140mph convoy on M74
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Vipers said:
red devil said:
Vipers said:
Joining the M90 from the Broxburn roundabout has no signs at all,
Broxburn is close to J1 of the M9. I'm guessing you mean Broxden Junction near Perth.If so, I know it well as the nearby Travelodge is my overnight stop on my annual visit to the Highlands.
J12 - https://goo.gl/maps/3BtYD7V4Xnz
Then again at 140 mph, easy to miss
If you are on the A9 it's NSL, and the M90 is motorway, with no restriction, so no need for a sign as no limit change.
yonex said:
Start a poll? I’m sure most feel that the war on speeding in general is purely a revenue stream. My experiences when having to approach the police for theft etc has been pretty poor
They have a poll every time we elect a PCC/Mayor. They set the priorities and the budgets. Stand win and traffic will be no more. It's not a revenue stream really it about covers it's costs so if they stop doing it they are no worse off. If it were a revenue stream then I am pretty sure they would do a lot more (c.f. local authority bus lanes and parking). Bear in mind there are other law enforcement agencies that also deal with real crime (Most very well resourced) so it's an even smaller part of the overall criminal justice pot.
I do think it's a flawed system because other activity (Traffic and even some crime) could also be cost neutral, both for the force and HMG which would be much better viewed and possibly more effective. It is a danger though as if it does generate income, in dwindling budgets it will become over emphasised and it is a Sunday paper exclusive time bomb waiting to happen.
Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 14th August 19:33
Vipers said:
Correct. Broxdon, and yes it has a limit as you have shown, but I have never approached from that side, only approach heading north on the A9 and having googled I am sure in fact there isn't a limit shown.
Up to a point. - See below.NSL d/c northbound - https://goo.gl/maps/1DQ3sgGjAK92 - no signs.
Ditto southbound - https://goo.gl/maps/sXU2pobpwJN2 - no signs.
Couple that with the NSL signs on the A93 and the entire r/abt is NSL.
Hence no need for any signs here - https://goo.gl/maps/q5wGCWWTEKC2
However, heading northbound there is a NSL sign on the r/abt exit here,
https://goo.gl/maps/UgKY9A1e4Wk
I suspect that it may have something to do with the presence of street lights
It's also built on a slope and has a slight adverse camber.
You don't really notice it in a car, but it's notorious for LGVs falling over.
That's why it has these ruddy great signs!
https://goo.gl/maps/Jdd5srq13zu
https://goo.gl/maps/2pockCfYDCH2.
I stopped reading at page 20 so I’m not sure what the latest is however I have an idea of what happened.
Earlier on I was driving down this main road in, roads empty, 30 mph limit, I was doing about 55, slowed down to turn left into a road, as I slowed right down a police van pulls up, turning onto the main road, the officer saw I came at speed and just made a slow down gesture.
If I was going straight, and maintained that speed, he definitely would have turned into my direction and followed me at speed, by that point, I would have noticed. Naturally I’d slow down and receive whatever I get, either a b
king or a fine, but if I was a different type of person, I could carry on and boot it even more, easily could lose the van. Only thing he’d remember is the make and model of the car i was in, colour as well.
In conclusion, I think this is what happened, albeit in a different set of circumstances.
Earlier on I was driving down this main road in, roads empty, 30 mph limit, I was doing about 55, slowed down to turn left into a road, as I slowed right down a police van pulls up, turning onto the main road, the officer saw I came at speed and just made a slow down gesture.
If I was going straight, and maintained that speed, he definitely would have turned into my direction and followed me at speed, by that point, I would have noticed. Naturally I’d slow down and receive whatever I get, either a b
king or a fine, but if I was a different type of person, I could carry on and boot it even more, easily could lose the van. Only thing he’d remember is the make and model of the car i was in, colour as well.In conclusion, I think this is what happened, albeit in a different set of circumstances.
vonhosen said:
TobyTR said:
Graveworm said:
TobyTR said:
Nail on the head. It seems the majority have been through this, myself included.
I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
They would have the ability to easily report and initially investigate a burglary I am sure. But they can't routinely attend burglaries etc because that takes them off the road for too long. If there is a serious RTA or something that needs their skills then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a burglary. I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
By the way how did they pull you over if the dual carriageway was empty
? you could spin that perspective and say "if there was a serious home invasion with life-threatening injuries, then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a speeding driver doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway at 2am" - see what I did there? The unmarked police car followed me the entire length of the dual-carriageway and signalled me to stop at the end.
