140mph convoy on M74
Discussion
EU_Foreigner said:
vonhosen said:
What a load of tosh.
Look at the actual number of staff doing speed enforcement & you see it isn't absolutely everywhere. Very few staff, lots of offending.
There are far more staff dealing with serious crime, more staff for fewer offences than speeding.
Whilst speed enforcement is in the Police remit & with the public calls for them to target it, there will always be some staff doing it. It's just they've found a cost neutral way to do it without using many staff.
Of course if it was taken from Police & given to councils it could really explode (as evidenced by the other minor traffic matters that were passed to them).
Is it "the public" or is it just a couple of people? I come back to my point, if you were to ask "the public" if they had to make a choice, either traffic or crime, I don't think it will be traffic.Look at the actual number of staff doing speed enforcement & you see it isn't absolutely everywhere. Very few staff, lots of offending.
There are far more staff dealing with serious crime, more staff for fewer offences than speeding.
Whilst speed enforcement is in the Police remit & with the public calls for them to target it, there will always be some staff doing it. It's just they've found a cost neutral way to do it without using many staff.
Of course if it was taken from Police & given to councils it could really explode (as evidenced by the other minor traffic matters that were passed to them).
EU_Foreigner said:
Red 4 said:
EU_Foreigner said:
You talk about budget / cost etc for the traffic enforcement. From a PR point, that is disastrous as you will end up with potentially speed traps everywhere as it is cost neutral but nobody to respond to your burglary. As far as the public is concerned, they see Police presence everywhere but not where they want to see them.
You see a police presence everywhere ?Where do you live (or see this presence) ?
How many traffic cars/ bikes do you see ?
How many of those are doing speed enforcement ?
Another poster complained about seeing a motorway patrol on a bridge and assumed they were doing speed enforcement.
The patrol could have been there for any number of reasons.
People's perception is often inaccurate.
M23 - on bridge doing speed checks (assumed).
Does not matter if they do the actual checks, it is all about perception. The perception is that a lot of resources are about.
Point to note - I have no points and have never been stopped so have no axe to grind, this is just my opinion / perception what is happening around me based on my observations.
vonhosen said:
EU_Foreigner said:
vonhosen said:
What a load of tosh.
Look at the actual number of staff doing speed enforcement & you see it isn't absolutely everywhere. Very few staff, lots of offending.
There are far more staff dealing with serious crime, more staff for fewer offences than speeding.
Whilst speed enforcement is in the Police remit & with the public calls for them to target it, there will always be some staff doing it. It's just they've found a cost neutral way to do it without using many staff.
Of course if it was taken from Police & given to councils it could really explode (as evidenced by the other minor traffic matters that were passed to them).
Is it "the public" or is it just a couple of people? I come back to my point, if you were to ask "the public" if they had to make a choice, either traffic or crime, I don't think it will be traffic.Look at the actual number of staff doing speed enforcement & you see it isn't absolutely everywhere. Very few staff, lots of offending.
There are far more staff dealing with serious crime, more staff for fewer offences than speeding.
Whilst speed enforcement is in the Police remit & with the public calls for them to target it, there will always be some staff doing it. It's just they've found a cost neutral way to do it without using many staff.
Of course if it was taken from Police & given to councils it could really explode (as evidenced by the other minor traffic matters that were passed to them).
EU_Foreigner said:
vonhosen said:
EU_Foreigner said:
vonhosen said:
What a load of tosh.
Look at the actual number of staff doing speed enforcement & you see it isn't absolutely everywhere. Very few staff, lots of offending.
There are far more staff dealing with serious crime, more staff for fewer offences than speeding.
Whilst speed enforcement is in the Police remit & with the public calls for them to target it, there will always be some staff doing it. It's just they've found a cost neutral way to do it without using many staff.
Of course if it was taken from Police & given to councils it could really explode (as evidenced by the other minor traffic matters that were passed to them).
Is it "the public" or is it just a couple of people? I come back to my point, if you were to ask "the public" if they had to make a choice, either traffic or crime, I don't think it will be traffic.Look at the actual number of staff doing speed enforcement & you see it isn't absolutely everywhere. Very few staff, lots of offending.
