refused speeding ticket after being pulled have i been silly
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fendertele said:
i'm not sure what he meant
i guess it would be enticing for someone to speed thinking that they can because no one is around to catch them...but they are..just hidden round the corner out of sight
similar to a shopkeeper leaving his till open and hiding under his counter, enticing the customer as he thinks there is no one around and so takes the money only to be confronted by the shop keeper as he he grabs it. if the shopkeep was in view they wouldnt do it.
i mean to be prosecuted with speed cameras there needs to be signs in clear view upon approaching ?
Not in this country. i guess it would be enticing for someone to speed thinking that they can because no one is around to catch them...but they are..just hidden round the corner out of sight
similar to a shopkeeper leaving his till open and hiding under his counter, enticing the customer as he thinks there is no one around and so takes the money only to be confronted by the shop keeper as he he grabs it. if the shopkeep was in view they wouldnt do it.
i mean to be prosecuted with speed cameras there needs to be signs in clear view upon approaching ?
agtlaw said:
fendertele said:
i'm not sure what he meant
i guess it would be enticing for someone to speed thinking that they can because no one is around to catch them...but they are..just hidden round the corner out of sight
similar to a shopkeeper leaving his till open and hiding under his counter, enticing the customer as he thinks there is no one around and so takes the money only to be confronted by the shop keeper as he he grabs it. if the shopkeep was in view they wouldnt do it.
i mean to be prosecuted with speed cameras there needs to be signs in clear view upon approaching ?
Not in this country. i guess it would be enticing for someone to speed thinking that they can because no one is around to catch them...but they are..just hidden round the corner out of sight
similar to a shopkeeper leaving his till open and hiding under his counter, enticing the customer as he thinks there is no one around and so takes the money only to be confronted by the shop keeper as he he grabs it. if the shopkeep was in view they wouldnt do it.
i mean to be prosecuted with speed cameras there needs to be signs in clear view upon approaching ?
No mileage in challenging the speedmeter as there are 2 witnesses. That is all they need, the speedmeter will give an accurate speed,the 2 witnesses opine that your speed was more than the limit.
Just so everyone knows, police officers sometimes need to be visible so drivers don’t collide with them. It is also used to show drivers that enforcement is taking place on accasions so the deterrent effect of enforcement in one place spreads to other places or the road network in general. It isn’t to give drivers a fair chance to slow down. Not being visible canand is used as a legitimate enforcement tactic and is certainly not entrapment...well it is if the officers are using lasers that have some form of magnetic speed inducing tractor-beam.
Have you been silly? Yes.
Edited by ghe13rte on Sunday 23 September 10:18
I think everyone is being a bit harsh here, not a lot, but a bit.
I've had something of the reverse of this. Travelling in a van along NSL road in a line of traffic and moving at the same speed. I was pulled out of the line and asked what the speed limit was for the vehicle, I said 60. Officer said no it was 50 and I was speeding, given a ticket to sign and a producer. Went to police station next day with producer which was fine but when I asked the officer what the speed limit was for the van he said 60, I explained what happened and he said 'You should not have signed the ticket, it is admitting an offense' and basically there was now essentially nothing I could do.
I've had something of the reverse of this. Travelling in a van along NSL road in a line of traffic and moving at the same speed. I was pulled out of the line and asked what the speed limit was for the vehicle, I said 60. Officer said no it was 50 and I was speeding, given a ticket to sign and a producer. Went to police station next day with producer which was fine but when I asked the officer what the speed limit was for the van he said 60, I explained what happened and he said 'You should not have signed the ticket, it is admitting an offense' and basically there was now essentially nothing I could do.
Gnits said:
I think everyone is being a bit harsh here, not a lot, but a bit.
I've had something of the reverse of this. Travelling in a van along NSL road in a line of traffic and moving at the same speed. I was pulled out of the line and asked what the speed limit was for the vehicle, I said 60. Officer said no it was 50 and I was speeding, given a ticket to sign and a producer. Went to police station next day with producer which was fine but when I asked the officer what the speed limit was for the van he said 60, I explained what happened and he said 'You should not have signed the ticket, it is admitting an offense' and basically there was now essentially nothing I could do.
