Transit Tourneo Speed limit
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We have a Transit Tourneo here at work, 9 seats in total, so 8 passenger seats classed as M1 use Max weight 3000kgs registered as an MPV one of the drivers has received a FPN for 70 on a duel carridgeway for breaking the class of vehicle limit. we believe as it is a class M1 vehicle less than 3000kg and an MPV it so should be able to travel at 70 and not the lower van limit of 60. having trouble finding a definitive rule for this.
I think the GVW on this is 3100kg, and the ULW is around 2200kg so over the 2000kg weight limit for a dual purpose or CDV rated vehicle, despite the M1 rating.
https://www.ford.co.uk/content/dam/guxeu/uk/docume...
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
https://www.ford.co.uk/content/dam/guxeu/uk/docume...
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
Edited by S11Steve on Monday 23 July 12:21
Also doesn't a 9 seat van need a limiter anyway?
Speed limiters
A speed limiter must be fitted on:
vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats, eg buses, minibuses, coaches, stretch limousines
goods vehicles with a maximum laden weight of more than 3.5 tonnes
Speed limiters are designed to reduce accidents. They limit the maximum speed of a vehicle by restricting the fuel supply to the engine. Having a speed limiter may mean that your vehicle can’t reach the speed limit.
Speed limiters
A speed limiter must be fitted on:
vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats, eg buses, minibuses, coaches, stretch limousines
goods vehicles with a maximum laden weight of more than 3.5 tonnes
Speed limiters are designed to reduce accidents. They limit the maximum speed of a vehicle by restricting the fuel supply to the engine. Having a speed limiter may mean that your vehicle can’t reach the speed limit.
surveyor_101 said:
Also doesn't a 9 seat van need a limiter anyway?
Speed limiters
A speed limiter must be fitted on:
vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats, eg buses, minibuses, coaches, stretch limousines
Driver seat is separated from passengers for many specifications. We describe them at work as an 8+1. 11+1 or 14+1 for clarity.Speed limiters
A speed limiter must be fitted on:
vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats, eg buses, minibuses, coaches, stretch limousines
Vanordinaire said:
I'm not an expert, but as far as I know, 8 to 17 passengers (plus driver) makes it subject to minibus limits.
9 or more passengers makes it a bus - mini or otherwise.9 people including the driver is still classed as a "car".
It's about the only thing that is consistent in all of the various rules and regulations!
S11Steve said:
Driver seat is separated from passengers for many specifications. We describe them at work as an 8+1. 11+1 or 14+1 for clarity.
Says 8 passenger seats!I would of auto assumed its 50-60, 70 only on MWAYS until proved definitely otherwise. If your driving for work whats the rush?
A quick google would of have me believe its very unlikely to be the higher limits.
See what the V5 says about GVW but I expect its take fine scenario.
ghost83 said:
60mph limit and 50mph on single carriageways
I’m sure you’re only allowed to drive for so long before having a rest as well!
Guy who picked me up from Manchester airport had his timer counting down before he had to have a break and said it was the law
Generally all vehicles over 3.5t need to have a tachograph fitted - but there are some exceptions. - https://www.gov.uk/tachographsI’m sure you’re only allowed to drive for so long before having a rest as well!
Guy who picked me up from Manchester airport had his timer counting down before he had to have a break and said it was the law
Your driver from the airport will have been working under slightly different legislation that covers the carriage of passengers for hire or reward, but not necessarily in a 3.5t vehicle. https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hours/passenger-carryin...
S11Steve said:
I think the GVW on this is 3100kg, and the ULW is around 2200kg so over the 2000kg weight limit for a dual purpose or CDV rated vehicle, despite the M1 rating.
https://www.ford.co.uk/content/dam/guxeu/uk/docume...
That PDF gives GVW of 2,900kg and ULW between 2,163kg and 2,244kg depending on spec without driver, albeit with full tank. So that's a payload of as little as 656kg for nine people plus all their clobber, just under 72kg each.https://www.ford.co.uk/content/dam/guxeu/uk/docume...
That seems like a recipe for overloading... A bunch of big lads (100kg each) plus bags (10kg each) is going to be closing on half a ton over the limit.
TooMany2cvs said:
That PDF gives GVW of 2,900kg and ULW between 2,163kg and 2,244kg depending on spec without driver, albeit with full tank. So that's a payload of as little as 656kg for nine people plus all their clobber, just under 72kg each.
That seems like a recipe for overloading... A bunch of big lads (100kg each) plus bags (10kg each) is going to be closing on half a ton over the limit.
