Reporting crimes to the police

Reporting crimes to the police

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paulwirral

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3,104 posts

134 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Shame you didn’t get to smash him up op! This kind of thing make me angry - it’s your house damnit!

Might be worth changing your choice of implement now plod have seen it? Ideally to something a house holder might have around for other reasons - maybe a spade?

Did your security light come on (if you have one) and did it have any effect?
The lights did indeed come on , he actually waited just out of view of the camera until it timed out . Nothing was stopping him apart from direct confrontation, there's not a lot you can do if they want to be in .

Greendubber

13,128 posts

202 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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Bigends said:
The OP can have a dozen baseball bats in every room - not illegal inside the house. Officer may advise regarding use..not possession
Yep, he can even have knives and all sorts of other menacing stuff too.


ED209

5,740 posts

243 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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paulwirral said:
Back on night shift again ! Wife was away overnight last night so only one car on the drive , I'm just settling down to enjoy a good nights sleep on whichever side of the bed I want to and I hear the cctv recorder spark up , it's just a car parking outside I think but then I hear a dull thud !
I flick the tv on and there's the arrogant tracksuit wearing fker swaggering around the back of my house looking in the outbuildings , I jumped up and tried to keep an eye on the tv whilst trying to pull some clothes on . Straight downstairs as I watched him jump back over the gates and guessed he's going back to the window on the front , I didn't put the lights on this time and I opened the dining room door and there he is trying the window again , I popped up at the window with a baseball bat in hand and he's off like usain bolt down the street !
I'm guessing he thought the house was empty but the absolute arrogance of him had to be seen to be believed , definitely not in any hurry and very comfortable in his work .
Called the cops who came round , had a quick look at the footage and announced there hadn't been a crime committed so couldn't do anything even if they tugged him , they also told me I shouldn't have a baseball bat and advised me to get a door bell that records anyone in front of it , after watching the fker on 5 cameras checking out the car , jump the gates , take a look in the outbuildings, jump back over the gates and run down the road . I think he had a guy watching with a car down the road but it's just to far away to Id it .
It's an eye opener to watch these people at work and a huge reality check that regardless what you've done , this st is still willing to have a go ! Cameras were no deterrent last night , easily got around with a scarf and hat .
I read that as that he tries to open a window? Which would make it an attempt burglary. Before that act mooching around your yard could fit the definition of being found on an enclosed premises for an unlawful purpose.

Brads67

3,199 posts

97 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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Greendubber said:
Yep, he can even have knives and all sorts of other menacing stuff too.
As an aside, you can own a flick knife if you only ever have it in your house.

Can't buy one or import one, but if you have one you can keep it.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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You can own any offensive weapon in your house as offensive weapons apply to public places only.


Brads67

3,199 posts

97 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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There is a list of prohibited weapons which are illegal to own outright. Flick knives are on that list.

As far as I am aware they can be possessed in your own home but that is changing to outlaw possession of certain weapons even in private.

Knuckle dusters for one.

Bigends

5,412 posts

127 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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Brads67 said:
There is a list of prohibited weapons which are illegal to own outright. Flick knives are on that list.

As far as I am aware they can be possessed in your own home but that is changing to outlaw possession of certain weapons even in private.

Knuckle dusters for one.
That was proposed by the home secretary a year ago - not sure how far the proposals gone to date. I dont really need a flicknife indoors whilst I have some big old chefs knives in the kitchen - likewise the knuckleduster which come a poor second to some of the hammers, breaker bars and other tools I readily have access to at home.

Edited by Bigends on Monday 15th April 18:12

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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La Liga said:
You can own any offensive weapon in your house as offensive weapons apply to public places only.
ohhh you are playing fast and loose with the pedantry,some offensive weapons are banned even in your own home

Bigends

5,412 posts

127 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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citizensm1th said:
La Liga said:
You can own any offensive weapon in your house as offensive weapons apply to public places only.
ohhh you are playing fast and loose with the pedantry,some offensive weapons are banned even in your own home
Any weapon other than firearms not legally possessed are fair game to keep in your own home - cant think of anything you couldnt lawfully possess indoors.

Edited by Bigends on Monday 15th April 19:01

ESOG

1,705 posts

157 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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I have nothing of importance to add but i do have a comment. I have read several threads where a crime has been committed but the police take their time getting round to it, or say that they will send someone if they have someone to send.

Is this normal practice in European towns/cities? It seems like some antiquated, under funded/staffed policing that is failing to keep up with the population expanse.

Meanwhile I lived in New York, USA all my life, having grown up in a small town/hamlet and now live 45 min north of NYC. If i call upon the police for anything, especially a possible crime they come immediately no matter how serious or not it really is, within reason of course. And the police station is 12.5 miles from my home and because route 6 is one lane only running the span from just pulling out of my neighborhood all the way to and past the station. I say this because at certain busier times of the day traffic being what it is, i.e. ALWAYS that one dip st, ALWAYS that does pin point 30mph the entire way and when going up a hill doesn't give the car any more gas at all to the point it damn near comes to a halt mid way up.... Annnnd breathe... My point being it some times takes 25-30minutes to go 12.5 miles, so it really kind of is out of the way. Yet they make their way round no matter the call. (Again, within reason)

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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Bigends said:
Any weapon other than firearms not legally possessed are fair game to keep in your own home - cant think of anything you couldnt lawfully possess indoors.

