Attacked by security guard - police blaming me!
Discussion
pavarotti1980 said:
Red 4 said:
I've got an advert for a Kia.
A Kia is very far removed from anything that I own/ have owned/ am likely to own/ have an interest in.
I am more likely to vote Conservative than buy a Kia (both are exemely unlikely).
It is not an algorithm, it is subliminal message. Pavarotti will put an X in that box whether he likes it or not.
Too late. That boat has already sailed (metaphorically) in the post. A Kia is very far removed from anything that I own/ have owned/ am likely to own/ have an interest in.
I am more likely to vote Conservative than buy a Kia (both are exemely unlikely).
It is not an algorithm, it is subliminal message. Pavarotti will put an X in that box whether he likes it or not.
It was a tough choice of either Labour or this f
king lunatic https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/person/34907/lisabela...
Well done for leaving your mark in her box, so to speak.
yellowjack said:
I've found out that I'm guilty of shoplifting! What should I do?
I went to a store called Decathlon. I "bought" several items. Some rather fetching Lycra tights for winter cycling, a gear cassette for my mountain bike, and some brake pads for my "gravel bike". The store operates entirely by RFID price stickers, not bar codes. The instruction at the (unmanned) tills is to put your items into a great big basket thing, which evidently "reads" the RFID chip in the price label. It may also "wipe" the label to allow goods to be taken out of the door without the alarm going off, I'm not sure how clever the tech is.
Anyway. That was a week and a half ago. Fast forward to today and I find that I've bought one-piece brake pads when what I needed were slide-in "refills" for the pad carriers already fitted to the bike. They're all still packaged and fit for re-sale so I dig out the receipt and I've found that the till system has only "read" and charged me for one item, not it's identical twin. It's not much in monetary terms, just £2.99. I'd spend more on bus fare to go back and pay for them (like an honest chap should). But it shows how easy it is to accidentally take away an item without paying for it. And it also demonstrates why it is folly for stores to automate the check-out process entirely, as I was using the system as instructed, and in good faith.
I also wonder if I've inadvertently done this before, too. Many things for bicycles are bought in pairs. Brake pads, tyres, tubes, etc. Have I done this before without knowing it? I could be a serial shoplifter and not know it. I'm afraid to answer the door now, for fear of being arrested!
Oh, and this is my first visit to this thread in ages, so I'm not aware of how things turned out for the OP. It was like wading through treacle trying to read this thread at times, so I abandoned it, and only came back today because I saw Breadvan72 as the "last poster" and thought there might be something sensible to read for a change.
Thesprucegoose said:
Breadvan72 said:
When in a hole, do not send for a bigger spade You misrepresented what I said and if you had any decency you would apologise. No one here is either fancy or important, AFAIK, and we all live in the world, although normality seems to have exited some time ago.
Anyway i hope you can help the OP out as you are the real expert hereEdited by Thesprucegoose on Wednesday 11th December 16:25
kestral said:
milkround said:
The SG admitted under oath he never called the Police. He was not going to call the Police. They only found out because some officers came in to buy some food and were told about it from another member of staff.
.Dare I ask
I will lead rather than ask. "And your solicitor did cross- examine the SG in depth as to why he did not wish to make a complaint about being assaulted did he not"?
Please say yes.
garyhun said:
I know I'll never get into such a situation because I always act calm when I know I've nothing to hide, irrespective of whether the other person requests or demands something.
I don't think that is a realistic statement to make - things can go against you in unexpected ways. An abbreviated tale.... A friend and I many years ago riding our pedal bikes along a congested road approaching a roundabout at about 3mph in the line of traffic 2 abreast and intending to go via 2nd exit - riding 2 abreast for 'security' to prevent a car coming alongside and turning left. The traffic was literally that slow a pedestrian was walking quicker. Plod came behind in Jam Sandwich (I said many years ago!) and said over his PA system for us to ride single file. We did this. 8 miles further on we turned onto another road (very little traffic) and rode 2 abreast. After another mile plod came behind us, told us to pull over and read us the riot act, said he'd arrest us for 2 abreast riding (we calmly pointed out not an offence), so he said he'd arrest us for disobeying him (we pointed out we did obey him, this was 1/2 hour later on a different bit of road). He then became VERY abusive, calling us idiots and saying there were 'drivers out there who'd been drinking and we could be knocked off'. We kept calm and didn't ask him why he didn't go and arrest them, but we genuinely thought he was going to get physical! he took our details, and we heard no more, but it could so easily have been us in Milkrounds' position.