He was wrong. I've had something of the reverse of this. Travelling in a van along NSL road in a line of traffic and moving at the same speed. I was pulled out of the line and asked what the speed limit was for the vehicle, I said 60. Officer said no it was 50 and I was speeding, given a ticket to sign and a producer. Went to police station next day with producer which was fine but when I asked the officer what the speed limit was for the van he said 60, I explained what happened and he said 'You should not have signed the ticket, it is admitting an offense' and basically there was now essentially nothing I could do.
A signature on a ticket is not an admission of guilt.
Greendubber said:
Gnits said:
I think everyone is being a bit harsh here, not a lot, but a bit.
I've had something of the reverse of this. Travelling in a van along NSL road in a line of traffic and moving at the same speed. I was pulled out of the line and asked what the speed limit was for the vehicle, I said 60. Officer said no it was 50 and I was speeding, given a ticket to sign and a producer. Went to police station next day with producer which was fine but when I asked the officer what the speed limit was for the van he said 60, I explained what happened and he said 'You should not have signed the ticket, it is admitting an offense' and basically there was now essentially nothing I could do.
He was wrong. I've had something of the reverse of this. Travelling in a van along NSL road in a line of traffic and moving at the same speed. I was pulled out of the line and asked what the speed limit was for the vehicle, I said 60. Officer said no it was 50 and I was speeding, given a ticket to sign and a producer. Went to police station next day with producer which was fine but when I asked the officer what the speed limit was for the van he said 60, I explained what happened and he said 'You should not have signed the ticket, it is admitting an offense' and basically there was now essentially nothing I could do.
A signature on a ticket is not an admission of guilt.
fendertele said:
i know i know im just qouting the guy who explained it to me and he used it the example as a form of entrapment.. but cool ill ring the speeding division up tomorrow and change my plea just thought id contest it tonight and see if i had any chance of getting off with it before accepting it
cheers
Don't bother. If your objections have worked you'll hear nothing more, if they haven't you'll get a chance to plead later on. cheers
JimbobVFR said:
The speed limit for a van IS 50mph on a single carriageway.
Depends on what van it was. A car derived van is 60mph on an NSL. Hard to say if the pull was correct without the details.Having said that it is a bad rule that causes so much hassle. Most motorist do not know the limit so get annoyed when a van is doing 50mph on an NSL.
What is even more bizarre is my Iveco van was 50mph, then I converted it and changed the details with DVLA and the same van was okay to do 60mph.
If it was traffic that stopped you, the case will already have been written and sent to the Procurator Fiscal for them to consider whether or not to proceed. The PF will have a ticket sent out to you with an offer to pay the fine and accept the 3 points in due course.
If you fail to pay the ticket within the 28 days of issuing, normal course is for the fine to be reissued but with a 50% premium on top. Fail to pay that and expect a citation in the post with a date to attend your local sheriff court.
If you fail to pay the ticket within the 28 days of issuing, normal course is for the fine to be reissued but with a 50% premium on top. Fail to pay that and expect a citation in the post with a date to attend your local sheriff court.
Awkward one this. I suspect the best way to do it is like the scrotes do. Say nothing that could be used, sign nothing that could be used.
If you are getting a fine or a conviction then you would have anyway and if you were not then there is no risk of getting foot in mouth and painful walletitis.
Like the scrotes you can always admit something later but once admitted you are done. In more ways than one.
If you are getting a fine or a conviction then you would have anyway and if you were not then there is no risk of getting foot in mouth and painful walletitis.
Like the scrotes you can always admit something later but once admitted you are done. In more ways than one.
fendertele said:
V8LM said:
fendertele said:
and one of the officers then tested my speedometer on my car and said it was fine
Out of interest, how?
One thing is for sure, One of the cast of chracters in this thread is on a wind up.
But which? Place your bets folks.
lol i know i wasnt sure how he was going about it... all he did was rev the engine and watch the rev counter go up and then said yeah nothing wrong with the speedo, if i had been quick on my feet i would have questioned his methods but it wasnt for a few moments after they left that i thought wtf kind of trickery was that !
anyways good advice guys ill just hope and pray the proc doesnt hit me up... i had thought of asking for calibration proof and of proof it had been tuned on that day specifically with a tuning fork but maybe i've already pushed my luck enough...
another hope is the fpn arrives 14 days after they pulled me over... but then im not sure if that works in the same way as being caught by a stationary speed camera on a post does... is it 14 days from the time i got pulled over or 14 days from the time the proc recieves the officers information.
anyways good advice guys ill just hope and pray the proc doesnt hit me up... i had thought of asking for calibration proof and of proof it had been tuned on that day specifically with a tuning fork but maybe i've already pushed my luck enough...
another hope is the fpn arrives 14 days after they pulled me over... but then im not sure if that works in the same way as being caught by a stationary speed camera on a post does... is it 14 days from the time i got pulled over or 14 days from the time the proc recieves the officers information.
