Cycle Event Marshals
Discussion
Marcellus said:
BMWBen said:
If it's actually a race and not a sportive, then there should be a commissar following the group in a car who will disqualify any riders seen riding on the wrong side of white lines.
Didn't this happen in last years Tour of Britain?The road was fully closed with a Police rolling road block/outriders etc, quite a narrow road, the peloton being controlled by one of the teams so spread out across the width of the road but then two riders who didn't want to be controlled hopped onto the pavement to get past.
IIRC the peloton were fine to be riding across the road, the controlling team were OK to effectively be blocking the road but the two who went on the pavement were instantly disqualified.
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-of-b...
Marcellus said:
BMWBen said:
If it's actually a race and not a sportive, then there should be a commissar following the group in a car who will disqualify any riders seen riding on the wrong side of white lines.
Didn't this happen in last years Tour of Britain?The road was fully closed with a Police rolling road block/outriders etc, quite a narrow road, the peloton being controlled by one of the teams so spread out across the width of the road but then two riders who didn't want to be controlled hopped onto the pavement to get past.
IIRC the peloton were fine to be riding across the road, the controlling team were OK to effectively be blocking the road but the two who went on the pavement were instantly disqualified.
heebeegeetee said:
popeyewhite said:
Bacon Is Proof said:
Time triallers attempt to complete a course in as fast a time as possible, that's racing.
To the wider world it may be, and it's quite astonishing people should try to argue otherwise, but then this is PH 
Or do the great unwashed not know the difference between different principles?
Incidentally, if I remember correctly, in the Mille Miglia the cars used to start at 1 minute intervals, and the winner was the one who reached the finish line in the shortest time. So, did they refer to the Mille Miglia as a race, or something else?
Gargamel said:
Why does anyone care !
What happened to live and let live, If people want to compete a sportive, or time trial on bikes, what is the problem ?
Why would anyone object ? Surely only the most contemptible would bother raising a complaint, it affects them in absolutely no way whatsoever.
The difference between, a cyclist, and a cyclist trying to go a bit quicker, is absolutely nothing.
If a marshal is present it is only to ensure safety, I am pretty sure even the most vehemently anti cyclist PHer doesn't actually want to run anyone over.
We used to have a culture that permitted most things, and expected reasonable and decent behavior. Now it seems self centered people just prefer to scream ban.
I think you're right. Unfortunately we seem to have lost the willingness to take account of other people's interests and make (for the most part) minor adjustments to accommodate them, we seem to want to be fighting for our rights all the time, and the result is far more frustration and conflict than we need have, which helps nobody.What happened to live and let live, If people want to compete a sportive, or time trial on bikes, what is the problem ?
Why would anyone object ? Surely only the most contemptible would bother raising a complaint, it affects them in absolutely no way whatsoever.
The difference between, a cyclist, and a cyclist trying to go a bit quicker, is absolutely nothing.
If a marshal is present it is only to ensure safety, I am pretty sure even the most vehemently anti cyclist PHer doesn't actually want to run anyone over.
We used to have a culture that permitted most things, and expected reasonable and decent behavior. Now it seems self centered people just prefer to scream ban.
Edited by Gargamel on Tuesday 20th February 16:13
p1esk said:
I think you're right. Unfortunately we seem to have lost the willingness to take account of other people's interests and make (for the most part) minor adjustments to accommodate them, we seem to want to be fighting for our rights all the time, and the result is far more frustration and conflict than we need have, which helps nobody.
Not all of us.Just the misanthropes of this world. Like Mick.
p1esk said:
Well I might have this wrong, but I've always believed that if all the competitors start at the same time, and from the same point, and the winner is the one who reaches the finish line first, then that's a race; and any other arrangement is not a true race, it's a rally, or a time trial, or some other variation.
Incidentally, if I remember correctly, in the Mille Miglia the cars used to start at 1 minute intervals, and the winner was the one who reached the finish line in the shortest time. So, did they refer to the Mille Miglia as a race, or something else?
You're missing the point.Incidentally, if I remember correctly, in the Mille Miglia the cars used to start at 1 minute intervals, and the winner was the one who reached the finish line in the shortest time. So, did they refer to the Mille Miglia as a race, or something else?
