cant pay we'll take away compo

[kingswood]

broswing bbc news and came across this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43155289

quite a fan of the show, think most of them do a good job in difficult circumstances. the way these people where used for entertainment purposes maybe is a bit low but welcome to trash tv!, wont be the first or last.

the fact theyve been awarded compo is madness and opens a massive can of worms. how does this effect traffic cops etc, or because theyve committed an offence wont it count?

do you think they'll pay the arreas with the 20k compo? me, id start another claim against them now theyve got assests to pay with!

[Burwood]

Good. Sensationist crap tv invading private dwellings. All for profit. Of course they’ll pay. They earned that every ad break

There are scum bags everywhere but I don’t doubt for a minute that a family man with kids is going to be frivolous about eviction. And on face value the chap had been struck down with serious illness. The producers should had chosen a more suitable story to follow.

[akirk]

they didn't have his permission to show it
he specifically withdrew permission
they tried to weasel out of it
they broke the law

good result

[Brainpox]

Shameless. The article doesn't state it explicitly but I assume the man used to work? And through ill health he no longer can, and he and his family now face eviction, and Channel 5 are trying to say that it's in the public interest to document this and broadcast it nationwide?

Why does ANYONE pay for TV anymore? It's total ste.

£20k is too light imo. Good on Mr Ali for taking it to them though. Newspapers would have to pay more if they did something similar, and that would be to a smaller audience.

[KAgantua]

good for him

not wholly comfortable with the sharing of bodycams etc on tv

[pip t]

Good.

There is a difference between filming in a public place, where you do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and in your private dwelling where you do. This seems like a pretty low standard from the producers of this show, and they have rightly been held to account for it.

Regarding the footage from the traffic cops programs that was referred to, this filming largely takes place on the street, so the expectation of privacy would not apply.

[Blue Oval84]

pip t said:

Good.
Regarding the footage from the traffic cops programs that was referred to, this filming largely takes place on the street, so the expectation of privacy would not apply.

^This.

It's one thing to get unlucky with, for example, a drink drive arrest by a cop that happens to have a film crew in tow... It's quite another to have a film crew come into your home and film you being evicted from it.

I note that shows like Road Wars tend to only show you the faces on the first screening, if you watch the ancient repeats they've blurred out and bleeped all the names. Presumably so that some poor sod who was stopped for low level drug possession in 2004 doesn't end up losing his job in 2018 when his boss sees a re-run on Channel 5.

[Contract Killer]

I hope they use the money to pay the landlord who was out out pocket by their selfishness

I have watched pretty much every episode, and not once have i felt any symphony for a debtor.

They bring it on themselves.

[hairyben]

The premise of the show has always struck me as a weird form of sadisdical voyeurism, and scarily resemblant of the film industrys bleak dystopian visions of the future. I assumed the participants were paid off afterwards, if they weren't I'm surprised it took this long.

[gazza285]

Contract Killer said:

I hope they use the money to pay the landlord who was out out pocket by their selfishness

I have watched pretty much every episode, and not once have i felt any symphony for a debtor.

They bring it on themselves.

Quite the charmer, aren't you.

[stuartmmcfc]

One of my favourite recent episodes was when they clamped the Majors official car because the council owed money.

[myvision]

Contract Killer said:

I hope they use the money to pay the landlord who was out out pocket by their selfishness

I have watched pretty much every episode, and not once have i felt any symphony for a debtor.

They bring it on themselves.

Are these the couple who were also subletting the other rooms?

[TwistingMyMelon]

It is an odd programme

The BBC ran a similar one with the same company, but just concentrated on businesses that had dodged debts and invoices and not individuals, which was a better idea

[kingswood]

Contract Killer said:

I hope they use the money to pay the landlord who was out out pocket by their selfishness

I have watched pretty much every episode, and not once have i felt any symphony for a debtor.

They bring it on themselves.

this was pretty much my take on it.

whereas you can have empathy for someone falling on hard time through illness etc you cant have something for nothing. they wld have been several letters and notices before the ballifs came.

someome else was poaying for their house, and whereas alot of landlords are scum themselves - see nightmare tennents and landlords, another quaility channel 5 show - in alot of cases its just your normal joe renting out 1 house, accidental landlords.

