Discussion
davidball said:
Many apologists for police misbehaviour think I have gone away. There is too much material to highlight for that to happen.
Till the next time something offends my sense of fair play.
I'll repeat in case you missed my original post:Till the next time something offends my sense of fair play.
Vaud said:
If you are bored/frustrated/angry and are retired with time on your hands, why not start a campaign and channel that energy into change. Create a blog, connect with others and form a pressure group. With good social media use, etc you could influence.
Sharing your opinion here is just a waste - what do you hope to achieve?
You are clearly articulate, can research, etc...
Sharing your opinion here is just a waste - what do you hope to achieve?
You are clearly articulate, can research, etc...
That’s good to hear, David.
I was a little down reading that the chap who plays Captain America is stepping down.
Fortunately we have you to fill that void. Bravely fighting corruption and injustice from the front line of your keyboard.
Your topics on a motoring forum, combined with your profound understanding of the subject matter and willingness to answer questions like the above, make a big difference.
No all heroes wear capes.
I was a little down reading that the chap who plays Captain America is stepping down.
Fortunately we have you to fill that void. Bravely fighting corruption and injustice from the front line of your keyboard.
Your topics on a motoring forum, combined with your profound understanding of the subject matter and willingness to answer questions like the above, make a big difference.
No all heroes wear capes.
TooMany2cvs said:
davidball said:
Many apologists for police misbehaviour think I have gone away. There is too much material to highlight for that to happen.
Till the next time something offends my sense of fair play.
Oh, they've released you?Till the next time something offends my sense of fair play.
I don't agree with Vaud when he suggests David is articulate and can research.
He comes across as pretty thick to me.
No one's going to care if he does something 'more constructive', as he doesn't even understand basic simple things about the subject matter he talks of, demonstrates a lack of basic critical thinking skills, and worms away whenever anyone questions him.
Not the sort of attributes that hold much weight in the real, grown-up world.
He comes across as pretty thick to me.
No one's going to care if he does something 'more constructive', as he doesn't even understand basic simple things about the subject matter he talks of, demonstrates a lack of basic critical thinking skills, and worms away whenever anyone questions him.
Not the sort of attributes that hold much weight in the real, grown-up world.
La Liga said:
I don't agree with Vaud when he suggests David is articulate and can research.
He comes across as pretty thick to me.
No one's going to care if he does something 'more constructive', as he doesn't even understand basic simple things about the subject matter he talks of, demonstrates a lack of basic critical thinking skills, and worms away whenever anyone questions him.
Not the sort of attributes that hold much weight in the real, grown-up world.
I was being generous and constructive.He comes across as pretty thick to me.
No one's going to care if he does something 'more constructive', as he doesn't even understand basic simple things about the subject matter he talks of, demonstrates a lack of basic critical thinking skills, and worms away whenever anyone questions him.
Not the sort of attributes that hold much weight in the real, grown-up world.
Vaud said:
La Liga said:
I don't agree with Vaud when he suggests David is articulate and can research.
He comes across as pretty thick to me.
No one's going to care if he does something 'more constructive', as he doesn't even understand basic simple things about the subject matter he talks of, demonstrates a lack of basic critical thinking skills, and worms away whenever anyone questions him.
Not the sort of attributes that hold much weight in the real, grown-up world.
I was being generous and constructive.He comes across as pretty thick to me.
No one's going to care if he does something 'more constructive', as he doesn't even understand basic simple things about the subject matter he talks of, demonstrates a lack of basic critical thinking skills, and worms away whenever anyone questions him.
Not the sort of attributes that hold much weight in the real, grown-up world.
Just say what you mean man and stop pussyfooting about !
I have no issue with people not liking the police or highlighting police failings, but that's a world away from closed-minded idiots who have no idea what they're talking about and repeat the same incorrect assertions time and time again.
Generous is an understatement.
I think it was a cunning tactic on your part to get him to go elsewhere, a bit like the PE teacher who encourages the fat kids to believe they can be good at sport if they participate.
Vaud said:
La Liga said:
I don't agree with Vaud when he suggests David is articulate and can research.
He comes across as pretty thick to me.
No one's going to care if he does something 'more constructive', as he doesn't even understand basic simple things about the subject matter he talks of, demonstrates a lack of basic critical thinking skills, and worms away whenever anyone questions him.
Not the sort of attributes that hold much weight in the real, grown-up world.
I was being generous and constructive.He comes across as pretty thick to me.
No one's going to care if he does something 'more constructive', as he doesn't even understand basic simple things about the subject matter he talks of, demonstrates a lack of basic critical thinking skills, and worms away whenever anyone questions him.
Not the sort of attributes that hold much weight in the real, grown-up world.
