Could this happen in the UK?
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It probably already has, at some point.
But the prevalence of cameras and filling everything is bringing more of this stuff to light.
However, the US police seem to have a hair trigger for their "attitude test" (especially when subject is black), and their general approach seems to be overwhelming force is the best solution, period.
From the few (as in a tiny proportion of police interactions) videos i've seen, the uk police can be prompted to dish out this level of force, but very rarely.
I'd also say the uk has a stronger accountability for the police than the US, though it's far from perfect.
Ian
Ian
But the prevalence of cameras and filling everything is bringing more of this stuff to light.
However, the US police seem to have a hair trigger for their "attitude test" (especially when subject is black), and their general approach seems to be overwhelming force is the best solution, period.
From the few (as in a tiny proportion of police interactions) videos i've seen, the uk police can be prompted to dish out this level of force, but very rarely.
I'd also say the uk has a stronger accountability for the police than the US, though it's far from perfect.
Ian
Ian
Ian Geary said:
It probably already has, at some point.
But the prevalence of cameras and filling everything is bringing more of this stuff to light.
However, the US police seem to have a hair trigger for their "attitude test" (especially when subject is black), and their general approach seems to be overwhelming force is the best solution, period.
From the few (as in a tiny proportion of police interactions) videos i've seen, the uk police can be prompted to dish out this level of force, but very rarely.
I'd also say the uk has a stronger accountability for the police than the US, though it's far from perfect.
Ian
Ian
The police attended, in some numbers, to reports of a woman waiting to speak to a manager.But the prevalence of cameras and filling everything is bringing more of this stuff to light.
However, the US police seem to have a hair trigger for their "attitude test" (especially when subject is black), and their general approach seems to be overwhelming force is the best solution, period.
From the few (as in a tiny proportion of police interactions) videos i've seen, the uk police can be prompted to dish out this level of force, but very rarely.
I'd also say the uk has a stronger accountability for the police than the US, though it's far from perfect.
Ian
Ian
What seems unlikely in the UK (in my experience of calling them to attend rather more serious matters) is that they would turn up before the woman had managed to speak with the manager...
Another way to look at it:
McDonalds decides to charge you for it's packaging on top of the food.
Would your reaction be enough to warrant the manager wanting to call for assistance from the police in the first place? Or would you just move on with your life?
We're only getting one side of the story here.
McDonalds decides to charge you for it's packaging on top of the food.
Would your reaction be enough to warrant the manager wanting to call for assistance from the police in the first place? Or would you just move on with your life?
We're only getting one side of the story here.
Then there's the Starbucks arrest - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43815589
Or this one - http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/starbucks... .
White non customer was allowed to use the bathroom but black non customer wasn't..
Or this one - http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/starbucks... .
White non customer was allowed to use the bathroom but black non customer wasn't..
Could this happen in the UK?
article said:
When Chikesia Clemons was charged for plastic cutlery at a Waffle House in Alabama she cancelled her order and asked to speak to the district manager.
Police were called to deal with the confrontation, and the situation escalated.
No. If someone in the UK was charged for cutlery they'd pay, mutter quietly to themselves then go home and post about it on the internet afterwards.Police were called to deal with the confrontation, and the situation escalated.
davidball said:
Shocking over reaction by Alabama police.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-4387319...
The Daily Mail/Sun would have a field day. Few things get a Daily Mail reader more riled up than reading about bad behaviour by police, gives them a reason to complain about SJW's and how society is going to hell.http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-4387319...
Seriously, it could happen in the UK, but there would be serious consequences as we have high standards for our police forces. They're given a lot of power over the average person and are expected to handle it responsibly. In the US, I expect this to be forgotten once the 24-hour news cycle moves on.
La Liga said:
Not that the OP has any interest in any actual debate or learning anything (as per his posting history), but the simple, and obvious answer is, "It depends on the circumstances".
Bold bit is totally unnecessary IMO. Often you have interesting and pertinent opinions and it's obvious you know an awful lot about procedure etc. Sometimes, however, you come across as having a gigantic chip on your shoulder, especially if anyone dares suggest the Police are less than perfect - which in truth they very often are.
(I have no truck with plod, my lil' bro is a dog handler within the service and I have several friends "in".)
OpulentBob said:
La Liga said:
Not that the OP has any interest in any actual debate or learning anything (as per his posting history), but the simple, and obvious answer is, "It depends on the circumstances".
Bold bit is totally unnecessary IMO. Often you have interesting and pertinent opinions and it's obvious you know an awful lot about procedure etc. Sometimes, however, you come across as having a gigantic chip on your shoulder, especially if anyone dares suggest the Police are less than perfect - which in truth they very often are.
(I have no truck with plod, my lil' bro is a dog handler within the service and I have several friends "in".)
I hope I don't come across with a 'chip'. I'm perfectly happy to accept police wrong-doing when it's supported (not commenting on this incident) by evidence and facts.
- Edited to make more sense.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 26th April 14:37
Zetec-S said:
Could this happen in the UK?
article said:
When Chikesia Clemons was charged for plastic cutlery at a Waffle House in Alabama she cancelled her order and asked to speak to the district manager.
Police were called to deal with the confrontation, and the situation escalated.
No. If someone in the UK was charged for cutlery they'd pay, mutter quietly to themselves then go home and post about it on the internet afterwards.Police were called to deal with the confrontation, and the situation escalated.
very true. La Liga said:
t is blunt, but check his posting history for the justification of the comment. He received the benefit of the doubt when he started commenting on police firearms threads. Others and I took the time to explain things and give some insight. However, it quickly clear he had no interest other than to push his incorrect and narrow narrative.
I hope I don't come across with a 'chip'. I'm perfectly happy to accept police wrong-doing when it's supported (not commenting on this incident) by evidence and facts.
But you do exhibit a chip on your shoulder and the "edit" to make more sense failed.I hope I don't come across with a 'chip'. I'm perfectly happy to accept police wrong-doing when it's supported (not commenting on this incident) by evidence and facts.
- Edited to make more sense.
Edited by La Liga on Thursday 26th April 14:37
OpulentBob said:
La Liga said:
Not that the OP has any interest in any actual debate or learning anything (as per his posting history), but the simple, and obvious answer is, "It depends on the circumstances".
Bold bit is totally unnecessary IMO. Often you have interesting and pertinent opinions and it's obvious you know an awful lot about procedure etc. Sometimes, however, you come across as having a gigantic chip on your shoulder, especially if anyone dares suggest the Police are less than perfect - which in truth they very often are.
(I have no truck with plod, my lil' bro is a dog handler within the service and I have several friends "in".)
But, I think he had hit the nail on the head in this instance. I think a lot of people cringe when they read David’s ‘opinions’.
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