[Sam.]

kingswood said:

broswing bbc news and came across this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43155289

quite a fan of the show, think most of them do a good job in difficult circumstances. the way these people where used for entertainment purposes maybe is a bit low but welcome to trash tv!, wont be the first or last.

the fact theyve been awarded compo is madness and opens a massive can of worms. how does this effect traffic cops etc, or because theyve committed an offence wont it count?

do you think they'll pay the arreas with the 20k compo? me, id start another claim against them now theyve got assests to pay with!

Personally i think if they owed 18k and got 20k compo, that it should be awarded to the claimant then the remaining to the victims

[surveyor_101]

kingswood said:

this was pretty much my take on it.

whereas you can have empathy for someone falling on hard time through illness etc you cant have something for nothing. they wld have been several letters and notices before the ballifs came.

someome else was poaying for their house, and whereas alot of landlords are scum themselves - see nightmare tennents and landlords, another quaility channel 5 show - in alot of cases its just your normal joe renting out 1 house, accidental landlords.

It's unfortunate that he fell into rent arrears because of illness, but we don't know the 'ins and 'outs'. I would be surprised if Mr Ali didn't get some sort of housing benefit to help pay the rent. Did he make any token payments at this time? Did he attempt to negotiate with the landlord? We don't know as often if it got to this point they would have stopped communicating and paying!

Most landlords don't go to court and get a repossession order willy-nilly. It's an expensive hobby and a pretty long drawn out process were if the tenant wishes to attend and give their side at court they can and offer to make repayments and put forward the circumstances to the judge.

I have heard of tenants not paying a bean and being able to delay the court process with claims against the landlord.

All to often in these cases the tenant has not paid a bean for 6 months plus and the tenant has ignored or not engage with the landlord or the courts on the issue leaving the court no option but to issue the notice.

I would expect the tenant didn't engage and just ignored it all. The landlord will be thousands out of pocket and only a few are loaded and can afford it!

Mr Ali would have been given a fair crack of the whip by the courts as the process is heavily weighed in the tenant's favour.


And in most cases, the landlord will not see a penny of the back rent or court costs.

Also if worst came to the worst and I had been evicted I would have got my family and things out of the house in prep (You get 14 days from memory!) and when the bailiffs showed up given them the keys and taken their paperwork to the council so I could prove I had been evicted and ask for emergency housing. I don't understand why most of the people are in bed or watching telly like its not happening.

Edited by surveyor_101 on Friday 23 February 10:30

[anonymous-user]

Contract Killer said:

I have watched pretty much every episode, and not once have i felt any symphony for a debtor.

They bring it on themselves.

Orchestrate it themselves do you mean?

[surveyor_101]

REALIST123 said:

Orchestrate it themselves do you mean?

The only way you get bailiffs on your doorstep in 98% of cases is if you have ignored and not engaged with people to resolve the issue.

I had a bailiffs letter due to my council deciding 5 years ago I underpaid an amount of council tax. I called them and the council and council withdrew the £70 court fee as proved they sent letters to my old address when they had my current and it was there error.

I agreed to pay the debt over 3 months with the bailiff's call centre. I incurred no bailiff visit or fee. If I had ignored the debt would have been £235 more and I could have been filmed!

[jith]

surveyor_101 said:

REALIST123 said:

Orchestrate it themselves do you mean?

The only way you get bailiffs on your doorstep in 98% of cases is if you have ignored and not engaged with people to resolve the issue.

Oh really? I suggest you rethink that remark.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=11...

A classic example of how appallingly abused the English legal system is by those working outside the court's jurisdiction. I detest these voyeuristic TV shows that appeal to the weak minded.

J

[NGee]

jith said:

surveyor_101 said:

The only way you get bailiffs on your doorstep in 98% of cases is if you have ignored and not engaged with people to resolve the issue.

Oh really? I suggest you rethink that remark.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=11...

A classic example of how appallingly abused the English legal system is by those working outside the court's jurisdiction. I detest these voyeuristic TV shows that appeal to the weak minded.

J

There are always going to be exceptions to any rule and I do feel sorry for people caught up in such a situation. However surveyor_101 did say 98% and I would go along with this figure, most (well 98%!) of the people shown in these type of programs adopt the 'head in the sand' attitude and then appear surprised when the problem doesn't go away.