Or no unit attended his burglary immediately?
They weren't allocated to you speeding, you just decided to offend in front of them when they were patrolling.
If the burglar had done that they'd have dealt with him.
But they were allocated to me speeding - Police Constables don't have the power to issue speeding fines, traffic officers at 2am do.
So do you work for the Police? Because you take a defensive stance with every post and haven't posted anything objective so far
Bit of light humour.
Elderly gent buys an Orange Nissan GTR, thought he would try it out on the M74, clear road for miles.
As he passes 90, he notices blues and twos coming up,behind him, sod this, he thought, put his foot down, up to 120, lost the police car.
But no, again in his rear mirror he can see the twos and bluse closing, bugger, put the pedal to the metal, now pushing 140, and again the blues and twos closed on him.
He thought "I am too old for this, I'll pull over".
Policeman pulled up, came up to his window and said, "Sir I have had a long day and due to book off in 10 minutes, if I book you it will take an hour to do paperwork, so if you have a good excuse why I shouldn't book you, I'll let you go".
Man said "Well thirty years ago my wife ran off with a policeman, and I thought you were bringing her back".
"On your way sir".
Elderly gent buys an Orange Nissan GTR, thought he would try it out on the M74, clear road for miles.
As he passes 90, he notices blues and twos coming up,behind him, sod this, he thought, put his foot down, up to 120, lost the police car.
But no, again in his rear mirror he can see the twos and bluse closing, bugger, put the pedal to the metal, now pushing 140, and again the blues and twos closed on him.
He thought "I am too old for this, I'll pull over".
Policeman pulled up, came up to his window and said, "Sir I have had a long day and due to book off in 10 minutes, if I book you it will take an hour to do paperwork, so if you have a good excuse why I shouldn't book you, I'll let you go".
Man said "Well thirty years ago my wife ran off with a policeman, and I thought you were bringing her back".
"On your way sir".
Edited by Vipers on Wednesday 15th August 06:09
Thank you for your contribution
sue57 said:
If the anti social morons that did this feel so invincible, one day they will find they are not, I have seen it first hand, maybe a blow out, maybe a deer runs out onto carriageway, but they end up in a tangled mess crying for their Mums and begging for Police and Paramedics to arrive and save their sorry arses.
sue57 said:
If you can afford that sort of car you can afford a decent track day on circuit. We have done most in UK, F1 circuit at Spa, Imola, Zandvort, Mugello, Monza, the Ring on closed days etc...we have several cars, the fav being a Noble M400 ......you need to be a "driver" for that, there is no gadgetry, no electronics to help you.....
sue57 said:
any one can use their right foot down and point in a straight line! They must be so proud that they can hold a steering wheel and move their right ankle in a downward movement!
Edited by Crackie on Saturday 18th August 11:15
Vipers said:
Bit of light humour.
Elderly gent buys an Orange Nissan GTR, thought he would try it out on the M74, clear road for miles.
As he passes 90, he notices blues and twos coming up,behind him, sod this, he thought, put his foot down, up to 120, lost the police car.
But no, again in his rear mirror he can see the twos and bluse closing, bugger, put the pedal to the metal, now pushing 140, and again the blues and twos closed on him.
He thought "I am too old for this, I'll pull over".
Policeman pulled up, came up to his window and said, "Sir I have had a long day and due to book off in 10 minutes, if I book you it will take an hour to do paperwork, so if you have a good excuse why I shouldn't book you, I'll let you go".
Man said "Well thirty years ago my wife ran off with a policeman, and I thought you were bringing her back".
"On your way sir".
That one was old when Jehu was caught speeding in his chariot. Elderly gent buys an Orange Nissan GTR, thought he would try it out on the M74, clear road for miles.
As he passes 90, he notices blues and twos coming up,behind him, sod this, he thought, put his foot down, up to 120, lost the police car.
But no, again in his rear mirror he can see the twos and bluse closing, bugger, put the pedal to the metal, now pushing 140, and again the blues and twos closed on him.
He thought "I am too old for this, I'll pull over".
Policeman pulled up, came up to his window and said, "Sir I have had a long day and due to book off in 10 minutes, if I book you it will take an hour to do paperwork, so if you have a good excuse why I shouldn't book you, I'll let you go".
Man said "Well thirty years ago my wife ran off with a policeman, and I thought you were bringing her back".
"On your way sir".
