals, tight bends, etc by forcing the queue to start 800m before the intended location.
Self-Appointed Road police are not welcome.
Anyone that thinks it's "pushing in" needs to go and ask their carer for a nappy change.
(I've designed hundreds of TM layouts for anything from the M25 to a farm track.)
OpulentBob said:
Merge at the merge point. Not before. You've paid for the entire road, so use it.
Merges are located there for a reason. We put them there because we want the merge there. It will be due to many reasons, such as visibility, or that it's a non-event section of road (i.e. nothing else happens). We don't want you unneccesarilly extending a queue past (for example) laybys, junctions, signals, tight bends, etc by forcing the queue to start 800m before the intended location.
Self-Appointed Road police are not welcome.
Anyone that thinks it's "pushing in" needs to go and ask their carer for a nappy change.
(I've designed hundreds of TM layouts for anything from the M25 to a farm track.)
Can we have more “merge in turn” or “use both lanes” signs?Merges are located there for a reason. We put them there because we want the merge there. It will be due to many reasons, such as visibility, or that it's a non-event section of road (i.e. nothing else happens). We don't want you unneccesarilly extending a queue past (for example) laybys, junctions, signals, tight bends, etc by forcing the queue to start 800m before the intended location.
Self-Appointed Road police are not welcome.
Anyone that thinks it's "pushing in" needs to go and ask their carer for a nappy change.
(I've designed hundreds of TM layouts for anything from the M25 to a farm track.)
OpulentBob said:
Merge at the merge point. Not before. You've paid for the entire road, so use it.
Merges are located there for a reason. We put them there because we want the merge there. It will be due to many reasons, such as visibility, or that it's a non-event section of road (i.e. nothing else happens). We don't want you unneccesarilly extending a queue past (for example) laybys, junctions, signals, tight bends, etc by forcing the queue to start 800m before the intended location.
Self-Appointed Road police are not welcome.
Anyone that thinks it's "pushing in" needs to go and ask their carer for a nappy change.
(I've designed hundreds of TM layouts for anything from the M25 to a farm track.)
Merges are located there for a reason. We put them there because we want the merge there. It will be due to many reasons, such as visibility, or that it's a non-event section of road (i.e. nothing else happens). We don't want you unneccesarilly extending a queue past (for example) laybys, junctions, signals, tight bends, etc by forcing the queue to start 800m before the intended location.
Self-Appointed Road police are not welcome.
Anyone that thinks it's "pushing in" needs to go and ask their carer for a nappy change.
(I've designed hundreds of TM layouts for anything from the M25 to a farm track.)
This. Every time.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Where does that say it is correct to block the lane?
It doesn't. And that was not what I said (or intended to say). I was saying that it was correct to use all lanes up to the cones then zip merge. Blocking the lanes is proven to produce worse traffic flow and only done by idiots.Edit: I've looked back at my original post and see I missed a critical not. Sorry!
matjk said:
good job ! i think motorways should have rasing barriers and box junctions, the biggest hold ups when motorways merge and the dheads decide they are going to push all the way to the front then whack the hazards on and cut in. Saw a guy the other days cut straight across the stripped separator area and onto the hard sholuder, got out and pretended to look a his wheel, waited 30 seconds then continued up the hard shoulder 300m and merged.
Interestingly i lived in the USA and when they close lanes EVERYONE starts moving over right away, no one zooms up the empty lane and cuts in last minute, its seen as very rude and antisocial, on the flip side pretty much everyone drinks and drives so.....
More holdups from people merging all over the place down an 800m stretch rather than all merging in one place (lets call it the merge point) next to the cones...heads decide they are going to push all the way to the front then whack the hazards on and cut in. Saw a guy the other days cut straight across the stripped separator area and onto the hard sholuder, got out and pretended to look a his wheel, waited 30 seconds then continued up the hard shoulder 300m and merged.Interestingly i lived in the USA and when they close lanes EVERYONE starts moving over right away, no one zooms up the empty lane and cuts in last minute, its seen as very rude and antisocial, on the flip side pretty much everyone drinks and drives so.....
OpulentBob said:
Merge at the merge point. Not before. You've paid for the entire road, so use it.
Merges are located there for a reason. We put them there because we want the merge there. It will be due to many reasons, such as visibility, or that it's a non-event section of road (i.e. nothing else happens). We don't want you unneccesarilly extending a queue past (for example) laybys, junctions, signals, tight bends, etc by forcing the queue to start 800m before the intended location.
Self-Appointed Road police are not welcome.
Anyone that thinks it's "pushing in" needs to go and ask their carer for a nappy change.
(I've designed hundreds of TM layouts for anything from the M25 to a farm track.)
Except what happens in the real world is that traffic does sort of merge in turn, but due to the lower capacity of the merged bit the speed is lower and therefore the merge point creeps further and further back. You eventually get a point where one land is full and stationary, the other empty. Some drivers therefore go down the empty lane to merge at the front. The problem with this being is that the traffic in the full lane has to slow even more to allow them in.Merges are located there for a reason. We put them there because we want the merge there. It will be due to many reasons, such as visibility, or that it's a non-event section of road (i.e. nothing else happens). We don't want you unneccesarilly extending a queue past (for example) laybys, junctions, signals, tight bends, etc by forcing the queue to start 800m before the intended location.
Self-Appointed Road police are not welcome.
Anyone that thinks it's "pushing in" needs to go and ask their carer for a nappy change.
(I've designed hundreds of TM layouts for anything from the M25 to a farm track.)
By moving out in to the empty lane the lorry drivers are allowing the traffic in the full lane to pass quickly without obstruction through the merge point and at the same time moving the merge point back to where you want it.
theboss said:
Can we have more “merge in turn” or “use both lanes” signs?
Most of the time it doesn't make any difference.Last year on my commute on the Worksop (enough said) Bypass there was 2 to 1 lane up to a roundabout.
Signs were put up a mile before and every few 100 metres stating "Use both lanes" and "Merge in turn" but still most queued in the 1 lane with the lane police being evident 1-2 times per week (usually either HGVs or 4x4s)
This lane closure was on for 4 months!
I changed my route in the end when I found myself driving the return route shouting out of the window across the centre reservation "USE BOTH LANES a
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