How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)

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Big Al.

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68,798 posts

257 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

158 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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A bit of progress today.

Still a lot of time for showboating.

esxste

3,665 posts

105 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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From what little details I've gleaned from the BBC about this transitional deal, it seems like the EU is getting its way on everything smile

Well on our way to a fudge of a brexit that makes no-one happy.

captain_cynic

11,873 posts

94 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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Troubleatmill said:
A bit of progress today.
That depends on what you mean by progress. The can has been kicked a little further down the road. So the Brexit date is now 2020 rather than 2019, we still have no idea what a post-EU Britain would look like.

ElectricSoup

8,202 posts

150 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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The UK has effectively signed up to staying in the EU without political representation for 2 years after the leave date. Not only that, we won't be able to change our minds during those two years, meaning we're agreeing now to take whatever deal is agreed during transition for our end relationship. Or, no deal and bang, cliff edge. Vast majority of this agreement today is EU terms, as I always suspected it would be. It is essentially a disaster being dressed up as a victory.

Did anyone vote for this? Shouldn't we get a further say on the situation now?

Bill

52,476 posts

254 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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esxste said:
Well on our way to a fudge of a brexit that makes no-one happy.
I can't see how anyone would expect anything else. 35% of the population wanted to stay, 28% couldn't be arsed voting and the 37% who wanted out (assuming none of them were protest votes...) are split between hard/soft/somewhere between.

It was always going to be a massive balls up, even before May chucked away a majority trying to get a mandate.

Vanden Saab

13,891 posts

73 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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Another 500 hundred pages of we are doomed, its all a massive ballsup or we need another vote because (insert this weeks reason ...here...) while between the UK and the EU more agreements are made, more negotiations are completed, more problems are solved and more common ground is found.

marvellous.

amusingduck

9,396 posts

135 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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can sidicks post on this thread? scratchchin

WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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esxste said:
From what little details I've gleaned from the BBC about this transitional deal, it seems like the EU is getting its way on everything smile

Well on our way to a fudge of a brexit that makes no-one happy.
seems that way, they could have at least made one side happy

Mrr T

12,152 posts

264 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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esxste said:
From what little details I've gleaned from the BBC about this transitional deal, it seems like the EU is getting its way on everything smile

Well on our way to a fudge of a brexit that makes no-one happy.
They have kindly allowed us to negotiate new trade deals but they can only come into force with the agreement of the rEU or when we leave. At least Mr Fox now has a job. Let’s see how good he is at it.

The rEU have also been clear the TM cake, eat it and unicorns plan is dead. Its Canada or nothing.

Now all the UK needs to do now is:
1. Work out a solution to the Irish border and
2. Build the software and infrastructure to keep the channel border open and
3. Convince France to build the software and infrastructure to keep the channel border open and
4. Lots and lots of other stuff.

I will take a small bet the transition deal will be extended, and extended and extended.

From a personal point of view I would be happy with just a one year’s extension.





Edited by Mrr T on Monday 19th March 17:03

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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Vanden Saab said:
Another 500 hundred pages of we are doomed, its all a massive ballsup or we need another vote because (insert this weeks reason ...here...) while between the UK and the EU more agreements are made, more negotiations are completed, more problems are solved and more common ground is found.

marvellous.
You're far too sensible.


sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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amusingduck said:
can sidicks post on this thread? scratchchin
If it’s the usual protaganists continuing with the same tired arguments, then not sure there’s much to add!
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Blue62

8,746 posts

151 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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Bill said:
I can't see how anyone would expect anything else. 35% of the population wanted to stay, 28% couldn't be arsed voting and the 37% who wanted out (assuming none of them were protest votes...) are split between hard/soft/somewhere between.

It was always going to be a massive balls up, even before May chucked away a majority trying to get a mandate.
Well said. It's being dressed up again of course but to me it's looking as though we will either get the cliff edge the hard liners crave or a Swiss/Norway style arrangement that suits nobody, meanwhile the can continues to be kicked down the road.

dbdb

4,311 posts

172 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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Bill said:
esxste said:
Well on our way to a fudge of a brexit that makes no-one happy.
I can't see how anyone would expect anything else. 35% of the population wanted to stay, 28% couldn't be arsed voting and the 37% who wanted out (assuming none of them were protest votes...) are split between hard/soft/somewhere between.

It was always going to be a massive balls up, even before May chucked away a majority trying to get a mandate.
I agree. It is a mess and that was inevitable.

I wonder though whether the fudge leaves too many too unhappy. If that is the result and the Government can't sell the deal to its various factions, then we will go for a no-deal cliff-edge or end up remaining after a second referendum. I swing between the two; currently I suspect we will end up not managing a deal. But who knows?

amusingduck

9,396 posts

135 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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sidicks said:
amusingduck said:
can sidicks post on this thread? scratchchin
If it’s the usual protaganists continuing with the same tired arguments, then not sure there’s much to add!
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welcome back biggrin

beer

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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amusingduck said:
sidicks said:
amusingduck said:
can sidicks post on this thread? scratchchin
If it’s the usual protaganists continuing with the same tired arguments, then not sure there’s much to add!
wink
welcome back biggrin

beer
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wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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sidicks said:
If it’s the usual protaganists continuing with the same tired arguments, then not sure there’s much to add!
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welcome back sid smile ,look forward to your input .

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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wc98 said:
sidicks said:
If it’s the usual protaganists continuing with the same tired arguments, then not sure there’s much to add!
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welcome back sid smile ,look forward to your input .
+1 wink

JagLover

42,265 posts

234 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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esxste said:
From what little details I've gleaned from the BBC about this transitional deal, it seems like the EU is getting its way on everything smile

May capitulating in stages smile

Due to government unprepardness a transition deal was required though, and is likely to be the only thing of value to the UK from the "negotiations".



citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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has JRM piped up yet?
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