Graveworm said:
TobyTR said:
The unmarked police car followed me the entire length of the dual-carriageway and signalled me to stop at the end.
So not empty. Also very very unlikely to be an unmarked police traffic car at 2am.And an unmarked police car is "unlikely to be an unmarked police car" in your words? What point are you trying to make?
An unmarked car is an unmarked car. It either is or isn't. In this case it most certainly was.
TobyTR said:
Graveworm said:
TobyTR said:
The unmarked police car followed me the entire length of the dual-carriageway and signalled me to stop at the end.
So not empty. Also very very unlikely to be an unmarked police traffic car at 2am.And an unmarked police car is "unlikely to be an unmarked police car" in your words? What point are you trying to make?
An unmarked car is an unmarked car. It either is or isn't. In this case it most certainly was.
Graveworm said:
TobyTR said:
The unmarked police car followed me the entire length of the dual-carriageway and signalled me to stop at the end.
So not empty. Also very very unlikely to be an unmarked police traffic car at 2am.Joking aside I'm not sure why you think it's so unlikely to have been an unmarked car at that time on a morning; aren't they manned by the same officers who drive marked traffic cars and with a shift system doesn't that mean there's the potential for them to operate 24/7?
JNW1 said:
Joking aside I'm not sure why you think it's so unlikely to have been an unmarked car at that time on a morning; aren't they manned by the same officers who drive marked traffic cars and with a shift system doesn't that mean there's the potential for them to operate 24/7?
There are fewer "traffic" cars about at night - but there are some.No point having your (scarce) resources working nights when there isn't much traffic and meaning there are less patrols available at core times.
It may have been a "crime car". Same type of vehicle as an unmarked traffic car, slightly different role.
Each force will have have different force specific departments that will resemble " traffic".
Eg; Motorway aren't traffic because they are motorway (But really they are traffic - they just don't like to come off the motorway !)
It can get confusing ( and a little bit "not in my remit, mate" and, arguably, a bit elitist ).
Then again, you wouldn't send a solo motorcyclist to a sudden death, for example, of ask CID or plain clothes in an unmarked car to stop a suspect vehicle, etc etc
Not that it really matters what you get stopped by.
If they're in uniform they can stop you.
Red Devil said:
Vipers said:
Bit of light humour.
Elderly gent buys an Orange Nissan GTR, thought he would try it out on the M74, clear road for miles.
As he passes 90, he notices blues and twos coming up,behind him, sod this, he thought, put his foot down, up to 120, lost the police car.
But no, again in his rear mirror he can see the twos and bluse closing, bugger, put the pedal to the metal, now pushing 140, and again the blues and twos closed on him.
He thought "I am too old for this, I'll pull over".
Policeman pulled up, came up to his window and said, "Sir I have had a long day and due to book off in 10 minutes, if I book you it will take an hour to do paperwork, so if you have a good excuse why I shouldn't book you, I'll let you go".
Man said "Well thirty years ago my wife ran off with a policeman, and I thought you were bringing her back".
"On your way sir".
That one was old when Jehu was caught speeding in his chariot. Elderly gent buys an Orange Nissan GTR, thought he would try it out on the M74, clear road for miles.
As he passes 90, he notices blues and twos coming up,behind him, sod this, he thought, put his foot down, up to 120, lost the police car.
But no, again in his rear mirror he can see the twos and bluse closing, bugger, put the pedal to the metal, now pushing 140, and again the blues and twos closed on him.
He thought "I am too old for this, I'll pull over".
Policeman pulled up, came up to his window and said, "Sir I have had a long day and due to book off in 10 minutes, if I book you it will take an hour to do paperwork, so if you have a good excuse why I shouldn't book you, I'll let you go".
Man said "Well thirty years ago my wife ran off with a policeman, and I thought you were bringing her back".
"On your way sir".
Jimmy No Hands said:
Very late to the party here but the orange GTR nearly hit me; just clicked when I saw this topic. Saw several C63's and M2's/3's/4's also slightly ahead of the GTR + others. Never seen driving like it on public roads. Undertaking, weaving, all at 100+ easily.
I was pulling into L1 from the middle and the GTR undercut everyone and had to move over to the hard shoulder, was way too fast for me to see.
Absolute bell ends!
Sounds like he was losing then? Can't blame him for getting creative to catch up with the race leaders! I was pulling into L1 from the middle and the GTR undercut everyone and had to move over to the hard shoulder, was way too fast for me to see.
Absolute bell ends!
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