I think it was a cunning tactic on your part to get him to go elsewhere, a bit like the PE teacher who encourages the fat kids to believe they can be good at sport if they participate.
La Liga said:
I don't agree with Vaud when he suggests David is articulate and can research.
He comes across as pretty thick to me.
No one's going to care if he does something 'more constructive', as he doesn't even understand basic simple things about the subject matter he talks of, demonstrates a lack of basic critical thinking skills, and worms away whenever anyone questions him.
Not the sort of attributes that hold much weight in the real, grown-up world.
The world is full of nuggets, they seek to distress, but lack the real ability to do so. The more everyone responds, the more ( they think) they succeed. He comes across as pretty thick to me.
No one's going to care if he does something 'more constructive', as he doesn't even understand basic simple things about the subject matter he talks of, demonstrates a lack of basic critical thinking skills, and worms away whenever anyone questions him.
Not the sort of attributes that hold much weight in the real, grown-up world.
The op has many K to his nuggetism. Lets shut him down and give him some Coventry ?
La Liga said:
Generous is an understatement.
I think it was a cunning tactic on your part to get him to go elsewhere, a bit like the PE teacher who encourages the fat kids to believe they can be good at sport if they participate.
You are welcome to your interpretation.I think it was a cunning tactic on your part to get him to go elsewhere, a bit like the PE teacher who encourages the fat kids to believe they can be good at sport if they participate.
However, as I observe from my parents and parents-in-law there is a lot of "angry energy" from intelligent people that is utterly wasted.
They sit about complaining about housing, police, young people, the state of society, etc. But then they don't share their lifetime of experiences through mentoring (princes Trust, etc), parish council, etc where they can make a local change. Or a national campaign where they have the time, connectivity (power of the silver surfer) and engagement skills.
They just sit around being angry.
davidball said:
I am surprised that you find my original post about the lies police have told about undercover policing to be provoking. You must have led a sheltered life so far.
Late to this, sorry, but you do seem to have trouble understanding what it means to be undercover. If they turned up in uniform waving a warrant card around they’d not be able to stop you and your mates breaking the law.It’s pretty much the whole point of being undercover, pretending to be what they are not.
davidball said:
Many apologists for police misbehaviour think I have gone away. There is too much material to highlight for that to happen.
Till the next time something offends my sense of fair play.
That is not coherent English, let alone a coherent argument.Till the next time something offends my sense of fair play.
May I ask, have you a personal stake in this? You seem unusually invested in it for someone who lives in Belgium.
Was the former Chief Officer of Police Scotland who'll inspect twelve police forces in the North of England for Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary involved in authorising undercover operations that involved having sexual relationships with 'targets' to gather intelligence while he was with the Metropolitan police?
I am surprised that could happen after the outcry over the Spy Cop brother of a Radio 4 presenter and former Communards member got a job as a Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/15/ca...
You never can say goodbye to officers of the calibre of Gormley?
I am surprised that could happen after the outcry over the Spy Cop brother of a Radio 4 presenter and former Communards member got a job as a Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/15/ca...
You never can say goodbye to officers of the calibre of Gormley?
davidball said:
I have skimmed through all the childish name calling on the usual posts. There is no change in the low level sad to say.
I am sure there will be more for me to comment on later. Those who enjoy immunity from the consequences of their actions are apt to do stuff that hits the news.
Respond with fact to put them in their places then..I am sure there will be more for me to comment on later. Those who enjoy immunity from the consequences of their actions are apt to do stuff that hits the news.
Oh wait.......
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Wednesday 17th October 20:54
It's official, from the 'mouth' of a police officer they DO lie
Taken from here
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Taken from here
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
RBS Bob said:
337 posts
78 months
[report][news]Monday 4th Junequotequote all
Not my words. I have lied too.
flushlush
Dear Lush,
I have seen your front window display and the accusation that as a police officer I am “Paid to Lie”. I have given this considerable thought over the last 24 hours. I have looked over my 16-year career, from Constable to Inspector, and I must say that I agree with you wholly and passionately, because I am indeed “Paid to Lie”.
I Lied. I spent 8 hours of a 10-hour shift cradling a young baby in my arms. Her Mother was in Police Custody for stabbing her Father. Social Services were too stretched to attend. I used my own money to buy her milk and nappies. A member of the public remonstrated with me when they saw me buying these supplies, said I was “Wasting Tax Payer’s money doing my shopping when I should have been serving the public”. I rocked that baby to sleep, her tear stained cheek on mine. I whispered to her, I promised her she would be fine. She wasn’t. She is now a teenager; my colleagues deal with her daily. She is not fine. I lied.
