Cycle Event Marshals
Discussion
mickmcpaddy said:
If I decide to go out to the supermarket and do some shopping why would I need to give way to a load of lycra louts trying to take over the roads? If I am on a main road and they come up to a give way its there responsibility to stop, not mine, no matter how colourful someones little flag is.
Is Ocado down?captain_cynic said:
Because those using their motor vehicles for leisure don't block thoroughfares for others.
Not sure when the last street circuit was in the UK... but in other countries if there is an organised street racing event, the area is cordoned off to other traffic and the route gazetted well in advance (I.E. Targa West, the last stage is a street circuit in Perth).
Don't see why cyclists should have different rules. Want to organise a road race, get permission, gazette it and set up diversions.
Otherwise, LG9K's suggestion was a fantastic one... going further along that line, why not simply hire one of our existing Motorsport facilities for the purposes of cycle racing on tarmac? Zero traffic, no pedestrians, far smoother tarmac than a normal road, people can watch.
They already do this, it's called a criterium (or crit), Crystal Palace every Tuesday during the summer, for e.g.Not sure when the last street circuit was in the UK... but in other countries if there is an organised street racing event, the area is cordoned off to other traffic and the route gazetted well in advance (I.E. Targa West, the last stage is a street circuit in Perth).
Don't see why cyclists should have different rules. Want to organise a road race, get permission, gazette it and set up diversions.
Otherwise, LG9K's suggestion was a fantastic one... going further along that line, why not simply hire one of our existing Motorsport facilities for the purposes of cycle racing on tarmac? Zero traffic, no pedestrians, far smoother tarmac than a normal road, people can watch.
It is of course a different type of racing from road racing - which is why road racing takes place on the, well, road.
BMWBen said:
Right, so obviously you've missed the part earlier in the thread when it was confirmed that indeed marshals can stop traffic to allow the bikes to pass according to the rules of the road.
According to the "rules of the road" (by which I mean "the law" rather than the rules of the road that you might dream up yourself), this is permitted.
You still seem to have also missed the point that a huge amount of road use *by cars* is for leisure, and those cars hold up *other cars* and, believe it or not... cyclists.
I know its the law, I'm saying its a totally unnecessary law that shouldn't be imposed on people out and about driving happily along.According to the "rules of the road" (by which I mean "the law" rather than the rules of the road that you might dream up yourself), this is permitted.
You still seem to have also missed the point that a huge amount of road use *by cars* is for leisure, and those cars hold up *other cars* and, believe it or not... cyclists.
Ares said:
Please post a link to the (quite considerable) research. Really interested in reading it. TAGL
Google Scholar might help. But unless you're at MMU you won't have access to the Uni website. I could link you to some GCSE textbooks that explain human behaviour in layman's terms for you if you'd like?captain_cynic said:
Don't see why cyclists should have different rules. Want to organise a road race, get permission, gazette it and set up diversions.
So your solution to being held up by a man with a flag for ten seconds is to have the road closed to all traffic but the cyclists? Rather a disproportionate response.Ares said:
More/less unnecessary than your supermarket run?
And I think we were talking about 60-90seconds of delay. SECONDS, not minutes. SECONDS. Less time than you would get held up in your vitally important vehicle at a set of traffic lights. Less time than you got delayed by taking a s
t before you set off.
It doesn't matter whether its necessary or not, I drive to the supermarket or wherever expecting to be able to use the roads as intended, not get told to stop when I should have priority because someone is performing a leisure activity.And I think we were talking about 60-90seconds of delay. SECONDS, not minutes. SECONDS. Less time than you would get held up in your vitally important vehicle at a set of traffic lights. Less time than you got delayed by taking a s
t before you set off.Its the context of it as well, I wouldn't mind waiting a few minutes if a delivery driver holds up traffic because someone is trying to back a big truck out of a tight entrance or an ambulance is blocking the road. it does however piss me off when a woman blocks the road with her big fat arse is hanging out of the rear door whilst she f
ks about with her sprog. So its not the waiting that bothers me but the reason for waiting.mickmcpaddy said:
BMWBen said:
Right, so obviously you've missed the part earlier in the thread when it was confirmed that indeed marshals can stop traffic to allow the bikes to pass according to the rules of the road.
