Busted with Illegal plate

[Fermit and Sarah]

Vaud said:

Fermit and Sarah said:

I disagree, I don't believe it's unclear. I've also asked a few MOT centres about it, and any I've asked have said it's not an illegal plate in their opinions.

I'm sure they will pay any fines on your behalf. It isn't their call.

So why not just paint the screw black?

Checking the legality of a numberplate is part of the MOT, as far as I'm aware.

Anyways, I've said all I need to say on the subject, and as I've no desire to repeat myself or be drawn in to spats I'm going to bow out here. Thank most of you for keeping it more civil than I anticipated it may be.

[silentbrown]

Fermit and Sarah said:

I disagree, I don't believe it's unclear. I've also asked a few MOT centres about it, and any I've asked have said it's not an illegal plate in their opinions.

Should be a fail. Surely you'd agree that changes the legibility of the character?

MOT Inspection manual. https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/m...
.

[ghe13rte]

Vaud said:

ghe13rte said:

As distance from the plate increases it will start to look more like an O than an 8.
Some ANPR cameras will read it as an 8 some a 0.
The car isn’t registered as R08 it is R88.

In some photography it wil result in multiple searches by police to get the correct vehicle.

If the keeper thinks it better to stroke his manhood while the police make multiple attempts to ID the car great, carry on.

You know it’s wrong and the police are hard-pushed to deal with “real crime” so why not just comply and stop taking the piss so you can drive with a hard-on FFS.

Right - there is no need for that screw to be yellow? The only reason for it not to be yellow is either laziness or a desire to obfuscate the plate.

Exactly, it’s yellow to make it look like an O in ROB
Everyone knows that but ROB reckons it’s OK
While a bit of straight-talking has insulted him it’s an insult to any form of intelligence above imbecile that fiddling around with plates is just daft
It’s about time a clamp-down was made by the police on this, it wouldn’t take too much effort to add it to the camera work they do
DVLA seem to have turned a blind eye and have done for years

[Fermit and Sarah]

silentbrown said:

Fermit and Sarah said:

I disagree, I don't believe it's unclear. I've also asked a few MOT centres about it, and any I've asked have said it's not an illegal plate in their opinions.

Should be a fail. Surely you'd agree that changes the legibility of the character?

MOT Inspection manual. https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/m...
.

OK, this merits a further post. My reg plate is R88 TYL. I don't remove said cap on MOT day, and never have. You can check its MOT history online, and you'll note no mention of any numberplate issue from any of the numerous test centres I've used.

So none of them deemed it a fail, as none of them believed it changes the legibility of the 8. On that note I really don't think I need to add anything further.

[vonhosen]

Fermit and Sarah said:

silentbrown said:

Fermit and Sarah said:

I disagree, I don't believe it's unclear. I've also asked a few MOT centres about it, and any I've asked have said it's not an illegal plate in their opinions.

Should be a fail. Surely you'd agree that changes the legibility of the character?

MOT Inspection manual. https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/m...
.

OK, this merits a further post. My reg plate is R88 TYL. I don't remove said cap on MOT day, and never have. You can check its MOT history online, and you'll note no mention of any numberplate issue from any of the numerous test centres I've used.

So none of them deemed it a fail, as none of them believed it changes the legibility of the 8. On that note I really don't think I need to add anything further.

So what?
How is that binding for an officer, court or DVSA?

[silentbrown]

Fermit and Sarah said:

... none of them believed it changes the legibility of the 8.

But you think otherwise

Fermit and Sarah said:

My 'crime' is making R88 look a little bit more like ROB

That's the current MOT manual. Maybe the guidance has changed, maybe you've just got lucky so far. (And just because the MOT manual says something, that doesn't make it inherently illegal - just means they can refuse an MOT on that basis)

Impressive number of advisories for bald tyres and brakes though. Hat tip...

[Red Devil]

silentbrown said:

Fermit and Sarah said:

I disagree, I don't believe it's unclear. I've also asked a few MOT centres about it, and any I've asked have said it's not an illegal plate in their opinions.

Should be a fail. Surely you'd agree that changes the legibility of the character?

MOT Inspection manual. https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/m...
.