I lied. I talked a suicidal male down from the balcony of his own flat. He was on the ‘wrong’ side and said he had nothing to live for. I spent an hour talking to him, convincing him that he had everything to live for. He came down. I saved his life that night. I referred him to the appropriate agencies to support him through his crisis. He engaged with Mental Health Services for a while. He killed himself the following year. He left a suicide note saying he didn’t have anything to live for. I lied.
I lied. I attended my first ‘sudden death’ as a new Police Constable. I was 23 and the male that passed away was 21. I performed CPR whilst waiting for paramedics to attend. Any opportunities to save his life failed and he was pronounced dead. I checked his whole body for any suspicious activity and then I confirmed his death to his parents and his younger siblings. It was the first dead body I had seen since my own Grandad had died. This happened 19 years ago. I can still smell the air freshener in that house. My sergeant asked me if I was okay. I was not okay. I Lied.
I lied. I attended the scene of a report of a domestic violence incident in progress. The neighbours called police, concerned for the safety of a female. I found that female, she had significant injuries. An aggressive male threatened to stab me if I didn’t leave his property. I stayed. I arrested the male. I sustained injuries to my hands and wrist as a result. Colleagues took too long to assist me, they were dealing with their own incidents. The female refused to tell me what had happened. I persuaded her to give evidence and support a prosecution against him. She did. She placed her trust in me. She showed bravery beyond anything I could ever comprehend. He was charged with assault and remanded to court. I wrote the most convincing remand application to the court that I have ever written in my whole career. The court released him the next day. He went back to her and they resumed their relationship, she can’t leave him. The calls to Police continue. I told her she would be safe. I lied.
I Lied. As a Police Constable I was placed on two cell watches within one shift. When prisoners in custody are identified as being at high risk, an officer is assigned to watch over them to make sure they remain safe whilst in Police Custody. Risks are broad but can include medical issues, alcohol intoxication, illegal drug use, through to risks of self-harm and suicide. I was placed on a cell watch of a suicidal male, he had been arrested on suspicion of child sex offences. He tried to hang himself in the Police cell by binding his socks together to make a ligature. I pulled the ligature from his neck preventing his death. My actions were later commented upon because I should have stopped him before he got the opportunity to tie the socks together in the first place. During such duties you never take your eye of the detainee for a second. The same shift I was placed on a second cell watch. A male arrested on suspicion of murder also said he was suicidal. I was sat at the entrance to his cell and he was covered in the provided blanket. He removed the blanket to reveal his penis and started to masturbate. He told me I was pretty, he liked blondes. I had to maintain visual on him, to ensure his welfare, until such time I could raise the attention of a male colleague to take over from me. We all laughed afterwards at my expense. The Sergeant asked me if I was fine. I laughed and said I was and I went home. I lied.
I lied. I went to the report of a sexual assault. A 14 year old child had been raped by her Step Father. I consoled the child whilst my colleagues arrested the Step Father. I asked the child to hide in another room whilst her mother attacked me, scratching my chest and neck with her fingernails, furious because I had taken her boyfriend away from her. She had numerous contagious diseases. The child victim then turned on me, she bit me and I had to restrain her by the arms to prevent her injuring me. Her Mum hated the Police so she did too. I remember working a double shift that night. When I eventually got home to my own 14-year-old daughter, she gave me hug and asked me if I was okay. I said I was I okay. If she saw the marks on my neck she chose not to say. Once she was asleep I crept into her room, watched her sleep and I cried. I cried for that abused child. I cried that I was so blessed. I cried that my own child worried about me and I cried for the burden I placed upon her. I wasn’t okay. I lied.
You see Lush, I do lie, I lie to those I try to help, to my own colleagues and to my friends and family. I am not alone and I am sure that my colleagues reading this would agree they have done the same.
Whilst I can see there may have been good sentiment behind your latest campaign, it has been appallingly executed. Believe me nobody wants to see a corrupt practise or a corrupt officer held to account more than a decent hard-working officer. Unfortunately, your abhorrent window display depicts something far more sinister. I was shocked to see that you removed all un-supporting 1* posts from your Facebook page yet you did not remove those supporting posts that gave you 5* and used the slogan ACAB. This is more insulting than the campaign itself.
There are a lot of police officers that do a very hard job incredibly well. There will be the bad apples, as with any profession but to let the 0.1% influence your decision on all of them is absurd. On the whole i am very grateful for them and i appreciate all they do, as with all emergency services78 months
[report][news]Monday 4th Junequotequote all
Not my words. I have lied too.
flushlush
Dear Lush,
I have seen your front window display and the accusation that as a police officer I am “Paid to Lie”. I have given this considerable thought over the last 24 hours. I have looked over my 16-year career, from Constable to Inspector, and I must say that I agree with you wholly and passionately, because I am indeed “Paid to Lie”.