Psycho Warren said:
whats all this b
ks about not being allowed to drive the rest of the evening? he'd have to seize your car or arrest you to enforce that. lol.
I think it was to get me to accept the ticket, he never mentioned it until i said i wasnt taking the ticket off him at that point, he was hitting me with needing to inspect the car.... you will not be driving for the rest of your shift... i may get in contact with your employer... a whole load of things that weren't brought up until i declined the ticket and refused to plead guilty to the speed.ks about not being allowed to drive the rest of the evening? he'd have to seize your car or arrest you to enforce that. lol.However as i wasn't giving him attitude i guessed he softened... or maybe when i started asking questions about them not being visible making myself look a bit more knowledgable than the average person they pull, he changed his mind and no longer wanted to keep me off the road, contact my employer etc... who knows i did end up working the rest of the night.. need the money for the impending fine lol
fendertele said:
lol i know i wasnt sure how he was going about it... all he did was rev the engine and watch the rev counter go up and then said yeah nothing wrong with the speedo, if i had been quick on my feet i would have questioned his methods but it wasnt for a few moments after they left that i thought wtf kind of trickery was that !
anyways good advice guys ill just hope and pray the proc doesnt hit me up... i had thought of asking for calibration proof and of proof it had been tuned on that day specifically with a tuning fork but maybe i've already pushed my luck enough...
another hope is the fpn arrives 14 days after they pulled me over... but then im not sure if that works in the same way as being caught by a stationary speed camera on a post does... is it 14 days from the time i got pulled over or 14 days from the time the proc recieves the officers information.
You won't get a FPN in the postanyways good advice guys ill just hope and pray the proc doesnt hit me up... i had thought of asking for calibration proof and of proof it had been tuned on that day specifically with a tuning fork but maybe i've already pushed my luck enough...
another hope is the fpn arrives 14 days after they pulled me over... but then im not sure if that works in the same way as being caught by a stationary speed camera on a post does... is it 14 days from the time i got pulled over or 14 days from the time the proc recieves the officers information.
fendertele said:
Psycho Warren said:
whats all this bks about not being allowed to drive the rest of the evening? he'd have to seize your car or arrest you to enforce that. lol.
I think it was to get me to accept the ticket, he never mentioned it until i said i wasnt taking the ticket off him at that point, he was hitting me with needing to inspect the car.... you will not be driving for the rest of your shift... i may get in contact with your employer... a whole load of things that weren't brought up until i declined the ticket and refused to plead guilty to the speed.ks about not being allowed to drive the rest of the evening? he'd have to seize your car or arrest you to enforce that. lol.However as i wasn't giving him attitude i guessed he softened... or maybe when i started asking questions about them not being visible making myself look a bit more knowledgable than the average person they pull, he changed his mind and no longer wanted to keep me off the road, contact my employer etc... who knows i did end up working the rest of the night.. need the money for the impending fine lol
what i meant is instead of just blindly accepting it, i was questioning things.. whether or not they are actually helpful, he may have noticed i was looking to exhaust all possibilities to not accept it and possibly telling me i couldnt work the rest of the night or was going to contact my work etc.. was something he shouldn't have said or wasn't within his rights too.
And again i was just asking them about it not stating it was the law as i had been fed this information from someone that works alongside the police who had seen it used in defense, along with most of these not being taken to court due to lack of funding in scotland.. So i was just questioning them on it in the hope it might have rang some truth with them.
And again i was just asking them about it not stating it was the law as i had been fed this information from someone that works alongside the police who had seen it used in defense, along with most of these not being taken to court due to lack of funding in scotland.. So i was just questioning them on it in the hope it might have rang some truth with them.
Edited by fendertele on Tuesday 25th September 21:51
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