- See Section 11(3) - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2001/561/regula...
The fact that none of the testers would issue a fail doesn't change that fact.

ghe13rte said:

The car isn’t registered as R08 it is R88.

Rather than castigating the poster maybe your time would be better spent getting your defective eyesight corrected.
I reckon that's far more worrying than a dodgy screw cap...

[gareth_r]

Every time the subject of "non-standard" plates comes up, someone trots out the usual "cameras can't read them" response, and every time I want to ask a question, so this time, I'm going to...

Australia is very keen on both cameras and draconian enforcement of traffic laws, yet Australian plates can be ordered in many different styles and many different formats.

New South Wales, for example >>>> https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/order-p...

Following the links through Order Online to Plate Range takes you to this page >>>> https://www.myplates.com.au/products/index.html

As an example, if I was Australian, I could have bought GARETH, had someone not beaten me to it. I could still have G4RETH on my car, and, perhaps, GLR on my bike, as custom plates. Neither of these is remotely like any of the standard formats.

Having chosen the text, I could then choose from various sizes, fonts, colour combinations, backgrounds, pictures, additional text.

Are Australian cameras more advanced than those used in the UK?


What do you think?




Very limited style options for bikes.




Should I hand myself in on the C124PPY personalised plates thread for thought crimes?

Edited by gareth_r on Monday 15th October 09:53

[PF62]

HantsRat said:

Gave a chap a ticket the other month for this. He started stating that everyone does it. In the 10 minutes of checks and filling out the ticket not 1 vehicle passed with an illegal plate and this was on a busy motorway. He soon shut up.

3 weeks later saw the same guy with the same illegal plate. DVLA have now revoked his 4 character plate. All simply could have been avoided by just following the rules.

I personally don't get it. You don't change the serial number of your TV or hoover so why change the 'serial number' of a car?

It always surprises me why people have butchered plates as it would seem such an easy 'hit' for the police and gives them the opportunity to stop the car whenever they fancy and see what they can find.

[av185]

ghe13rte said:

DVLA seem to have turned a blind eye and have done for years

DVLA don't just turn a blind eye.

They actively encourage illegal Chavplating.

Hardly surprising considering the amount of money they make from 'lifestyle wannabees' suckers prepared to pay £300+ for some random anyplatewhatsoever then butcher it with incorrect spacing and additional screwcaps resulting in an illegal Chav plate which might vaguely resemble their name.

These Chav plates are merely an extension of their desperate need for attention and about as desirable as a fake Rolex or any other fake designer tat.

They certainly make an impression.

[Kraken]

xjay1337 said:

Lots of things are illegal.
Many of them get over looked.

I personally think that Middle Lane hogging is significantly more dangerous, widespread and annoying to the general public than an illegal number plate.

Yet this is not tackled often by police, certainly not to the same level as number plate offences.

In the grand scheme of things number plate offences are not in any way dangerous and to have an illegal plate does not increase anyones risk of an accident. It's purely a legislative exercise.

So no, your statement is completely out of kilter with my point / straw man.

Where are your facts to say that more people are stopped for number plate offences than for middle lane type offences? Read any general forum about middle lane use and you'll see a significant number of people who think that driving in the middle lane is safer. I don't agree with them but they, like you, have the same view that the rules they are breaking are unimportant.

There are many crimes that some people see as not important but they are still crimes. I know many people who see nothing wrong with stealing property that has taken many people thousands of hours to create for example.

[Christmassss]

Illegal plates don't bother me personally.

On my black RX7 I took the front one off the front as it blocked the radiator. On Christmas day driving up to my parents the police pulled me over. I explained the reason at which point they spent 20 mins discussing between themselves where the best place to put it would be whilst not restricting airflow.

To be fair to them the did actually come up with a good idea.

[xjay1337]

Kraken said:

Where are your facts to say that more people are stopped for number plate offences than for middle lane type offences? Read any general forum about middle lane use and you'll see a significant number of people who think that driving in the middle lane is safer. I don't agree with them but they, like you, have the same view that the rules they are breaking are unimportant.

There are many crimes that some people see as not important but they are still crimes. I know many people who see nothing wrong with stealing property that has taken many people thousands of hours to create for example.

