Tresspassers will (not) be prosecuted...

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gothatway said:

Agreed. And doubtless landowners would then have a duty of care to these guys (ooh the poor flower got stung by a stinging nettle, nasty farmer should not have allowed it to grow there). Suspect they think that "all property is theft". Except theirs of course.

i think you might be taking an extreme viewpoint. as already mentioned norway seem to manage ok with little restriction on where people can go. i am well aware some people cause problems on others land. the way to deal with that is to deal with the individuals whether it be littering, vandalism or anything else. not throw the baby out with the bathwater and ban everyone.

what gets on my goat up here is the old public rights of way leading to the coast. these were established not only for people walking but to use with the transport of the day, namely horse and cart.many are being closed ,usually after lightly publicised consultations that very few hear of until too late. when speaking to a couple of landowners it was down to the usual scum turning up for a weekends partying and leaving the place a sthole. i would rather these idiots be dealt with properly than just be moved on to become someone else's problem. i travel all over the country fishing and am sick to the back teeth of seeing the mess they leave behind myself.

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Aside from your inability to express yourself without resorting to obscenities, I agree with your sentiment - only I'd refer to oiks who think they own the planet just because they breathe in its atmosphere. A very current example ...
A young couple have just mortgaged themselves to the hilt to buy a neighbouring farm which suffers from having a right of way across one of the fields. This particular field has a water trough whose supply was isolated a few weeks ago due to the float mechanism being damaged - not by cattle or any other livestock as there have been none in there since it worked. Probably by fairies. The isolation stopcock can only be accessed and turned by human hand. This morning it had been turned on, as a result of which gallons of water have flooded out. The bill to be borne by this young couple is about £1000. That's a thousand pounds which would have gone part of the way towards paying their next mortgage installment. Guess how they feel about any sort of right to roam ?

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rix said:

.. it seems bizarre that police are powerless to move people on/arrest etc etc!

Always thought "trespass" was not an illegal act for much of the land in the UK. Therefore police are not able to arrest.
The only areas where this is different is on crown property such as MOD land, Railways or land under special protection (Queen's palace, government buildings etc)

I had heard of something called "aggravated trespass", which becomes 'illegal' due to the offender resisting or refusing to vacate the land the land owner is asking them to be removed from.
And this is where I don't understand the lack of action from police when it comes to protesters or pik£ys.

[Red Devil]

gothatway said:

A young couple have just mortgaged themselves to the hilt to buy a neighbouring farm which suffers from having a right of way across one of the fields.

Suffer? You're having a giraffe.

My entire childhood (age of majority was different back then) was spent in the country.
RoWs go with the territory. If you're looking for sympathy on their behalf you'll not find it from me.
They would have known one existed when they bought it. If not, their solicitor/conveyancer was incompetent.

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gothatway said:

There are, I think, land owners and land owners just as their are variables in those who use footpaths or wander.

Along with rights come responsibilities. It requires reasonableness and co-operation on both sides.
Sadly that is something which is increasingly lacking in society nowadays.

[gothatway]

Red Devil said:

RoWs go with the territory. If you're looking for sympathy on their behalf you'll not find it from me.
They would have known one existed when they bought it. If not, their solicitor/conveyancer was incompetent.

Ooh, you're a really nice character, aren't you ! Of course they know it existed - it appears on all the maps - otherwise the oiks wouldn't know about it.

Red Devil said:

Along with rights come responsibilities. It requires reasonableness and co-operation on both sides.
Sadly that is something which is increasingly lacking in society nowadays.

We agree there. How is it reasonable or cooperative to leave water flooding out of a stopcock ?

Shame you cannot work out how to quote, but I guess there are other things you need to concentrate on. Like understanding someone else's point of view.

[Graveworm]

gothatway said:

We agree there. How is it reasonable or cooperative to leave water flooding out of a stopcock ?

Shame you cannot work out how to quote, but I guess there are other things you need to concentrate on. Like understanding someone else's point of view.

It isn't but behaving wrong will happen with or without rights of way. Right to roam is on hold like most other things over Brexit but it will probably come so best to get used to it. When you buy land with a ROW it's cheaper as a result. That's something to factor in. Land that has ready access is also cheaper.

My front drive is not a ROW but it's a convenient cut through, similarly alleyways around the rear of my premises. Lots of people use them. It probably contributed to some "Oik" cutting through the wall of my garage to steal tools etc as someone probably saw what was within. It was a hassle and I lost over 20K worth of stuff. So I could have reason to be upset at the illegal trespass or just try to be a good neighbour and realise it's not worth worrying about.