Attacked by security guard - police blaming me!
Discussion
I too am impressed by the update and how MR has kept his head in this thread. I thought at the outset that going to court was a risky idea.
However, I have no real idea of the rights and wrongs of the case, but overall I'm sorry you lost as it was seemingly a daft spat that didn't need to go anywhere near this far.
Bert
However, I have no real idea of the rights and wrongs of the case, but overall I'm sorry you lost as it was seemingly a daft spat that didn't need to go anywhere near this far.
Bert
I will happily contribute to a crowdfunding page. I am sure MR has been told to 'move on' etc but if an injustice has been done then it becomes a matter of principal for him and the SG needs to realise his error. MR, set up a page and at the very least you might recover enough to pay some of the bills (not the ill prepared solicitor).
MR thanks for the update and sorry that it ended the way it did.
Life is a long banana skin, it is not how you slip up but how you pick yourself up after that counts (Brian ricks). My advice is put it behind yourself and move on.
I have learnt a lot from your post, I always think of you at the fast check out and take a receipt. I have 3 times in the last year come up against unnecessarily stroppy "officials" and tempered my temper to avoid escalating things.
You have my respect
Life is a long banana skin, it is not how you slip up but how you pick yourself up after that counts (Brian ricks). My advice is put it behind yourself and move on.
I have learnt a lot from your post, I always think of you at the fast check out and take a receipt. I have 3 times in the last year come up against unnecessarily stroppy "officials" and tempered my temper to avoid escalating things.
You have my respect
Thanks Milky for sticking with us.
I’ve always thought that grounds for appeal have to be based on a legal issue with the conduct of the proceedings, not just that you disagree with the outcome (?) Otherwise the courts would be clogged up with dissatisfied customers. Also I don’t see how you can start proceedings against your representative because you lost, surely that would just end up with a maelstrom of folk talking action against their chosen representative for a lack of result, and any such thing would be covered off in their fee proposal(?)
I’ve always thought that grounds for appeal have to be based on a legal issue with the conduct of the proceedings, not just that you disagree with the outcome (?) Otherwise the courts would be clogged up with dissatisfied customers. Also I don’t see how you can start proceedings against your representative because you lost, surely that would just end up with a maelstrom of folk talking action against their chosen representative for a lack of result, and any such thing would be covered off in their fee proposal(?)
If I was the op I would take a lot from this situation. The fact is whatever way you look at it he was found guilty in court and needs to reajust his attitude to others. As the sg, independent witness,the police, the mags have all come to the same conclusion. It is not some conspiracy.
janesmith1950 said:
I'd always exercise caution when you only have one side of a story. Courts are full of convicted criminals who were 'stitched up/let down by lawyers'.
The OP has acted with dignity on here, however by his account of events he's the author of his own misfortune.
100%.The OP has acted with dignity on here, however by his account of events he's the author of his own misfortune.
His one and only mistake, was in thinking that he was above answering the questions of a security guard, due to (??) emotion.
Everything else fell apart from that point in time.
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garyhun said:
MYOB said:
Why are some of you making an issue of printing receipts following the events in this thread?
Baffles me too.
etc etcmilkround said:
Well I'm not overly convinced that I have any say in this. The police officer said on the phone that either I sign an apology letter or I'll be going to court for sure. Her words not mine. But I'll play along anyway.
In an ideal world we would both be told to stop acting like fools - I'd be told to always get a receipt and have it handy, and hed be told to not put his hands on anyone unless he was 100% sure they'd done something wrong. Perhaps we both give a hundred quid to charity. But I cant see that happening at all.
Now... whilst I accept I am complicit in all of this. I'm not sure I am willing to take the blame. By the officers own words the 'punch' looked like an instinctive reaction after I'd gotten up from being knocked down. This was after I'd been trying to retreat. How can I say I'm sorry and I'd never do it again when I never set out to do it in the first place?
I'm not really interested in an apology from him either. Or any form of compo. I'd rather just forget about it.
Credit to you Milkround for updating this thread, considering the negative result.In an ideal world we would both be told to stop acting like fools - I'd be told to always get a receipt and have it handy, and hed be told to not put his hands on anyone unless he was 100% sure they'd done something wrong. Perhaps we both give a hundred quid to charity. But I cant see that happening at all.
Now... whilst I accept I am complicit in all of this. I'm not sure I am willing to take the blame. By the officers own words the 'punch' looked like an instinctive reaction after I'd gotten up from being knocked down. This was after I'd been trying to retreat. How can I say I'm sorry and I'd never do it again when I never set out to do it in the first place?
I'm not really interested in an apology from him either. Or any form of compo. I'd rather just forget about it.
In hindsight, given what's happened, do you think you would have been better to go down the restorative justice route offered at the start by the female PC?
Terzo123 said:
Credit to you Milkround for updating this thread, considering the negative result.
In hindsight, given what's happened, do you think you would have been better to go down the restorative justice route offered at the start by the female PC?
20/20 hindsight yes. For sure. In hindsight, given what's happened, do you think you would have been better to go down the restorative justice route offered at the start by the female PC?
But if I'd won yesterday I'd have felt absolutely the opposite. So it all depends.
I still know for sure I never punched the bloke. I am absolutely certain of that. I also know he pushed me repeatedly and did kick me. That is clear on the CCTV. The mags disagreed and that was all that mattered yesterday.
I didn't realise how the system worked until yesterday. The CPS prosecutor said repeatedly in her closing speech 'the Police decided to charge Mr Milkround after looking into this'. Surely it doesn't matter what the Police decided and it's the courts job to decide guilt. I never thought the solicitor who turned up wouldn't know about the case or have the evidence. We didn't even have the receipt as I'd stupidly let the other solicitor keep it who couldn't turn up. I explained to the prosecutor under cross examination you could see the time on the receipt and the time I left the store... She said she'd never seen the receipt and my solicitor couldn't even offer it as evidence.
I made my choices and will live with them. People will wake up to hear their loved ones are dead etc. I just lost a case after chosing to fight something because I didn't want to say I did something I didn't do.
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