There are far more staff dealing with serious crime, more staff for fewer offences than speeding.
Whilst speed enforcement is in the Police remit & with the public calls for them to target it, there will always be some staff doing it. It's just they've found a cost neutral way to do it without using many staff.
Of course if it was taken from Police & given to councils it could really explode (as evidenced by the other minor traffic matters that were passed to them).
Only they get more of the resources targeting serious crime & fewer resources allocated to traffic matters.
EU_Foreigner said:
A22 to Eastbourne yesterday, came across 3 traffic cars driving along and one parked up near the ice cream stand before Nutley, and that is the case most times I drive on that road.
M23 - on bridge doing speed checks (assumed).
Does not matter if they do the actual checks, it is all about perception. The perception is that a lot of resources are about.
I don't know much about Sussex Police, so Wikipedia has been my friend here.M23 - on bridge doing speed checks (assumed).
Does not matter if they do the actual checks, it is all about perception. The perception is that a lot of resources are about.
Sussex has a population of 1.6 million and has 2600 police officers (a reduction of 20% since 2010).
How many of those will be on duty and deployable at any one time ?
Realistically, how many police officers could be engaged on speed enforcement.
If they're moving and not parked up/ out of the vehicle with a laser they're probably not prioritising speeders.
The vehicle on the bridge could have been doing anything - if you didn't see him/ her actively blobbing speeders then your guess is as good as mine !
Edited by Red 4 on Tuesday 14th August 12:46
nonsequitur said:
Mr Tidy said:
They allegedly did it, nobody crashed, nobody died .
1) As stated in a previous post ' Nothing Happened ' is not an excuse when commiting an illegal or stupid act.2) The excuse that ' It was 3am and the roads were clear ' when 'done' for speeding is getting a little tiresome. Please change the record. (a little heavy metal would be nice).
As long as we have cars, we will always need to police the roads. So here we are in our police car, and we zap not one but four cars around 140 mph, we can say, well the roads are clear, probably nothing will happen so we will carry on drinking our coffee.
Unfortunately an incident occurres, and the road is blocked for hours, maybe one or two serious injuries, and someone noticed the police ignored it. What would happen then, Joe public up in arms, PH members as well for the police not trying to stop them.
Seeing a convoy of cars driving at excessive speeds on the motorways, could indicate a drugs run, burglery, no worries we will just ignore them.
A lot of members here seem to think the police are spending too much time and effort on this incident, do they really believe there is some of incident room set up with a dozen or two police officers trying to find them, I dont think so, all the hype seems to be generated here no where else.
If I choose to drive by your kids school at 60 mph, because I know they are not due out for another hour, that is all right, must be in some peoples eyes.
Anybody can drive fast, easy, push that pedel down. Even some PH members who think they have it cracked and nip over to the ring, and make mistakes.
As previously pointed out, if you own a top notch car, and want to floor it, go to a track.
Then again, as no one was killed or maimed, it must be OK.......................
Vipers said:
Red Devil said:
Vipers said:
Out of interest, just been to google maps and )checked a couple of roads joining motorways, some have NSL, others have 70. I'll just leave it there, not to distract from the thread, but most odd.
Might be able to shed some light if you can post the relevant Google Maps links. 
(55.9226171,-3.3098828)
The limit drops to 50 at Calder Junction.
https://goo.gl/maps/77q1Dtr38As
At your location above the road on the right leads back to the bypass.
Hence the 50 repeater on the lamp post.
https://goo.gl/maps/Buw1KPX52Zr
The M8 slip is NSL and thus needs a sign.
A 70 roundel has been used rather than the standard one.
The former are definitely a Scottish thing. I don't know the reason.
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Vipers said:
Joining the M90 from the Broxburn roundabout has no signs at all,
Broxburn is close to J1 of the M9. I'm guessing you mean Broxden Junction near Perth.If so, I know it well as the nearby Travelodge is my overnight stop on my annual visit to the Highlands.
J12 - https://goo.gl/maps/3BtYD7V4Xnz
The NSL signs are on the A93. Both of the other approach roads are the A9..
Those are d/c and NSL. Hence no need for any further signs (see below)...