I Lied. I spent 8 hours of a 10-hour shift cradling a young baby in my arms. Her Mother was in Police Custody for stabbing her Father. Social Services were too stretched to attend. I used my own money to buy her milk and nappies. A member of the public remonstrated with me when they saw me buying these supplies, said I was “Wasting Tax Payer’s money doing my shopping when I should have been serving the public”. I rocked that baby to sleep, her tear stained cheek on mine. I whispered to her, I promised her she would be fine. She wasn’t. She is now a teenager; my colleagues deal with her daily. She is not fine. I lied.
I lied. I talked a suicidal male down from the balcony of his own flat. He was on the ‘wrong’ side and said he had nothing to live for. I spent an hour talking to him, convincing him that he had everything to live for. He came down. I saved his life that night. I referred him to the appropriate agencies to support him through his crisis. He engaged with Mental Health Services for a while. He killed himself the following year. He left a suicide note saying he didn’t have anything to live for. I lied.
I lied. I attended my first ‘sudden death’ as a new Police Constable. I was 23 and the male that passed away was 21. I performed CPR whilst waiting for paramedics to attend. Any opportunities to save his life failed and he was pronounced dead. I checked his whole body for any suspicious activity and then I confirmed his death to his parents and his younger siblings. It was the first dead body I had seen since my own Grandad had died. This happened 19 years ago. I can still smell the air freshener in that house. My sergeant asked me if I was okay. I was not okay. I Lied.
I lied. I attended the scene of a report of a domestic violence incident in progress. The neighbours called police, concerned for the safety of a female. I found that female, she had significant injuries. An aggressive male threatened to stab me if I didn’t leave his property. I stayed. I arrested the male. I sustained injuries to my hands and wrist as a result. Colleagues took too long to assist me, they were dealing with their own incidents. The female refused to tell me what had happened. I persuaded her to give evidence and support a prosecution against him. She did. She placed her trust in me. She showed bravery beyond anything I could ever comprehend. He was charged with assault and remanded to court. I wrote the most convincing remand application to the court that I have ever written in my whole career. The court released him the next day. He went back to her and they resumed their relationship, she can’t leave him. The calls to Police continue. I told her she would be safe. I lied.
I Lied. As a Police Constable I was placed on two cell watches within one shift. When prisoners in custody are identified as being at high risk, an officer is assigned to watch over them to make sure they remain safe whilst in Police Custody. Risks are broad but can include medical issues, alcohol intoxication, illegal drug use, through to risks of self-harm and suicide. I was placed on a cell watch of a suicidal male, he had been arrested on suspicion of child sex offences. He tried to hang himself in the Police cell by binding his socks together to make a ligature. I pulled the ligature from his neck preventing his death. My actions were later commented upon because I should have stopped him before he got the opportunity to tie the socks together in the first place. During such duties you never take your eye of the detainee for a second. The same shift I was placed on a second cell watch. A male arrested on suspicion of murder also said he was suicidal. I was sat at the entrance to his cell and he was covered in the provided blanket. He removed the blanket to reveal his penis and started to masturbate. He told me I was pretty, he liked blondes. I had to maintain visual on him, to ensure his welfare, until such time I could raise the attention of a male colleague to take over from me. We all laughed afterwards at my expense. The Sergeant asked me if I was fine. I laughed and said I was and I went home. I lied.
I lied. I went to the report of a sexual assault. A 14 year old child had been raped by her Step Father. I consoled the child whilst my colleagues arrested the Step Father. I asked the child to hide in another room whilst her mother attacked me, scratching my chest and neck with her fingernails, furious because I had taken her boyfriend away from her. She had numerous contagious diseases. The child victim then turned on me, she bit me and I had to restrain her by the arms to prevent her injuring me. Her Mum hated the Police so she did too. I remember working a double shift that night. When I eventually got home to my own 14-year-old daughter, she gave me hug and asked me if I was okay. I said I was I okay. If she saw the marks on my neck she chose not to say. Once she was asleep I crept into her room, watched her sleep and I cried. I cried for that abused child. I cried that I was so blessed. I cried that my own child worried about me and I cried for the burden I placed upon her. I wasn’t okay. I lied.
You see Lush, I do lie, I lie to those I try to help, to my own colleagues and to my friends and family. I am not alone and I am sure that my colleagues reading this would agree they have done the same.
Whilst I can see there may have been good sentiment behind your latest campaign, it has been appallingly executed. Believe me nobody wants to see a corrupt practise or a corrupt officer held to account more than a decent hard-working officer. Unfortunately, your abhorrent window display depicts something far more sinister. I was shocked to see that you removed all un-supporting 1* posts from your Facebook page yet you did not remove those supporting posts that gave you 5* and used the slogan ACAB. This is more insulting than the campaign itself.
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