Edited by Bigends on Monday 15th April 19:01
Just how would you justify the knuckleduster sat on your bedside table? you can not make one be given one or buy one or hire one or be lent one. and i doubt you acquired one a 100 years old before the date of the offence.

Brads67

3,199 posts

97 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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citizensm1th said:
Just how would you justify the knuckleduster sat on your bedside table? you can not make one be given one or buy one or hire one or be lent one. and i doubt you acquired one a 100 years old before the date of the offence.
And yet , you don't have to justify it. Not yet anyway.

Bigends

5,412 posts

127 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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citizensm1th said:
Bigends said:
Any weapon other than firearms not legally possessed are fair game to keep in your own home - cant think of anything you couldnt lawfully possess indoors.

Edited by Bigends on Monday 15th April 19:01
Just how would you justify the knuckleduster sat on your bedside table? you can not make one be given one or buy one or hire one or be lent one. and i doubt you acquired one a 100 years old before the date of the offence.
Until the laws been changed i'd order one online or make one.

paulwirral

Original Poster:

3,104 posts

134 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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ED209 said:
I read that as that he tries to open a window? Which would make it an attempt burglary. Before that act mooching around your yard could fit the definition of being found on an enclosed premises for an unlawful purpose.
I did actually ask the cops after the 4th attempt to break in , that time through the window , and the way they explained it was if you catch someone actually in your house and your confident enough to have a go they'd class it as defending yourself , family , property . It's not a green light to tie someone up and torture them gangster style though , reasonable force I'd imagine it would be called ?
Chasing someone down the street and giving him a kicking or beating with a weapon when they've not actually gained access to your house is probably assault of some description on your behalf and there lies the problem . If I , or anyone else , wants to dish out a beating you'll have to do it inside your house , after they've physically broken in .
I'm no warrior but I don't have a problem defending my house , but to be honest I'd rather just scare them off than go hand to hand . Not only is there a risk of injury or even prison time for doing it , you've no real idea who your dishing a kicking to and if it's the wrong person from the wrong family it's likely there'll be a few of them on your doorstep next time .
I'm no law expert , obviously , but I think I got the general point. Hopefully after chasing them 3 times , twice actually seeing them and them seeing me , they'll class me as to much hard work . If they're after my cannondale mountain bike they'll be sorely disappointed when they realise it's almost twenty years old . Maybe they want car keys though , that means entering the house . Let's just hope I've put them off .

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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citizensm1th said:
La Liga said:
You can own any offensive weapon in your house as offensive weapons apply to public places only.
ohhh you are playing fast and loose with the pedantry,some offensive weapons are banned even in your own home
Such as?

citizensm1th said:
Bigends said:
Any weapon other than firearms not legally possessed are fair game to keep in your own home - cant think of anything you couldnt lawfully possess indoors.
Just how would you justify the knuckleduster sat on your bedside table? you can not make one be given one or buy one or hire one or be lent one. and i doubt you acquired one a 100 years old before the date of the offence.
Why would you need to justify it?

Mr Tidy

22,065 posts

126 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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La Liga said:
hy would you need to justify it?
Seems to me you can do what you like these days so long as you don't go past a camera too fast - whole system needs sorting.

But they are busy dealing with ethnically-challenged Labour MPs, etc. laugh

No point reporting anything to the police - they are too busy investigating social media nonsense! Maybe one day they will be allowed to return to the real world - but probably not!

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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I bet all those in the nearly full prisons would disagree with some of that.

ED209

5,740 posts

243 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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Mr Tidy said:
La Liga said:
hy would you need to justify it?
Seems to me you can do what you like these days so long as you don't go past a camera too fast - whole system needs sorting.

But they are busy dealing with ethnically-challenged Labour MPs, etc. laugh

No point reporting anything to the police - they are too busy investigating social media nonsense! Maybe one day they will be allowed to return to the real world - but probably not!
Massive misconception here. Most time at the moment is spent dealing with society’s most vulnerable. Victims of domestic abuse, child sexual exploitation etc, also dealing with the huge volume of calls relating to mental health issues.

Greendubber

13,128 posts

202 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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ED209 said:
Mr Tidy said:
La Liga said:
hy would you need to justify it?
Seems to me you can do what you like these days so long as you don't go past a camera too fast - whole system needs sorting.

But they are busy dealing with ethnically-challenged Labour MPs, etc. laugh

No point reporting anything to the police - they are too busy investigating social media nonsense! Maybe one day they will be allowed to return to the real world - but probably not!
Massive misconception here. Most time at the moment is spent dealing with society’s most vulnerable. Victims of domestic abuse, child sexual exploitation etc, also dealing with the huge volume of calls relating to mental health issues.
Sadly it'ss the usual nonsense that people bleat out on here.

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

175 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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Can you paint some of this on top of the gate/walls, if anything will annoy him and rewin his tracksuit


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