Drink driving the reality
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Horrific incident described there.
But I'm not sure how taking a blood sample from Adam (who was reportedly dying in Officer Harry's arms) just to establish Adam was over the limit would have consoled Anna's family in any way, especially as Adam presumably passed away as well.
Nor would it have made Anna's boyfriend, who had the sense not to drive, feel any better.
I can understand why there may have been a need to establish that Adam may have been "over the limit", but why share that with the families involved - it doesn't help them in any way. And sharing with the rest of the world just makes it worse!
Nice one Harry.
But I'm not sure how taking a blood sample from Adam (who was reportedly dying in Officer Harry's arms) just to establish Adam was over the limit would have consoled Anna's family in any way, especially as Adam presumably passed away as well.
Nor would it have made Anna's boyfriend, who had the sense not to drive, feel any better.
I can understand why there may have been a need to establish that Adam may have been "over the limit", but why share that with the families involved - it doesn't help them in any way. And sharing with the rest of the world just makes it worse!
Nice one Harry.
Mr Tidy said:
Horrific incident described there.
But I'm not sure how taking a blood sample from Adam (who was reportedly dying in Officer Harry's arms) just to establish Adam was over the limit would have consoled Anna's family in any way, especially as Adam presumably passed away as well.
Nor would it have made Anna's boyfriend, who had the sense not to drive, feel any better.
I can understand why there may have been a need to establish that Adam may have been "over the limit", but why share that with the families involved - it doesn't help them in any way. And sharing with the rest of the world just makes it worse!
Nice one Harry.
He's thinking like a copper. It's his job to find out why something happened. This has many benefits. For instance, it provides facts about drink driving and will help in reducing such incidents in the future. It provides evidence against those who refuse to accept that alcohol has a massively negative affect on one's driving. But I'm not sure how taking a blood sample from Adam (who was reportedly dying in Officer Harry's arms) just to establish Adam was over the limit would have consoled Anna's family in any way, especially as Adam presumably passed away as well.
Nor would it have made Anna's boyfriend, who had the sense not to drive, feel any better.
I can understand why there may have been a need to establish that Adam may have been "over the limit", but why share that with the families involved - it doesn't help them in any way. And sharing with the rest of the world just makes it worse!
Nice one Harry.
You quote 'over the limit'. Why on earth should you do that?
Families want to know. Many suggest families need to know. In the old days such information was kept from the NoK. It has been proved to be a bad idea.
Sharing it, as you say, with the rest of the world will, if Learn 2 Live has anything to do with it, reduce such incidents and perhaps encourage people not to accept lifts from drunk drivers.
Accidents should be investigated. The results should be made public.
I don't understand banning people for drinking driving, if they drive drunk, they already drove when they were not supposed to.
I think prison needs to be considered certainly after a first offence as I accept some people make the mistake once. Come across to many people who have been done 3 times or more and a ban really doesn't scare them it's just like par for the course if they get caught.
I think prison needs to be considered certainly after a first offence as I accept some people make the mistake once. Come across to many people who have been done 3 times or more and a ban really doesn't scare them it's just like par for the course if they get caught.
My sister knew a girl who was absolutely off her face drunk a few years ago. Posh, entitled cow of a girl, hard to like really. Her Dad spoiled her and it became a contest between the two parents who could spoil her more.
Anyway, my sister is at a house party and this girl is there, she has an argument with her boyfriend and decides to go home. She drove to the party, and got in her car and drove off. It was a brand new convertible Mercedes Benz, so it wasn't short on power. She had the roof down and just sped off, several people had seen what she was going to do and tried to take her keys off her, but she just ran to the car and drove off.
So this girl is doing a good speed on a normal road, which then changes in to a dual carriageway, and between the two roads it's lined with huge trees. It's residential too, with cars parked on the road. She loses control of the car, clips the parked car which then shoots her off towards the trees. Clips the kerb, sends the car flying full on in to the tree. I pass by the spot where it happened, the tree is still standing.
She ended up blind, disfigured as the car caught fire, and paralysed. She now goes around schools talking about what happened and why people shouldn't drink and drive.