It doesn't matter if you are racing against the clock or racing against another competitor at the same time. That's a diversion.
The Mille Miglia killed a lot of people you know...
TooMany2cvs said:
p1esk said:
I think you're right. Unfortunately we seem to have lost the willingness to take account of other people's interests and make (for the most part) minor adjustments to accommodate them, we seem to want to be fighting for our rights all the time, and the result is far more frustration and conflict than we need have, which helps nobody.
Not all of us.Just the misanthropes of this world. Like Mick.
Mr2Mike said:
Ares said:
More/less unnecessary than your supermarket run?
That's a pretty terrible example, it's obviously less necessary then purchasing food. Without food food, people starve. How many people would die from lack of cycling events?Or we could all just share the roads as intended.
Bacon Is Proof said:
You're missing the point.
It doesn't matter if you are racing against the clock or racing against another competitor at the same time. That's a diversion.
The Mille Miglia killed a lot of people you know...
What is the point then? Are you saying that forms of competition should be banned from the public roads? Are you a supposed car enthusiast trying to get long standing forms of motorsport with an *excellent* safety record stopped? Or are you still arguing that a rally is a race?It doesn't matter if you are racing against the clock or racing against another competitor at the same time. That's a diversion.
The Mille Miglia killed a lot of people you know...
They also say that more people were killed when the Mille Miglia roads were open to general traffic as normal. If you imagine the Italian road casualty rates in the 1920's - 1950's, that might just be true.
Bacon Is Proof said:
p1esk said:
Well I might have this wrong, but I've always believed that if all the competitors start at the same time, and from the same point, and the winner is the one who reaches the finish line first, then that's a race; and any other arrangement is not a true race, it's a rally, or a time trial, or some other variation.
Incidentally, if I remember correctly, in the Mille Miglia the cars used to start at 1 minute intervals, and the winner was the one who reached the finish line in the shortest time. So, did they refer to the Mille Miglia as a race, or something else?
You're missing the point.Incidentally, if I remember correctly, in the Mille Miglia the cars used to start at 1 minute intervals, and the winner was the one who reached the finish line in the shortest time. So, did they refer to the Mille Miglia as a race, or something else?
It doesn't matter if you are racing against the clock or racing against another competitor at the same time. That's a diversion.
The Mille Miglia killed a lot of people you know...
If my version of what constitues a race is wrong, that's fine. I wasn't entirely sure about it anyhow.
The matter of safety - or the lack of it - in the Mille Miglia is a quite separate matter. In fact I thought the event had been dropped following fatalities in the 1957 event. The name De Portago springs to mind, but that might be wrong.
Anyhow, thanks for your reply.
p1esk said:
The matter of safety - or the lack of it - in the Mille Miglia is a quite separate matter. In fact I thought the event had been dropped following fatalities in the 1957 event. The name De Portago springs to mind, but that might be wrong.
No, you're bob-on. Fon de Portago, his co-driver, and nine spectators including five kids.heebeegeetee said:
What is the point then?
That trying to travel as quickly as possible detracts from safety, and that we'd be better off closing roads before attempting it.It's the same point I made in my first post on the subject.
A post which you quoted.
<runs back to check post was written in English>
Bacon Is Proof said:
That trying to travel as quickly as possible detracts from safety, and that we'd be better off closing roads before attempting it.
So you do want to stop road rallying then?Would you agree that travelling more quickly than say, 30mph, also detracts from safety? Does driving convertibles detract from safety? Does driving classic cars detract from safety? Motor cycle casualty rates are off the scale, should motor cycling not be banned first?
Have you any idea of the scale of the safety issue of people cycling in a largely straight line a wide road?
Bacon Is Proof said:
ducks the subject
Whether it's down to deliberate misrepresentation or just shockingly low levels of comprehension, that meme is going to save me a lot of typing.
Why not just answer the question(s)?Whether it's down to deliberate misrepresentation or just shockingly low levels of comprehension, that meme is going to save me a lot of typing.
How do you know that time trialing detracts from safety? Where's your evidence? Personally I struggle to see why it would be unsafe, and certainly nowhere near as unsafe as other legal activities on the roads, so why not explain why you want safe activities to be banned?
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