Discussion
Some time ago I asked forum readers if they would be prepared to participate in the disgusting police tactics of Kettling, spying on environmental protestors and spying on the grieving family of a murdered teenager. No police officer or ex police officer who read that post was prepared to stand up and answer.
In the case of spying on environmental protestors, senior police officers sanctioned an undercover operation, using the identities of children who died in infancy, to insert a married police officer into the protest group.
One of these spies formed a close relationship with at least one of the women and fathered a child with her. Later, when the morons who sanctioned the spying operation pulled the spy out (I will not call him a man) leaving the woman with no explanation why he had suddenly disappeared from her life and the life of his child and no emotional or financial support.
Much later, when the women found out about the police operation against them they complained to the MET and National Police Chiefs Council. They received the standard dismissive “will not confirm or deny” reply.
The lack of moral compass shown by the police is astounding.
Despite police efforts to obstruct the women’s search for the truth subsequent legal action dragged it out of the police who admitted to spying on the women but categorically denied sanctioning the adulterous relationship the spy had with at least one of the women.
The police LIED.
Senior police officers did know about the sexual relationships and probably knew about the offspring too. They did sanction them. They treated the women with extreme distain, spying on them, taking advantage of them then abandoning them. The distain and lies continued for years.
Let us not forget the insensitivity of using the identities of dead infants and the pain that would cause their families.
Did the environmental protests these women were alleged to be planning justify the time, expense and degrading actions the police engaged in? The vindictive prosecution later collapsed with more tax payers money wasted.
Will the police institution of legal immunity shroud police misbehaviour in this instance?
Will those senior police officers who sanctioned an adulterous relationship, the betrayal of a wife, the desertion of a woman and child and lying to the victims of police harassment be brought to justice?
Will the liars who perpetrated and engaged in these immoral activities be sacked?
I doubt it
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45596432
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=94...
In the case of spying on environmental protestors, senior police officers sanctioned an undercover operation, using the identities of children who died in infancy, to insert a married police officer into the protest group.
One of these spies formed a close relationship with at least one of the women and fathered a child with her. Later, when the morons who sanctioned the spying operation pulled the spy out (I will not call him a man) leaving the woman with no explanation why he had suddenly disappeared from her life and the life of his child and no emotional or financial support.
Much later, when the women found out about the police operation against them they complained to the MET and National Police Chiefs Council. They received the standard dismissive “will not confirm or deny” reply.
The lack of moral compass shown by the police is astounding.
Despite police efforts to obstruct the women’s search for the truth subsequent legal action dragged it out of the police who admitted to spying on the women but categorically denied sanctioning the adulterous relationship the spy had with at least one of the women.
The police LIED.
Senior police officers did know about the sexual relationships and probably knew about the offspring too. They did sanction them. They treated the women with extreme distain, spying on them, taking advantage of them then abandoning them. The distain and lies continued for years.
Let us not forget the insensitivity of using the identities of dead infants and the pain that would cause their families.
Did the environmental protests these women were alleged to be planning justify the time, expense and degrading actions the police engaged in? The vindictive prosecution later collapsed with more tax payers money wasted.
Will the police institution of legal immunity shroud police misbehaviour in this instance?
Will those senior police officers who sanctioned an adulterous relationship, the betrayal of a wife, the desertion of a woman and child and lying to the victims of police harassment be brought to justice?
Will the liars who perpetrated and engaged in these immoral activities be sacked?
I doubt it
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45596432
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=94...
Given the time since the relationships occurred, I would guess some/most/all of the senior Officers aware of the behaviour will have retired (?)
That would not be a bar to them being held to account if any of their behaviour was criminal, and certainly not bar the culpability of the organisation/govt.
I'm not sure I'd include "kettling" in the same issue - they are two very different concerns.
I do recognise the value and need for undercover Police operations in a free society (eg Drugs, Slavery, Money Laundering operations) and where there are issues around public disorder. The behaviour of those involved in this Operation is being scrutinised now and they are being held to account - this chapter is still playing out and by no means over yet.
That would not be a bar to them being held to account if any of their behaviour was criminal, and certainly not bar the culpability of the organisation/govt.
I'm not sure I'd include "kettling" in the same issue - they are two very different concerns.
I do recognise the value and need for undercover Police operations in a free society (eg Drugs, Slavery, Money Laundering operations) and where there are issues around public disorder. The behaviour of those involved in this Operation is being scrutinised now and they are being held to account - this chapter is still playing out and by no means over yet.
davidball said:
No police officer or ex police officer who read that post was prepared to stand up and answer.
I'm not a police officer, but I could imagine that making comments as to police conduct et al on a forum to a foamer is somethiing that they wouldn't want to waste their time on, and would most likely land them in the s
t should anything come of it.As others ahve said, try an MP or something, not a motoring forum..
Simple, show your frustration by not calling them when / if you ever need them, actually take the same stance with all emergency services, do us all a favour.
The police may or may not have stepped out of line here, OK, but I'm glad they are willing to push the boundaries, who knows what will be next (?) and their interpretation of the rules may allow them to stop another Westminster attack.
