Jordan Peterson vs Cathy Newman

Jordan Peterson vs Cathy Newman

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V8mate

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45,899 posts

188 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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I'm only just catching up with this; surprised it hasn't been shared here already.

Apologies if you're only into bite-sized clips... Cathy Newman of Channel 4 News interviewed Prof. Jordan Peterson and whilst it's half an hour long, I commend you to watch it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54

I could wax lyrical about how refreshing it is to hear the likes of Peterson on UK TV. But, having subsequently watched some 'commentators' offering their view of the interview, I found that Paul Weston gave the best summary. (Sorry; it's another 15 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6OBI5JBITM


Amazon order for Peterson's book has been duly placed!

Eric Mc

121,768 posts

264 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Who is he and what was the subject being discussed?

Goaty Bill 2

3,393 posts

118 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Eric Mc said:
Who is he and what was the subject being discussed?
From here BBC Womens pay gap

But a separate thread for general discussion of the good (or bad depending on your perspective) doctor could have its uses.


V8mate

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Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Eric Mc said:
Who is he and what was the subject being discussed?
He is an eminent clinical psychologist.

They discuss a host of issues. Probably best to watch the interview.


anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Saw that last night on YouTube. It was the typical Chanel 4 news interview, but for once the other party could manage the interview and stop the false statements, it showed what a load of crap the usual tactics of Chanel 4 and others of a similar style like Faisal Islam employ is.

Cathy has now gone down the victim path and it's pathetic to see. He discusses this in this video https://youtu.be/E6qBxn_hFDQ

V8mate

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45,899 posts

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Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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jsf said:
Saw that last night on YouTube. It was the typical Chanel 4 news interview, but for once the other party could manage the interview and stop the false statements, it showed what a load of crap the usual tactics of Chanel 4 and others of a similar style like Faisal Islam employ is.

Cathy has now gone down the victim path and it's pathetic to see. He discusses this in this video https://youtu.be/E6qBxn_hFDQ
As far as I'm concerned she took one for the team. It's too easy to set the mob on an individual when, in fact, it's the dominance of the whole stinking Marxist media and 'liberal elite' in this country which needs to be addressed.

greygoose

8,224 posts

194 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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V8mate said:
As far as I'm concerned she took one for the team. It's too easy to set the mob on an individual when, in fact, it's the dominance of the whole stinking Marxist media and 'liberal elite' in this country which needs to be addressed.
Marxist media? Do you get your news just from the Morning Star?

Aphex

2,160 posts

199 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Peterson's time spent in front of the bill c16 passing in canada is also worth a watch

Ridgemont

6,486 posts

130 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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V8mate said:
jsf said:
Saw that last night on YouTube. It was the typical Chanel 4 news interview, but for once the other party could manage the interview and stop the false statements, it showed what a load of crap the usual tactics of Chanel 4 and others of a similar style like Faisal Islam employ is.

Cathy has now gone down the victim path and it's pathetic to see. He discusses this in this video https://youtu.be/E6qBxn_hFDQ
As far as I'm concerned she took one for the team. It's too easy to set the mob on an individual when, in fact, it's the dominance of the whole stinking Marxist media and 'liberal elite' in this country which needs to be addressed.
Not sure it’s Marxist; more ‘new left’ identity politics. It was quite amusing watching him suggest that our lobster brains trump gender identity smile

Eric Mc

121,768 posts

264 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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I like Cathy Newman.

Aphex

2,160 posts

199 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Eric Mc said:
I like Cathy Newman.
Spot how many times she says 'so you're saying'. She may annoy you quite quickly

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Eric Mc said:
I like Cathy Newman.
Regardless, she was terrible in that interview and an embarrassment to good journalism.

Eric Mc

121,768 posts

264 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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garyhun said:
Regardless, she was terrible in that interview and an embarrassment to good journalism.
Especially when she wears that red dress.

Which also proves she's a Commie.

Not-The-Messiah

3,610 posts

80 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Eric Mc said:
I like Cathy Newman.
"So what you are saying is you want to dress her in a doll costume and feed her bake beans down a tube" ?

Goaty Bill 2

3,393 posts

118 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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V8mate said:
As far as I'm concerned she took one for the team. It's too easy to set the mob on an individual when, in fact, it's the dominance of the whole stinking Marxist media and 'liberal elite' in this country which needs to be addressed.
Surely you mean "stinking neo-Marxist post modernist media" biggrin

It's impossible for me to judge. I found her quite annoying during the interview, but I was completely unsurprised by his handling of her. He is typically stone cold with a smile when actually debating. No one gets out alive.

Was she smiling because she truly enjoyed the 'discussion'? Or because she thought a 'victory' could be constructed out of it? I wonder...


V8mate

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45,899 posts

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Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Aphex said:
Spot how many times she says 'so you're saying'. She may annoy you quite quickly
A lot of commentators have picked up on her following 'so you're saying' with the complete opposite of what he'd said, thereby accusing her of deliberately trying to twist the discussion.

Interestingly, Scott Adams (the creator of the Dilbert comic strip) had a different perspective. He maintained (my paraphrasing) that her behaviour was almost a nervous reaction to Peterson providing an unarguable response to her long-held(?) beliefs, and she, unable to provide a response, simply regurgitated her beliefs back to him as his words.

https://youtu.be/ZnyA5Wn1K_Q

Whether deliberate or sub-consciously, it was disastrous for her.


V8mate

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Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Goaty Bill 2 said:
V8mate said:
As far as I'm concerned she took one for the team. It's too easy to set the mob on an individual when, in fact, it's the dominance of the whole stinking Marxist media and 'liberal elite' in this country which needs to be addressed.
Surely you mean "stinking neo-Marxist post modernist media" biggrin
laugh

I'm sure my single tag doesn't even begin properly to describe the broad spectrum of damaging influence on our news.

egomeister

6,698 posts

262 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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I think it was clear to see that she had no means of dealing with someone with the clarity of thought and position that Jordan Peterson has. Generalised soundbites may have overpowered someone with a less well formed opinion, but she was unable to engage meaningfully with the detail and nuance in the talking points.

In the end there was actually little gained from the interview as she was neither able to debate Petersons points or give him the space to talk through some of his ideas and inform the viewer. To me it highlights the sad state of TV discussion - there's far better on Youtube or podcasts.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Eric Mc said:
garyhun said:
Regardless, she was terrible in that interview and an embarrassment to good journalism.
Especially when she wears that red dress.

Which also proves she's a Commie.
Not really Eric.

Boydie88

3,283 posts

148 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Unfortunately Channel 4 and a lot of the usual culprits like the Guardian tried to claim off the back of it Peterson was a loon.

It's worked on some as one called Peterson Alt-Right in the James Damore thread.

But the majority see through it, as shown by the comments on the videos, and there is huge support for his views of the world.

Channel 4 came out saying they've had to recruit extra security regarding the threats Cathy received because of the interview when there is evidence to suggest it was the hordes of angry feminists that directed more abuse at Peterson.
https://hequal.wordpress.com/2018/01/22/cathy-newm...

And here's his own response to it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=46&amp...