Well, it's a bit hard because data for these offences is not openly published.
So I did what any smart person would do , and spent literally 3 minutes on Google.



Regarding number plates:

"But what happens if you’re caught out? Data supplied to us via a Freedom of Information Request from 34 out of England’s 39 police forces shows that an eye-watering 5,395 people were fined or prosecuted for possessing an illegal number plate in 2015"

(So 5,395 people were fined over 12 months.)

and then regarding middle lane hogging:

"However, despite the dangers associated with middle-lane hogging is appears only 135 people have been charged with the offence, according to a Freedom of Information request in September 2016."

(It doesn't stipulate a time frame this 135 were taken over, I would suspect this is ever/since the introduction of the law, I'll say it's over a year as well to be [very] fair)

So based upon these, nearly 4000% more people are prosecuted for an illegal number plate (in some way) than for middle lane hogging.
Now to me I find that wrong?
Middle lane hogging can cause road rage, speeding (to overtake), congestion and accidents.

While going through various statistics on the ONS in the course of finding the information above, I came to the following conclusions from my research

1) Police forces across the country are under a lot of pressure (budget cuts, etc) and their statistics are bad in terms of conviction rates etc.

2) Motoring related offences can bring in a lot of money and are easy and relatively cheap to enforce (IE if you are caught speeding that's at least £100 in the governments back pocket and a "conviction" for the police force).

3) Motorists are rightly or wrongly being given a pretty hard time vs other more serious crimes (IE burglary) .


Like I have said, you take your risk and you pay the price if you are caught.
But no-one can hand on heart say that the motorists is often targeted more than other "criminals".

Oh well, it doth not matter.

[anonymous-user]

Fermit and Sarah said:

OK, this merits a further post. My reg plate is R88 TYL. I don't remove said cap on MOT day, and never have. You can check its MOT history online, and you'll note no mention of any numberplate issue from any of the numerous test centres I've used.

So none of them deemed it a fail, as none of them believed it changes the legibility of the 8. On that note I really don't think I need to add anything further.

You are having a bit of fun Rob, and I can see that. But on here, you are the antichrist. And a chav to boot. Oh, and a moron.

This place is toxic. You posted one honest thread, with a picture, and in no time at all there are 3 pages of people quoting section 11.x of the road traffic act / MOT / DVS regs, section 2b.

I'm starting to get the impression there are a lot of folk on here who participate in those neighbourhood speed checking schemes. You know, high-viz and clip boards with a speed gun.

I'm not sure why I keep coming back, but , well, its fun. In a warped way.

Cheers Rob ;-)

[cj2013]

xjay1337 said:

Well, it's a bit hard because data for these offences is not openly published.
So I did what any smart person would do , and spent literally 3 minutes on Google.



Regarding number plates:

"But what happens if you’re caught out? Data supplied to us via a Freedom of Information Request from 34 out of England’s 39 police forces shows that an eye-watering 5,395 people were fined or prosecuted for possessing an illegal number plate in 2015"

(So 5,395 people were fined over 12 months.)

and then regarding middle lane hogging:

"However, despite the dangers associated with middle-lane hogging is appears only 135 people have been charged with the offence, according to a Freedom of Information request in September 2016."

(It doesn't stipulate a time frame this 135 were taken over, I would suspect this is ever/since the introduction of the law, I'll say it's over a year as well to be [very] fair)

So based upon these, nearly 4000% more people are prosecuted for an illegal number plate (in some way) than for middle lane hogging.
Now to me I find that wrong?
Middle lane hogging can cause road rage, speeding (to overtake), congestion and accidents.

While going through various statistics on the ONS in the course of finding the information above, I came to the following conclusions from my research

1) Police forces across the country are under a lot of pressure (budget cuts, etc) and their statistics are bad in terms of conviction rates etc.

2) Motoring related offences can bring in a lot of money and are easy and relatively cheap to enforce (IE if you are caught speeding that's at least £100 in the governments back pocket and a "conviction" for the police force).

3) Motorists are rightly or wrongly being given a pretty hard time vs other more serious crimes (IE burglary) .