On the same token, I know a guy who worked at a pub who had this d
head customer come in on a Sunday and sink 8 pints of Old Rosie cider, leaving their car outside in the car park with his kids in it. My mate calls the police, they wait for him to drive off and pull him over to give him a breath test. The alcohol in his blood stream was minimal and was let go.
Then, you consider some people drive completely sober and are a danger to everyone on the road.
Anyway, my sister is at a house party and this girl is there, she has an argument with her boyfriend and decides to go home. She drove to the party, and got in her car and drove off. It was a brand new convertible Mercedes Benz, so it wasn't short on power. She had the roof down and just sped off, several people had seen what she was going to do and tried to take her keys off her, but she just ran to the car and drove off.
So this girl is doing a good speed on a normal road, which then changes in to a dual carriageway, and between the two roads it's lined with huge trees. It's residential too, with cars parked on the road. She loses control of the car, clips the parked car which then shoots her off towards the trees. Clips the kerb, sends the car flying full on in to the tree. I pass by the spot where it happened, the tree is still standing.
She ended up blind, disfigured as the car caught fire, and paralysed. She now goes around schools talking about what happened and why people shouldn't drink and drive.
On the same token, I know a guy who worked at a pub who had this d
head customer come in on a Sunday and sink 8 pints of Old Rosie cider, leaving their car outside in the car park with his kids in it. My mate calls the police, they wait for him to drive off and pull him over to give him a breath test. The alcohol in his blood stream was minimal and was let go.Then, you consider some people drive completely sober and are a danger to everyone on the road.
Derek Smith said:
Mr Tidy said:
Horrific incident described there.
But I'm not sure how taking a blood sample from Adam (who was reportedly dying in Officer Harry's arms) just to establish Adam was over the limit would have consoled Anna's family in any way, especially as Adam presumably passed away as well.
Nor would it have made Anna's boyfriend, who had the sense not to drive, feel any better.
I can understand why there may have been a need to establish that Adam may have been "over the limit", but why share that with the families involved - it doesn't help them in any way. And sharing with the rest of the world just makes it worse!
Nice one Harry.
He's thinking like a copper. It's his job to find out why something happened. This has many benefits. For instance, it provides facts about drink driving and will help in reducing such incidents in the future. It provides evidence against those who refuse to accept that alcohol has a massively negative affect on one's driving. But I'm not sure how taking a blood sample from Adam (who was reportedly dying in Officer Harry's arms) just to establish Adam was over the limit would have consoled Anna's family in any way, especially as Adam presumably passed away as well.
Nor would it have made Anna's boyfriend, who had the sense not to drive, feel any better.
I can understand why there may have been a need to establish that Adam may have been "over the limit", but why share that with the families involved - it doesn't help them in any way. And sharing with the rest of the world just makes it worse!
Nice one Harry.
You quote 'over the limit'. Why on earth should you do that?
Families want to know. Many suggest families need to know. In the old days such information was kept from the NoK. It has been proved to be a bad idea.
Sharing it, as you say, with the rest of the world will, if Learn 2 Live has anything to do with it, reduce such incidents and perhaps encourage people not to accept lifts from drunk drivers.
Accidents should be investigated. The results should be made public.
It's not his job to make people feel better, it's his job to establish fact.
I feel that sharing such stuff is not a good idea esp for the family concerned
I have lost a family member to a motorist while crossing the road and he was not drunk
However in addition to drink driving how about people using mobiles and esp on social media apps while traffic ,that too is equally dangerous and has been proven too
carboy2017 said:
I feel that sharing such stuff is not a good idea esp for the family concerned
I have lost a family member to a motorist while crossing the road and he was not drunk
However in addition to drink driving how about people using mobiles and esp on social media apps while traffic ,that too is equally dangerous and has been proven too
The family would have given their consent to it. I have lost a family member to a motorist while crossing the road and he was not drunk
However in addition to drink driving how about people using mobiles and esp on social media apps while traffic ,that too is equally dangerous and has been proven too
Happened in 2008
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8316606.s...
Sobering website
https://www.learn-2-live.org.uk/real-life-stories
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8316606.s...
Sobering website
https://www.learn-2-live.org.uk/real-life-stories
Edited by solo2 on Monday 10th December 15:25
Sorry for your loss.