Other junctions on the M90 with NSL signs
J3 - https://goo.gl/maps/6JhQPnyPjsA2
J4 - https://goo.gl/maps/7XuCguLhueE2
J9 - https://goo.gl/maps/51LpiDGLwNT2
3 & 9 make sense as the roads leading to/from them are not NSL.
4 doesn't as the B914 at that point is NSL.
These 3 have none because, like 4 above, the other road is also NSL
J5 - https://goo.gl/maps/p2zySWL8x1M2
J6 - https://goo.gl/maps/KCKJa4zFxDK2
J7 - https://goo.gl/maps/smg3Z3feCPS2
Vipers said:
another slip road to the M6 shows the NSL,
Without knowing which slip road you're talking about it's difficult to comment.However no part of the M6 is in Scotland: the A74(M) begins south of the border at J45.
https://goo.gl/maps/DiSjra9GQXS2
The border is here.
https://goo.gl/maps/Ra9X9jab2qC2
I have never seen a 70 roundel on a motorway or its slip roads in England.
Vipers said:
rejoining the M74 from the service station near Glasgow definitely has 70, noticed it last week.
Hamilton Services?https://goo.gl/maps/2CHUSb1nPom
A couple of others.
J8 - https://goo.gl/maps/qRqqQhJ9u432
J10 - https://goo.gl/maps/wTGWMrAFban
Vipers said:
Seems inconsistent, and can't find any definite answer to whether it should be 70 or NSL
Indeed. Why one motorway has 70 signs and another NSL is weird and I can't find anything atm either.The only things I can think of are some sort of legislative quirk or somebody has dropped a clanger.
Vipers said:
Maybe Von knows.
Or tvrgit. He seems to be pretty clued up on such matters.yonex said:
vonhosen said:
You keep talking about negative PR & perception, yet the satisfaction & confidence surveys don't back up your position.
I would challenge that. Around my peers there is a general feeling that the police are really interested in what is viewed as ‘crime’. yonex said:
vonhosen said:
A few public folk's apathy towards what though?
Goodness me, the police FFS! I’d say it’s more than a ‘few’ who think the balance is wrong. Seems a bit arrogant to not be that bothered?So no I don't spend my time wondering about a few people's apathy towards the Police.
yonex said:
Goodness me, the police FFS! I’d say it’s more than a ‘few’ who think the balance is wrong. Seems a bit arrogant to not be that bothered?
But what if more than few think it's right and more than a few think not enough is done about speeding? If the reality is there for all to see except those who do not want to then what can the police do to change the perception? Looking at numbers for example West Mids and Staffs have a joint central roads policing unit that has 178 staff. That represents .75% of the overall staff numbers. I don't think that leaves much more room to redress the balance. If they stopped altogether it would not make much difference and who would do all the must do stuff?
red devil said:
Vipers said:
Joining the M90 from the Broxburn roundabout has no signs at all,
Broxburn is close to J1 of the M9. I'm guessing you mean Broxden Junction near Perth.If so, I know it well as the nearby Travelodge is my overnight stop on my annual visit to the Highlands.
J12 - https://goo.gl/maps/3BtYD7V4Xnz
Then again at 140 mph, easy to miss
Edited by Vipers on Tuesday 14th August 17:14
Edited by Vipers on Tuesday 14th August 17:17
Graveworm said:
But what if more than few think it's right and more than a few think not enough is done about speeding? If the reality is there for all to see except those who do not want to then what can the police do to change the perception?
Looking at numbers for example West Mids and Staffs have a joint central roads policing unit that has 178 staff. That represents .75% of the overall staff numbers. I don't think that leaves much more room to redress the balance. If they stopped altogether it would not make much difference and who would do all the must do stuff?
Start a poll? I’m sure most feel that the war on speeding in general is purely a revenue stream. My experiences when having to approach the police for theft etc has been pretty poorLooking at numbers for example West Mids and Staffs have a joint central roads policing unit that has 178 staff. That represents .75% of the overall staff numbers. I don't think that leaves much more room to redress the balance. If they stopped altogether it would not make much difference and who would do all the must do stuff?
yonex said:
Start a poll? I’m sure most feel that the war on speeding in general is purely a revenue stream. My experiences when having to approach the police for theft etc has been pretty poor
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