That's always been the case, and even more so when 17 seat, double rear wheel Transits with roofracks were readily available on retail rental fleets. ULW was around 2.3t, add 17 rugby players, plus kit, plus many slabs of beer for the journey....That seems like a recipe for overloading... A bunch of big lads (100kg each) plus bags (10kg each) is going to be closing on half a ton over the limit.
Strangely enough, it was cash for crash that restricted supply of them, rather than incidents of overloading. I recall dealing with 17 whiplash claims, when it transpired the rented vehicle than ran into the back of the rented minibus was on the way to the same wedding. The wedding was allegedly paid for by the proceeds of a number of previous unfortunate accidents that led to substantial insurance payouts.
StevenB said:
We have a Transit Tourneo here at work, 9 seats in total, so 8 passenger seats classed as M1 use Max weight 3000kgs registered as an MPV one of the drivers has received a FPN for 70 on a duel carridgeway for breaking the class of vehicle limit. we believe as it is a class M1 vehicle less than 3000kg and an MPV it so should be able to travel at 70 and not the lower van limit of 60. having trouble finding a definitive rule for this.
If it's a passenger vehicle (a vehicle constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects), has seats for up to 8 passengers (not including the driver) and has an unladen weight of less than 3.05 tonnes, then special (ie lower) speed limits do not apply.See Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Schedule 6.
This has happened a few times to us Hyundai i800 owners but is normally sorted out with a letter. I don’t know why this happens as I’ve been past many mobile speed cameras especially at the higher speeds with no issue but some do have the odd issue.
I’m pretty sure this has been discussed on one of the ford sites too. Try the transit owners club.
I’m pretty sure this has been discussed on one of the ford sites too. Try the transit owners club.
In its advertising Ford describes the Ford Tourneo Custom as a people mover - https://www.ford.co.uk/cars/people-carriers
Only the UK could come up with the pig's breakfast that are the current regulations. Vehicle design has moved on in the last 30 years.
Lots of vehicles are built on common platforms nowadays. Even across different manufacturers as they seek to cut costs.
Only the UK could come up with the pig's breakfast that are the current regulations. Vehicle design has moved on in the last 30 years.
Lots of vehicles are built on common platforms nowadays. Even across different manufacturers as they seek to cut costs.
SS2. said:
If it's a passenger vehicle (a vehicle constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects), has seats for up to no more than 8 passengers (not including the driver) and has an unladen weight of less than 3.05 tonnes, then special (ie lower) speed limits do not apply.
See Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Schedule 6.
FTFY.See Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Schedule 6.
speedking31 said:
SS2. said:
If it's a passenger vehicle (a vehicle constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects), has seats for up to no more than 8 passengers (not including the driver) and has an unladen weight of less than 3.05 tonnes, then special (ie lower) speed limits do not apply.
See Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Schedule 6.
FTFY.See Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Schedule 6.
surveyor_101 said:
Also doesn't a 9 seat van need a limiter anyway?
Speed limiters
A speed limiter must be fitted on:
vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats, eg buses, minibuses, coaches, stretch limousines
goods vehicles with a maximum laden weight of more than 3.5 tonnes
Speed limiters are designed to reduce accidents. They limit the maximum speed of a vehicle by restricting the fuel supply to the engine. Having a speed limiter may mean that your vehicle can’t reach the speed limit.
It isn't a 9-seat van. It's a large car/MPV with 8 passenger seats (and 1 driver's seat). It doesn't have more than 8, it has 8Speed limiters
A speed limiter must be fitted on:
vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats, eg buses, minibuses, coaches, stretch limousines
goods vehicles with a maximum laden weight of more than 3.5 tonnes
Speed limiters are designed to reduce accidents. They limit the maximum speed of a vehicle by restricting the fuel supply to the engine. Having a speed limiter may mean that your vehicle can’t reach the speed limit.
SS2. said:
If it's a passenger vehicle (a vehicle constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects), has seats for up to 8 passengers (not including the driver) and has an unladen weight of less than 3.05 tonnes, then special (ie lower) speed limits do not apply.
See Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Schedule 6.
That same schedule also states that Dual Purpose vehicles and Car Derived Vans must not exceed 2040kg GVW - the Torneo is well above that if it is to be classed as either DPV or CDV.See Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Schedule 6.
This is where things do get messy - (a vehicle constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects) - A Transit Tourneo was originally constructed as a goods vehicle, but converted to carry passengers.
There have been a number of cases around the definition of this in the past, notably with the Berlingo Multsspace and Caddy Life vans.
The Ford Fiesta van is classed as a Car Derived Van, but the Ford Courier is not, as it was constructed as a van from the outset - but as it is under 2040kg, the car speed limits do apply.
Despite the V5 classing them as either M1 or N1, we advise that the lower speed limits apply in all of our correspondence when it comes to anything other than a car..
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