Vonhosen, I am talking about the change from citizens in uniform to authoritarian agents of the State. All recent governments (Tory and Labour) have been authoritarian, and the police have become more authoritarian along with Government. The attitude displayed by many police officers to citizens has become that of authoritarian agents.
Edited because of name error.
Edited because of name error.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 11th December 16:59
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 11th December 22:16
MYOB said:
Thesprucegoose said:
Breadvan72 said:
When in a hole, do not send for a bigger spade You misrepresented what I said and if you had any decency you would apologise. No one here is either fancy or important, AFAIK, and we all live in the world, although normality seems to have exited some time ago.
Anyway i hope you can help the OP out as you are the real expert hereEdited by Thesprucegoose on Wednesday 11th December 16:25
Breadvan72 said:
PractiSe! Verb s, noun c. I am mainly a civil lawyer. I have taught criminal law to undergraduates. I have also done proceeds of crime cases and parole board cases in the criminal courts. I cannot be an expert on anything, as experts were abolished in 2016.
Aha, so you do have some experience of criminal law. Sorry you were abolished in 2016.MYOB said:
Aha, so you do have some experience of criminal law. Sorry you were abolished in 2016.
Bread'van' will soon be behind the times in this age of technological advance. Goods will soon be delivered door to door by air, though I fear a change to 'Breaddrone' would be an unfortunate moving with the times for our learned gentleman. Breadvan72 said:
Mandalore, GFYS. I am not a criminal lawyer. It is possible to hold opinions that have no bearing on the job that you do, and in respect of which you have no financial interest. Many on PH struggle with these concepts.
Based on your extensive experience , what is the best way to achieve the suggested goal?Do you do Pro Bono?
Mandalore said:
Breadvan72 said:
Mandalore, GFYS. I am not a criminal lawyer. It is possible to hold opinions that have no bearing on the job that you do, and in respect of which you have no financial interest. Many on PH struggle with these concepts.
Based on your extensive experience , what is the best way to achieve the suggested goal?Do you do Pro Bono?
Breadvan72 said:
Vonuber, I am talking about the change from citizens in uniform to authoritarian agents of the State. All recent governments (Tory and Labour) have been authoritarian, and the police have become more authoritarian along with Government. The attitude displayed by many police officers to citizens has become that of authoritarian agents.
Separation of Powers. The police are part of the Executive and do the policing bit. The Courts and Judges are part of the Judiciary and do the judging bit.If plod spent less time being judgmental they'd have more time for policing. Plod being less judgmental would also fit with that impartiality thing mentioned on the Constables Oath.
MPs, the Legislature, pass laws. They're supposed to be separate from the Executive, that includes the police, and the Judiciary.
It's one of those checks and balances type things, where maintaining independence helps ensure things work properly and keeps things in check.
Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 11th December 20:24
Fastpedeller said:
garyhun said:
I know I'll never get into such a situation because I always act calm when I know I've nothing to hide, irrespective of whether the other person requests or demands something.
I don't think that is a realistic statement to make - things can go against you in unexpected ways. An abbreviated tale.... A friend and I many years ago riding our pedal bikes along a congested road approaching a roundabout at about 3mph in the line of traffic 2 abreast and intending to go via 2nd exit - riding 2 abreast for 'security' to prevent a car coming alongside and turning left. The traffic was literally that slow a pedestrian was walking quicker. Plod came behind in Jam Sandwich (I said many years ago!) and said over his PA system for us to ride single file. We did this. 8 miles further on we turned onto another road (very little traffic) and rode 2 abreast. After another mile plod came behind us, told us to pull over and read us the riot act, said he'd arrest us for 2 abreast riding (we calmly pointed out not an offence), so he said he'd arrest us for disobeying him (we pointed out we did obey him, this was 1/2 hour later on a different bit of road). He then became VERY abusive, calling us idiots and saying there were 'drivers out there who'd been drinking and we could be knocked off'. We kept calm and didn't ask him why he didn't go and arrest them, but we genuinely thought he was going to get physical! he took our details, and we heard no more, but it could so easily have been us in Milkrounds' position.
You stayed calm and all was well.
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