How does it impact your life in anyway? is the women your wife or something?
The police may or may not have stepped out of line here, OK, but I'm glad they are willing to push the boundaries, who knows what will be next (?) and their interpretation of the rules may allow them to stop another Westminster attack.
How does it impact your life in anyway? is the women your wife or something?
davidball said:
Some time ago I asked forum readers if they would be prepared to participate in the disgusting police tactics of Kettling, spying on environmental protestors and spying on the grieving family of a murdered teenager. No police officer or ex police officer who read that post was prepared to stand up and answer.
In the case of spying on environmental protestors, senior police officers sanctioned an undercover operation, using the identities of children who died in infancy, to insert a married police officer into the protest group.
One of these spies formed a close relationship with at least one of the women and fathered a child with her. Later, when the morons who sanctioned the spying operation pulled the spy out (I will not call him a man) leaving the woman with no explanation why he had suddenly disappeared from her life and the life of his child and no emotional or financial support.
Much later, when the women found out about the police operation against them they complained to the MET and National Police Chiefs Council. They received the standard dismissive “will not confirm or deny” reply.
The lack of moral compass shown by the police is astounding.
Despite police efforts to obstruct the women’s search for the truth subsequent legal action dragged it out of the police who admitted to spying on the women but categorically denied sanctioning the adulterous relationship the spy had with at least one of the women.
The police LIED.
Senior police officers did know about the sexual relationships and probably knew about the offspring too. They did sanction them. They treated the women with extreme distain, spying on them, taking advantage of them then abandoning them. The distain and lies continued for years.
Let us not forget the insensitivity of using the identities of dead infants and the pain that would cause their families.
Did the environmental protests these women were alleged to be planning justify the time, expense and degrading actions the police engaged in? The vindictive prosecution later collapsed with more tax payers money wasted.
Will the police institution of legal immunity shroud police misbehaviour in this instance?
Will those senior police officers who sanctioned an adulterous relationship, the betrayal of a wife, the desertion of a woman and child and lying to the victims of police harassment be brought to justice?
Will the liars who perpetrated and engaged in these immoral activities be sacked?
I doubt it
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45596432
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=94...
You think that's bad, you should hear what some of the secret service operatives get up to!In the case of spying on environmental protestors, senior police officers sanctioned an undercover operation, using the identities of children who died in infancy, to insert a married police officer into the protest group.
One of these spies formed a close relationship with at least one of the women and fathered a child with her. Later, when the morons who sanctioned the spying operation pulled the spy out (I will not call him a man) leaving the woman with no explanation why he had suddenly disappeared from her life and the life of his child and no emotional or financial support.
Much later, when the women found out about the police operation against them they complained to the MET and National Police Chiefs Council. They received the standard dismissive “will not confirm or deny” reply.
The lack of moral compass shown by the police is astounding.
Despite police efforts to obstruct the women’s search for the truth subsequent legal action dragged it out of the police who admitted to spying on the women but categorically denied sanctioning the adulterous relationship the spy had with at least one of the women.
The police LIED.
Senior police officers did know about the sexual relationships and probably knew about the offspring too. They did sanction them. They treated the women with extreme distain, spying on them, taking advantage of them then abandoning them. The distain and lies continued for years.
Let us not forget the insensitivity of using the identities of dead infants and the pain that would cause their families.
Did the environmental protests these women were alleged to be planning justify the time, expense and degrading actions the police engaged in? The vindictive prosecution later collapsed with more tax payers money wasted.
Will the police institution of legal immunity shroud police misbehaviour in this instance?
Will those senior police officers who sanctioned an adulterous relationship, the betrayal of a wife, the desertion of a woman and child and lying to the victims of police harassment be brought to justice?
Will the liars who perpetrated and engaged in these immoral activities be sacked?
I doubt it
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45596432
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=94...
lornemalvo said:
What immunity do the police have? not sure they have any?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37308084https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charle...
Edited by davidball on Friday 21st September 11:10
Lord.Vader said:
Simple, show your frustration by not calling them when / if you ever need them, actually take the same stance with all emergency services, do us all a favour.
The police may or may not have stepped out of line here, OK, but I'm glad they are willing to push the boundaries, who knows what will be next (?) and their interpretation of the rules may allow them to stop another Westminster attack.
How does it impact your life in anyway? is the women your wife or something?
I note you do not put your name to your posts. Why hide? It diminishes the value of your opinions.The police may or may not have stepped out of line here, OK, but I'm glad they are willing to push the boundaries, who knows what will be next (?) and their interpretation of the rules may allow them to stop another Westminster attack.
How does it impact your life in anyway? is the women your wife or something?
davidball said:
What does that prove? There was no immunity just insufficient evidence to prosecute an individual in the eyes of the CPSlornemalvo said:
What immunity do the police have? not sure they have any?
Just one instance.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charle...
davidball said:
Just one instance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charle...
it was pointless the first time you quoted it man. Give uphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charle...
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