According to the "rules of the road" (by which I mean "the law" rather than the rules of the road that you might dream up yourself), this is permitted.
You still seem to have also missed the point that a huge amount of road use *by cars* is for leisure, and those cars hold up *other cars* and, believe it or not... cyclists.
I know its the law, I'm saying its a totally unnecessary law that shouldn't be imposed on people out and about driving happily along.According to the "rules of the road" (by which I mean "the law" rather than the rules of the road that you might dream up yourself), this is permitted.
You still seem to have also missed the point that a huge amount of road use *by cars* is for leisure, and those cars hold up *other cars* and, believe it or not... cyclists.
My original point therefore stands: you're the one being anti-social, because you think you're more important than other people going about their perfectly lawful business and so can ignore the rules as you see fit and try and prevent them from doing so.
All the anecdotes on this thread about idiots ignoring reasonable restrictions on where they can go are describing the type of person that you are. Remember that.
mickmcpaddy said:
Ares said:
More/less unnecessary than your supermarket run?
And I think we were talking about 60-90seconds of delay. SECONDS, not minutes. SECONDS. Less time than you would get held up in your vitally important vehicle at a set of traffic lights. Less time than you got delayed by taking a st before you set off.
It doesn't matter whether its necessary or not, I drive to the supermarket or wherever expecting to be able to *use the roads as intended*, not get told to stop when I should have priority because someone is performing a leisure activity.And I think we were talking about 60-90seconds of delay. SECONDS, not minutes. SECONDS. Less time than you would get held up in your vitally important vehicle at a set of traffic lights. Less time than you got delayed by taking a s
t before you set off.Its the context of it as well, I wouldn't mind waiting a few minutes if a delivery driver holds up traffic because someone is trying to back a big truck out of a tight entrance or an ambulance is blocking the road. it does however piss me off when a woman blocks the road with her big fat arse is hanging out of the rear door whilst she f
ks about with her sprog. So its not the waiting that bothers me but the reason for waiting.Reality check: your opinion on what the roads are for is completely irrelevant.
Dammit said:
captain_cynic said:
Because those using their motor vehicles for leisure don't block thoroughfares for others.
Not sure when the last street circuit was in the UK... but in other countries if there is an organised street racing event, the area is cordoned off to other traffic and the route gazetted well in advance (I.E. Targa West, the last stage is a street circuit in Perth).
Don't see why cyclists should have different rules. Want to organise a road race, get permission, gazette it and set up diversions.
Otherwise, LG9K's suggestion was a fantastic one... going further along that line, why not simply hire one of our existing Motorsport facilities for the purposes of cycle racing on tarmac? Zero traffic, no pedestrians, far smoother tarmac than a normal road, people can watch.
They already do this, it's called a criterium (or crit), Crystal Palace every Tuesday during the summer, for e.g.Not sure when the last street circuit was in the UK... but in other countries if there is an organised street racing event, the area is cordoned off to other traffic and the route gazetted well in advance (I.E. Targa West, the last stage is a street circuit in Perth).
Don't see why cyclists should have different rules. Want to organise a road race, get permission, gazette it and set up diversions.
Otherwise, LG9K's suggestion was a fantastic one... going further along that line, why not simply hire one of our existing Motorsport facilities for the purposes of cycle racing on tarmac? Zero traffic, no pedestrians, far smoother tarmac than a normal road, people can watch.
It is of course a different type of racing from road racing - which is why road racing takes place on the, well, road.
Or Rally Vs Circuit racing
popeyewhite said:
Ares said:
Please post a link to the (quite considerable) research. Really interested in reading it. TAGL
Google Scholar might help. But unless you're at MMU you won't have access to the Uni website. I could link you to some GCSE textbooks that explain human behaviour in layman's terms for you if you'd like?
Perhaps you can access it and post it. Or send it to me and I'll host.
gazza285 said:
captain_cynic said:
Don't see why cyclists should have different rules. Want to organise a road race, get permission, gazette it and set up diversions.
So your solution to being held up by a man with a flag for ten seconds is to have the road closed to all traffic but the cyclists? Rather a disproportionate response.
mickmcpaddy said:
Ares said:
More/less unnecessary than your supermarket run?
