Reporting crimes to the police

Reporting crimes to the police

Author
Discussion

Greendubber

13,129 posts

202 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
quotequote all
Don't bother. You've missed pages and pages of him/her not being able to provide any kind of tangible evidence to the claim other than it being their opinion.


paulwirral

Original Poster:

3,104 posts

134 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
quotequote all
Well back on topic , I've been mooching around the house today doing a little cleaning and sorting and the 54 plate black diesel golf with 2 scrotes in has been up and down the street a couple of times , it's got a pathetic noisy dump valve on that they revved up as almost a threat to me or trying to take the piss .
Cars are parked badly needing both moving to get either out but to be honest I'm sick of trying to put them off , I'm now more interested in catching them now , the cops can't do much , they even admitted there's only a few cop cars available at any given time in the area that is fairly large , night watch beckons !

spaximus

4,230 posts

252 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
quotequote all
Sa Calobra said:
yonex said:
No. The opposite.

The reality is people don't have much faith in the Police. That's because of the results.
I'll bite. The Police have finite resources. Want more? Pay more. Simple.

The results? You can't CSI and crime scene every single crime.

If fingerprints can't be found at a burglary that's because there aren't any. What can the Police do beyond that?

As soon as you lock someone up, they are then released and reoffend within the week. Is that the Police's fault?

Tonight we'll lock up to our capacity. Everytime we lock up it takes upto 10hrs+ of interview and file work for the CPS. That takes instantly 1-2officers off the street immediately.

I've met many respectable working and middle class people who respect the police.

The immature and those who can't stick to the law don't.

Funny that.

I also like cars. Alot. I love driving cars at work. Funny that. So you can imagine it's Abit of a dream job getting to drive cars at work and catch bad people.
I think there are a lot of working class, middle class and upper class who all respect the police however that doesn't mean we should be happy with the service we get or say anything about it.

Is it the fault of those at the sharp end? Once again I suspect many are like me that feel it is not their fault, your example of it taking 10 hours to process a suspect for everyone you arrest is the sort of issue that needs attention.

With speeding, identify the car driver or you take the hit, yet with a burglary you catch them with the goods and because they left no fingerprints at the scene, they are charged with handling only, why not do the same?

When I was burgled, the officers were sound, they did the whole CSI bit but there was no smoking gun. I suggested they look on Ebay or the like, no time for that, yet if it was a £25000 piece of art they would look, why when my total claim was the same value did they not have a civilian doing that?

When I found some of my items on Ebay, the police did make an arrest and then the CPS wanted a quick clear up trying to deal with a caution. It went to court she got a suspended sentence and left the court and was arrested shoplifting in Primark that afternoon.

At least she then got some jail time which would not have happened had it been a caution.

I for one would happily pay more for more beat officers, I would happily get rid of the PCC and take being a chief constable out of the gift of others and make it an elected post where they would have to answer to the public for success or failure.

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
quotequote all
spaximus said:
I think there are a lot of working class, middle class and upper class who all respect the police however that doesn't mean we should be happy with the service we get or say anything about it.

Is it the fault of those at the sharp end? Once again I suspect many are like me that feel it is not their fault, your example of it taking 10 hours to process a suspect for everyone you arrest is the sort of issue that needs attention.

With speeding, identify the car driver or you take the hit, yet with a burglary you catch them with the goods and because they left no fingerprints at the scene, they are charged with handling only, why not do the same?

When I was burgled, the officers were sound, they did the whole CSI bit but there was no smoking gun. I suggested they look on Ebay or the like, no time for that, yet if it was a £25000 piece of art they would look, why when my total claim was the same value did they not have a civilian doing that?

When I found some of my items on Ebay, the police did make an arrest and then the CPS wanted a quick clear up trying to deal with a caution. It went to court she got a suspended sentence and left the court and was arrested shoplifting in Primark that afternoon.

At least she then got some jail time which would not have happened had it been a caution.

I for one would happily pay more for more beat officers, I would happily get rid of the PCC and take being a chief constable out of the gift of others and make it an elected post where they would have to answer to the public for success or failure.
None of that will happen naturally. What would be helpful would be aiming the bile and vitriol which is constantly aimed at frontline officers trying to do a good job in increasingly difficult circs at those actually responsible for much of the difficulty. Instead we get the tabloids shoving officers into the firing line for daring to take a break to take on sustenance, with a large section of the general public then lining up to add insult to injury. What would also be helpful is everyone who has a vested interest in more officers being available to prevent and/or investigate crime to FILL MPs' surgeries the length and breadth of the land over and over again until those public servants do as they are required.

spaximus

4,230 posts

252 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
quotequote all
Pothole said:
spaximus said:
I think there are a lot of working class, middle class and upper class who all respect the police however that doesn't mean we should be happy with the service we get or say anything about it.