Like I have said, you take your risk and you pay the price if you are caught.
But no-one can hand on heart say that the motorists is often targeted more than other "criminals".

Oh well, it doth not matter.

You know what they say about "lies, damn lies and statistics", though!

People who have crappy plates are committing the crime 24/7. They are conviction that is literally waiting to happen, as it's also incredibly easy to prove.

MLMs and Tailgaters would need to be caught at the exact moment they choose to commit the crime, which throws in 'opportunity' as a variable straight off, but intrinsically, the burden of proof becomes difficult.

Ideally, you'd have to have a full picture of data that probably isn't available, such as how many people are pulled over for tailgating or MLM'ing, rather than purely the "conviction" rates.

[ArmaghMan]

Mandalore said:

ArmaghMan said:

I think you will find that the VIN is the serial number.

Good to see no unsolved rapes, burglaries, murders in your area. And then the police wonder why people have no time for them.

Yes that always works with British police

[vonhosen]

xjay1337 said:

Kraken said:

Where are your facts to say that more people are stopped for number plate offences than for middle lane type offences? Read any general forum about middle lane use and you'll see a significant number of people who think that driving in the middle lane is safer. I don't agree with them but they, like you, have the same view that the rules they are breaking are unimportant.

There are many crimes that some people see as not important but they are still crimes. I know many people who see nothing wrong with stealing property that has taken many people thousands of hours to create for example.

Well, it's a bit hard because data for these offences is not openly published.
So I did what any smart person would do , and spent literally 3 minutes on Google.



Regarding number plates:

"But what happens if you’re caught out? Data supplied to us via a Freedom of Information Request from 34 out of England’s 39 police forces shows that an eye-watering 5,395 people were fined or prosecuted for possessing an illegal number plate in 2015"

(So 5,395 people were fined over 12 months.)

and then regarding middle lane hogging:

"However, despite the dangers associated with middle-lane hogging is appears only 135 people have been charged with the offence, according to a Freedom of Information request in September 2016."

(It doesn't stipulate a time frame this 135 were taken over, I would suspect this is ever/since the introduction of the law, I'll say it's over a year as well to be [very] fair)

So based upon these, nearly 4000% more people are prosecuted for an illegal number plate (in some way) than for middle lane hogging.
Now to me I find that wrong?
Middle lane hogging can cause road rage, speeding (to overtake), congestion and accidents.

While going through various statistics on the ONS in the course of finding the information above, I came to the following conclusions from my research

1) Police forces across the country are under a lot of pressure (budget cuts, etc) and their statistics are bad in terms of conviction rates etc.

2) Motoring related offences can bring in a lot of money and are easy and relatively cheap to enforce (IE if you are caught speeding that's at least £100 in the governments back pocket and a "conviction" for the police force).

3) Motorists are rightly or wrongly being given a pretty hard time vs other more serious crimes (IE burglary) .


Like I have said, you take your risk and you pay the price if you are caught.
But no-one can hand on heart say that the motorists is often targeted more than other "criminals".

Oh well, it doth not matter.

What law?
Middle lane hogging isn't a legislated offence.

[Mandalore]

ArmaghMan said:

Mandalore said:

ArmaghMan said:

I think you will find that the VIN is the serial number.

Good to see no unsolved rapes, burglaries, murders in your area. And then the police wonder why people have no time for them.

Yes that always works with British police

In your biased stupor, you left of the pictures of people like:

Shipman, West, Sutcliffe, Brady, etc.

[xjay1337]

vonhosen said:

What law?
Middle lane hogging isn't a legislated offence.

Comes under careless driving i believe.
Was announced last year it would now be enforced but doesn't seem to...

Probably because it requires actual policing.

[vonhosen]

xjay1337 said:

vonhosen said:

What law?
Middle lane hogging isn't a legislated offence.

Comes under careless driving i believe.
Was announced last year it would now be enforced but doesn't seem to...

Probably because it requires actual policing.

That was no new law though, it was always necessary to use Sec 3 RTA (because as I say there being no specific legislated offence in relation to lane discipline). Of course that requires sufficient evidence of careless/inconsiderate driving & it also be sufficient to warrant a prosecution.