"...research shows that driver fatigue may be a contributory factor in up to 20% of road accidents, and up to one quarter of fatal and serious accidents."
https://www.rospa.com/road-safety/advice/drivers/f...
Be honest, who hasn't?
carboy2017 said:
However in addition to drink driving how about people using mobiles and esp on social media apps while traffic ,that too is equally dangerous and has been proven too
I'd add fatigue to that, having been a victim of it myself (to me, not by). Apart from the occasional motorway sign, I don't remember any information campaign about it even though"...research shows that driver fatigue may be a contributory factor in up to 20% of road accidents, and up to one quarter of fatal and serious accidents."
https://www.rospa.com/road-safety/advice/drivers/f...
Be honest, who hasn't?
Mr Tidy said:
Horrific incident described there.
But I'm not sure how taking a blood sample from Adam (who was reportedly dying in Officer Harry's arms) just to establish Adam was over the limit would have consoled Anna's family in any way, especially as Adam presumably passed away as well.
Nor would it have made Anna's boyfriend, who had the sense not to drive, feel any better.
I can understand why there may have been a need to establish that Adam may have been "over the limit", but why share that with the families involved - it doesn't help them in any way. And sharing with the rest of the world just makes it worse!
Nice one Harry.
You are wrong.But I'm not sure how taking a blood sample from Adam (who was reportedly dying in Officer Harry's arms) just to establish Adam was over the limit would have consoled Anna's family in any way, especially as Adam presumably passed away as well.
Nor would it have made Anna's boyfriend, who had the sense not to drive, feel any better.
I can understand why there may have been a need to establish that Adam may have been "over the limit", but why share that with the families involved - it doesn't help them in any way. And sharing with the rest of the world just makes it worse!
Nice one Harry.
The first question out of someone's mouth when they receive a death message is usually "What happened ?".
Then they want to know why it happened.
They deserve to know.
If you were in the same position then you would want to know too, I expect.
It also helps with the grieving process to have as many questions answered as possible.
Everyone is different and the level of detail people want to know varies but everyone (ime) wants to know at least the basics.
Edited by Red 4 on Monday 10th December 17:01
Red 4 said:
Mr Tidy said:
Horrific incident described there.
But I'm not sure how taking a blood sample from Adam (who was reportedly dying in Officer Harry's arms) just to establish Adam was over the limit would have consoled Anna's family in any way, especially as Adam presumably passed away as well.
Nor would it have made Anna's boyfriend, who had the sense not to drive, feel any better.
I can understand why there may have been a need to establish that Adam may have been "over the limit", but why share that with the families involved - it doesn't help them in any way. And sharing with the rest of the world just makes it worse!
Nice one Harry.
You are wrong.But I'm not sure how taking a blood sample from Adam (who was reportedly dying in Officer Harry's arms) just to establish Adam was over the limit would have consoled Anna's family in any way, especially as Adam presumably passed away as well.
Nor would it have made Anna's boyfriend, who had the sense not to drive, feel any better.
I can understand why there may have been a need to establish that Adam may have been "over the limit", but why share that with the families involved - it doesn't help them in any way. And sharing with the rest of the world just makes it worse!
Nice one Harry.
The first question out of someone's mouth when they receive a death message is usually "What happened ?".
Then they want to know why it happened.
They deserve to know.
If you were in the same position then you would want to know too, I expect.
It also helps with the grieving process to have as many questions answered as possible.
Everyone is different and the level of detail people want to know varies but everyone (ime) wants to know at least the basics.
Edited by Red 4 on Monday 10th December 17:01
sgtBerbatov said:
There's a difference between knowing your husband was ran over by a vehicle, and being told he was hit by a bus where the Pirelli ran over his head and exploded his brain.
I went to a lecture, then unstructured chat, by NoK of the Lockerbie terrorist bombing. One person was adamant that the police made it worse by not answering questions fully. Other criticisms included blocking them from the site, sticking them in a viewing area where little can be seen.The way NoK and survivors are treated following aircrashes changed after that. There was some transfer to major incidents and fatal road accidents as well. NoK are often taken to incident rooms and allowed to see what is happening and question investigators. Much has to be hidden at that time of course. They can ask to return post trial. Some are asked if they'd consent to a few questions on how the police acted.
The one thing NoK don't need is to be patronised, which the police used to excel at.
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