Is it the fault of those at the sharp end? Once again I suspect many are like me that feel it is not their fault, your example of it taking 10 hours to process a suspect for everyone you arrest is the sort of issue that needs attention.

With speeding, identify the car driver or you take the hit, yet with a burglary you catch them with the goods and because they left no fingerprints at the scene, they are charged with handling only, why not do the same?

When I was burgled, the officers were sound, they did the whole CSI bit but there was no smoking gun. I suggested they look on Ebay or the like, no time for that, yet if it was a £25000 piece of art they would look, why when my total claim was the same value did they not have a civilian doing that?

When I found some of my items on Ebay, the police did make an arrest and then the CPS wanted a quick clear up trying to deal with a caution. It went to court she got a suspended sentence and left the court and was arrested shoplifting in Primark that afternoon.

At least she then got some jail time which would not have happened had it been a caution.

I for one would happily pay more for more beat officers, I would happily get rid of the PCC and take being a chief constable out of the gift of others and make it an elected post where they would have to answer to the public for success or failure.
None of that will happen naturally. What would be helpful would be aiming the bile and vitriol which is constantly aimed at frontline officers trying to do a good job in increasingly difficult circs at those actually responsible for much of the difficulty. Instead we get the tabloids shoving officers into the firing line for daring to take a break to take on sustenance, with a large section of the general public then lining up to add insult to injury. What would also be helpful is everyone who has a vested interest in more officers being available to prevent and/or investigate crime to FILL MPs' surgeries the length and breadth of the land over and over again until those public servants do as they are required.
I am one of those who does get involved with my MP and I have never aimed bile or vitriol at any of the frontline officers. My local MP is always listening to interest groups who are very vocal at getting his attention. The one that gets the most time are people who want speed limits reduced outside their home, on a main road. They are very good a whipping up regular contact using all the tools that are suggested by the safety lobby filling up his surgery.

Tabloids will always use the police to sell papers, good coppers are heroes, for a day or so, then it is back to usual blame the police for rampant knife crime, gun crime, antisocial behaviour, when as you say the majority do try their best.

Very few people actually have any contact with the police until they need help and then, due to all the reasons most sane people will agree, when they do need it very often the reality of what they expect and what can be delivered is poles apart.

Of course they will make assumptions if they see a police car in the queue at McDonalds, but everyone is entitle to eat and drink .

The thing that is a concern to me is in the news today, moped crime was seen as a target to hit, now 10 officers appear to be heading for a court as the scrotes being knocked off are now claiming injury etc and officers, having been told to do it, are now being investigated by the complaints bureau, if the police are not supported to do the job, we will see more vigilante action as the public takes the law into their own hands.

Sa Calobra

37,011 posts

210 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
spaximus said:
I think there are a lot of working class, middle class and upper class who all respect the police however that doesn't mean we should be happy with the service we get or say anything about it.

Is it the fault of those at the sharp end? Once again I suspect many are like me that feel it is not their fault, your example of it taking 10 hours to process a suspect for everyone you arrest is the sort of issue that needs attention.

With speeding, identify the car driver or you take the hit, yet with a burglary you catch them with the goods and because they left no fingerprints at the scene, they are charged with handling only, why not do the same?

When I was burgled, the officers were sound, they did the whole CSI bit but there was no smoking gun. I suggested they look on Ebay or the like, no time for that, yet if it was a £25000 piece of art they would look, why when my total claim was the same value did they not have a civilian doing that?

When I found some of my items on Ebay, the police did make an arrest and then the CPS wanted a quick clear up trying to deal with a caution. It went to court she got a suspended sentence and left the court and was arrested shoplifting in Primark that afternoon.

At least she then got some jail time which would not have happened had it been a caution.

I for one would happily pay more for more beat officers, I would happily get rid of the PCC and take being a chief constable out of the gift of others and make it an elected post where they would have to answer to the public for success or failure.
The problem is we are at the mercy of what the CPS decides.

Interms of handling stolen goods and burglary. Both attract the same tarrifs (14yrs either way/6 months summary).