And I think we were talking about 60-90seconds of delay. SECONDS, not minutes. SECONDS. Less time than you would get held up in your vitally important vehicle at a set of traffic lights. Less time than you got delayed by taking a st before you set off.
It doesn't matter whether its necessary or not, I drive to the supermarket or wherever expecting to be able to use the roads as intended, not get told to stop when I should have priority because someone is performing a leisure activity.And I think we were talking about 60-90seconds of delay. SECONDS, not minutes. SECONDS. Less time than you would get held up in your vitally important vehicle at a set of traffic lights. Less time than you got delayed by taking a s
t before you set off.Its the context of it as well, I wouldn't mind waiting a few minutes if a delivery driver holds up traffic because someone is trying to back a big truck out of a tight entrance or an ambulance is blocking the road. it does however piss me off when a woman blocks the road with her big fat arse is hanging out of the rear door whilst she f
ks about with her sprog. So its not the waiting that bothers me but the reason for waiting.Please allow me to extend my fullest apologies, I had no idea the magnitude of the importance we had on this site. Perhaps Sir might permit me to use your highway from time to time if I tug at my forelock, m'lud.
popeyewhite said:
Ares said:
Not sure I'm authorised to tell you your mind, but I'm fairly sure you'd be even more unhappy if the roads were totally closed every weekend....?
More unhappy than what? As long as there was adequate notice choosing a different route to work would make no difference to me.
Ares said:
popeyewhite said:
Ares said:
Not sure I'm authorised to tell you your mind, but I'm fairly sure you'd be even more unhappy if the roads were totally closed every weekend....?
More unhappy than what? As long as there was adequate notice choosing a different route to work would make no difference to me.popeyewhite said:
Ares said:
popeyewhite said:
Ares said:
Not sure I'm authorised to tell you your mind, but I'm fairly sure you'd be even more unhappy if the roads were totally closed every weekend....?
More unhappy than what? As long as there was adequate notice choosing a different route to work would make no difference to me.BMWBen said:
Hold up a second. The law defines how the roads are intended to be used, not you. I wasn't aware that you were the singular authority on "what things are for in the uk". Do you have a special hat?
Reality check: your opinion on what the roads are for is completely irrelevant.
Of course its an opinion but its not irrelevant to me is it. People have strong opinions about things all the while and are convinced they are right, I'm convinced the roads shouldn't be used for cyclists to monopolise for some sort of race, I think they should hire a venue for it. Just like if I want a party I cant get the tables and chairs out in the street like they've done in the past, I would hire a club or pub for it.Reality check: your opinion on what the roads are for is completely irrelevant.
We are working out in Cheshire at the minute and every morning two coppers have the speed gun out catching unsuspecting motorists, yet not 100 yards down the road is a prison where blinged up Range Rovers and top of the range Audis come to visit "their crew" inside most days. Now my opinion is they are obviously drug dealers or worse and the two coppers are behaving despicably by catching motorists when they could walk down the street and harass some known villains. Thats just my opinion but knowbody will ever be able to convince me I'm wrong.
mickmcpaddy said:
BMWBen said:
Hold up a second. The law defines how the roads are intended to be used, not you. I wasn't aware that you were the singular authority on "what things are for in the uk". Do you have a special hat?
Reality check: your opinion on what the roads are for is completely irrelevant.
Of course its an opinion but its not irrelevant to me is it. People have strong opinions about things all the while and are convinced they are right, I'm convinced the roads shouldn't be used for cyclists to monopolise for some sort of race, I think they should hire a venue for it. Just like if I want a party I cant get the tables and chairs out in the street like they've done in the past, I would hire a club or pub for it.Reality check: your opinion on what the roads are for is completely irrelevant.
We are working out in Cheshire at the minute and every morning two coppers have the speed gun out catching unsuspecting motorists, yet not 100 yards down the road is a prison where blinged up Range Rovers and top of the range Audis come to visit "their crew" inside most days. Now my opinion is they are obviously drug dealers or worse and the two coppers are behaving despicably by catching motorists when they could walk down the street and harass some known villains. Thats just my opinion but knowbody will ever be able to convince me I'm wrong.
But....have you thought that the reason they are speed trapping so close to a prison is so that they might have a legitimate reason to stop some of these cars, and thus do a search/background check etc....?
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