We can't sit on eBay. We'd never leave the station.

V8RX7

26,766 posts

262 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
spaximus said:
.

Very few people actually have any contact with the police until they need help and then, due to all the reasons most sane people will agree, when they do need it very often the reality of what they expect and what can be delivered is poles apart.

The thing that is a concern to me is in the news today, moped crime was seen as a target to hit, now 10 officers appear to be heading for a court as the scrotes being knocked off are now claiming injury etc and officers, having been told to do it, are now being investigated by the complaints bureau, if the police are not supported to do the job, we will see more vigilante action as the public takes the law into their own hands.
^^^This

The only contact I and the majority of people have with the Police is when I am presumed guilty for any road infraction and then when my stolen goods appear in someone's house - no action is taken as they are all presumed innocent.

Whilst I'll agree the Police may be as frustrated with the second scenario they seem to relish the first.

Perhaps if they refused to do the first until they receive the backing to do the second then I'd have some sympathy.

We wish to be treated equally.

If laws / systems need changing then why aren't the Police pushing for those changes ?

You only need to see the comments to see 99% support the Police regarding ramming Scooter scum so how do we support them ?

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

116 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
BrettMRC said:
Get a decent referee's whistle.

Sounds daft, but blowing that through an open window makes a hell of a racket and isn't just ignored like house alarms, car alarms etc.

As with the very bright, motion activated lights mentioned previously, it works by drawing a lot of attention to the scrote(s) - something they seem to try and avoid.

Its also easy to keep next to the bed.

Not suggesting you try and dominate the stairs with one though.
I recommend the Acme Thunderer

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=acme+thunderer&ad...

ED209

5,740 posts

243 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
spaximus said:
I think there are a lot of working class, middle class and upper class who all respect the police however that doesn't mean we should be happy with the service we get or say anything about it.

Is it the fault of those at the sharp end? Once again I suspect many are like me that feel it is not their fault, your example of it taking 10 hours to process a suspect for everyone you arrest is the sort of issue that needs attention.

With speeding, identify the car driver or you take the hit, yet with a burglary you catch them with the goods and because they left no fingerprints at the scene, they are charged with handling only, why not do the same?

When I was burgled, the officers were sound, they did the whole CSI bit but there was no smoking gun. I suggested they look on Ebay or the like, no time for that, yet if it was a £25000 piece of art they would look, why when my total claim was the same value did they not have a civilian doing that?

When I found some of my items on Ebay, the police did make an arrest and then the CPS wanted a quick clear up trying to deal with a caution. It went to court she got a suspended sentence and left the court and was arrested shoplifting in Primark that afternoon.

At least she then got some jail time which would not have happened had it been a caution.

I for one would happily pay more for more beat officers, I would happily get rid of the PCC and take being a chief constable out of the gift of others and make it an elected post where they would have to answer to the public for success or failure.
Re the civilian issue. Maybe a civilian doesn’t do it because the numbers of civilian staff have been cut even more drastically than the numbers of warranted officers.

spaximus

4,230 posts

252 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
ED209 said:
spaximus said:
I think there are a lot of working class, middle class and upper class who all respect the police however that doesn't mean we should be happy with the service we get or say anything about it.

Is it the fault of those at the sharp end? Once again I suspect many are like me that feel it is not their fault, your example of it taking 10 hours to process a suspect for everyone you arrest is the sort of issue that needs attention.

With speeding, identify the car driver or you take the hit, yet with a burglary you catch them with the goods and because they left no fingerprints at the scene, they are charged with handling only, why not do the same?

When I was burgled, the officers were sound, they did the whole CSI bit but there was no smoking gun. I suggested they look on Ebay or the like, no time for that, yet if it was a £25000 piece of art they would look, why when my total claim was the same value did they not have a civilian doing that?

When I found some of my items on Ebay, the police did make an arrest and then the CPS wanted a quick clear up trying to deal with a caution. It went to court she got a suspended sentence and left the court and was arrested shoplifting in Primark that afternoon.

At least she then got some jail time which would not have happened had it been a caution.

I for one would happily pay more for more beat officers, I would happily get rid of the PCC and take being a chief constable out of the gift of others and make it an elected post where they would have to answer to the public for success or failure.
Re the civilian issue. Maybe a civilian doesn’t do it because the numbers of civilian staff have been cut even more drastically than the numbers of warranted officers.
You may be correct but unless we complain nothing will ever change, but when others complain it appears officers take it as a direct slur on them as individuals. Sitting on Ebay might just lead to the arrest or a prolific burglar so worthwhile to all those who suffer with a burglary so one could argue that is a good thing to do.

Over the years I have had three cars stolen, several broken into and my home burgled and I live in a nice area and the response has varied. When my XR2 was stolen, one officer said "what did I expect having a car like that". When the Orion went the officer was the opposite, he couldn't understand why they just give out a crime number because we are insured. Well banks are but if someone stole £10k from there they wouldn't just get a crime number.

The police on the beat cannot win if they are working with hands tied behind their backs by various dictates but attacking the public for daring to question the response and priorities followed is not going to help.

Sa Calobra

37,011 posts

210 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
Response officer can't access Facebook, eBay etc. It has to go to a specialist officer.

No I'm serious.

Regular response officers are pulled left and right and are slaves to the current job queues and 999 calls. There is just no time to commit to actual proper investigation all of the time.


Like the NHS Frontline we are very thinly spread. Manchester has 5,000 front line officers for 2.5million people. About a third of those are on duty at anyone time so that's say 1,500 cops. If it all kicks off like the 2012 riots ALOT of those officers can't deploy to riot duties.
When the government says they've found 10,000 officers to deal with Brexit disorder that's like me telling you your weekends are cancelled and you are working 7 days 12hrs+ with no food or breaks.

A regular response officer normally can go 12hrs without food or rest, running, driving fast and struggling with people.

It's heartbreaking knowing that crooks get away with crime. Believe me but over time the job breaks even the best police officer. Many can and do pass away not long after retirement in their 50's frown



Red 4

10,744 posts

186 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
Sa Calobra said:
Manchester has 5,000 front line officers for 2.5million people. About a third of those are on duty at anyone time so that's say 1,500 cops.
You may wish to check your duty rosters and maths.

No chance GMP will have 1500 officers on duty ( and available for deployment ) at any one time.

It will be much, much less.

Greendubber

13,129 posts

202 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
Red 4 said:
You may wish to check your duty rosters and maths.

No chance GMP will have 1500 officers on duty ( and available for deployment ) at any one time.

It will be much, much less.
I'd say it'll be more like 600ish.

Red 4

10,744 posts

186 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
Greendubber said:
Red 4 said:
You may wish to check your duty rosters and maths.

No chance GMP will have 1500 officers on duty ( and available for deployment ) at any one time.

It will be much, much less.
I'd say it'll be more like 600ish.
I concur with your back of a fag packet calculation smile

On a good day.

Sa Calobra

37,011 posts

210 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
Good point. Outside the city centre it can be 10-15 on one division at anyone time over say 40sq miles.

Then you get some people reporting crimes that many people wouldn't dream of reporting but expect equal investigation to someone who has had their belongings stolen.

Red 4

10,744 posts

186 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
Sa Calobra said:
Good point. Outside the city centre it can be 10-15 on one division at anyone time over say 40sq miles.

Then you get some people reporting crimes that many people wouldn't dream of reporting but expect equal investigation to someone who has had their belongings stolen.
... Rule of thumb.

There will ( probably) be more people working in McDonalds in any given area than there are cops on duty. smile

Sa Calobra

37,011 posts

210 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
Red 4 said:
... Rule of thumb.

There will ( probably) be more people working in McDonalds in any given area than there are cops on duty. smile
Yet we see police cars driving everywhere...

I recently thought I hadn't seen many Citroen 2CVs recently. Guess what I've seen a fair few of now..

V8RX7

26,766 posts

262 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
Sa Calobra said:
Yet we see police cars driving everywhere...
I don't

Quite the opposite - I couldn't tell you the last time I saw one

ElectricPics

761 posts

80 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
Red 4 said:
... Rule of thumb.

There will ( probably) be more people working in McDonalds in any given area than there are cops on duty. smile
A couple of weeks ago I'm reliably informed Newcastle city centre only had five 24/7 cops on nights. By contrast I'd say the two large McDonalds would have at least ten each.

Sa Calobra

37,011 posts

210 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
quotequote all
ElectricPics said:
A couple of weeks ago I'm reliably informed Newcastle city centre only had five 24/7 cops on nights. By contrast I'd say the two large McDonalds would have at least ten each.
Three of my colleagues were tied up for hours. I was the only one going on blue lights to jobs.