Attacked by security guard - police blaming me!
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Mojooo said:
What have the supermarket said about giving you the CCTV footage direct?
Not a lot mate. They have simply said they are not looking into my complaint and will leave it with the police to deal with. I have sent the form along with a copy of my ID's etc which they demand. I'm sure I'll get it at some point. Gary C said:
ritch said:
One thing I don't get is why a security guard on minimum wage or certainly low paid, would be putting their safety on the line and engaging in aggressive or violent physical contact.
Because thats why some want to do it.Not able to get into the police but want to feel like a big boy and throw their weight about.
Some, certainly not all, or even most.
It’s a shame we don’t have the whole story to avoid people creating half arsed theories about all security guards being called Gary.
milkround said:
Seight_Returns said:
What time is your interview tomorrow OP ?
6pm. I'm having a good feed tonight. It might be my last night as a free man for a while. One thing I don’t think anyone has mentioned is that your partner should make a written note about what she remembers of the incident, in as much factual detail as possible, add the date and keep it safe (if she hasn’t done this already). She shouldn’t make it with input from you, it should be her account and hers only.
In the event CPS ask for a witness statement from her, it can be based on her notes. If asked to surrender the notes, make sure she has a copy - ideally, get a copy beforehand anyway. Ideally, the notes should have been made at the time/as soon as possible after the incident, but even now, better to do it today than 4 or 8 or 12 weeks (or months) down the line.
Ignore the posters on here saying “Go no comment, all the way”, listen to the advice from your solicitor at the Police station (which may be the same, but better he or she says it, in possession of disclosure, rather than some random internet “experts”, in which I include myself).
milkround said:
Mojooo said:
What have the supermarket said about giving you the CCTV footage direct?
Not a lot mate. They have simply said they are not looking into my complaint and will leave it with the police to deal with. I have sent the form along with a copy of my ID's etc which they demand. I'm sure I'll get it at some point. Dibble said:
Ignore the posters on here saying “Go no comment, all the way”, listen to the advice from your solicitor at the Police station (which may be the same, but better he or she says it, in possession of disclosure, rather than some random internet “experts”, in which I include myself).
Absolutely the best piece of advice in this whole discussion. Your legal representative will have dealt with this sort of thing before and knows how it works; you don't. Listen to what they say, do what they suggest and no more. You'd be amazed at the number of people who, against legal advice, pour out all sorts of stuff to the police.Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this situation, you are now looking to defend your position. The police officers who conducts the interview are NOT your friends in this instance; give them an opportunity to charge you and they very well might. There's nothing personal in this, but if you say something they are duty bound to react to, don't be surprised if that's what they do.
Edited to say: and good luck.
Dibble said:
It really won’t. You’ll be interviewed and that’ll be it for a while. The officer should get all the evidence together (cctv, statements, interview and anything else there is) and submit it to CPS, who will make a decision on the disposal, eventually. Once the interview is sorted tonight, it can take months for the file to be submitted (it shouldn’t, ideally) and more months for the CPS to review the evidence and make a decision (it shouldn’t, really).
One thing I don’t think anyone has mentioned is that your partner should make a written note about what she remembers of the incident, in as much factual detail as possible, add the date and keep it safe (if she hasn’t done this already). She shouldn’t make it with input from you, it should be her account and hers only.
In the event CPS ask for a witness statement from her, it can be based on her notes. If asked to surrender the notes, make sure she has a copy - ideally, get a copy beforehand anyway. Ideally, the notes should have been made at the time/as soon as possible after the incident, but even now, better to do it today than 4 or 8 or 12 weeks (or months) down the line.
Ignore the posters on here saying “Go no comment, all the way”, listen to the advice from your solicitor at the Police station (which may be the same, but better he or she says it, in possession of disclosure, rather than some random internet “experts”, in which I include myself).
Thank you for your advice. I really appreciate it. One thing I don’t think anyone has mentioned is that your partner should make a written note about what she remembers of the incident, in as much factual detail as possible, add the date and keep it safe (if she hasn’t done this already). She shouldn’t make it with input from you, it should be her account and hers only.
In the event CPS ask for a witness statement from her, it can be based on her notes. If asked to surrender the notes, make sure she has a copy - ideally, get a copy beforehand anyway. Ideally, the notes should have been made at the time/as soon as possible after the incident, but even now, better to do it today than 4 or 8 or 12 weeks (or months) down the line.
Ignore the posters on here saying “Go no comment, all the way”, listen to the advice from your solicitor at the Police station (which may be the same, but better he or she says it, in possession of disclosure, rather than some random internet “experts”, in which I include myself).
I'll ask her to write down everything that she remembers. I won't be having an input. I might be silly - but if our memories were identical I'd be more sceptical about that than anything else. But I'm no expert. I don't get why the Police lady didn't say that. In fact, she said what she saw/witnessed was irrelevant and would not be of any use. She just told me 'you need to get me an independent witness' which obviously I cannot do. But thanks for pointing out my partner should write her side down before she forgets too much more.
I'll do as the Solicitor advises. With a bit of luck this time tomorrow I can forget about all of this. It lingering for months doesn't sound great. But at in less than 12 hours time I'll have given my side officially and will not be able to do a lot more.
Greendubber said:
Im pretty sure a low level assault allegation could be dealt with by a Sgt and doesn't need to end up in the mire that is the CPS.
It might well be wrapped up tomorrow.
Or today even It might well be wrapped up tomorrow.
I wouldn't do a voluntary interview at 6PM on a friday, that's just asking to be banged up over the weekend if things went badly!
Cyberprog said:
Greendubber said:
Im pretty sure a low level assault allegation could be dealt with by a Sgt and doesn't need to end up in the mire that is the CPS.
It might well be wrapped up tomorrow.
Or today even It might well be wrapped up tomorrow.
I wouldn't do a voluntary interview at 6PM on a friday, that's just asking to be banged up over the weekend if things went badly!
Perhaps the OP could declare he would hide in an embassy for a few months.
Cyberprog said:
Greendubber said:
Im pretty sure a low level assault allegation could be dealt with by a Sgt and doesn't need to end up in the mire that is the CPS.
It might well be wrapped up tomorrow.
Or today even It might well be wrapped up tomorrow.
I wouldn't do a voluntary interview at 6PM on a friday, that's just asking to be banged up over the weekend if things went badly!
Cyberprog said:
I wouldn't do a voluntary interview at 6PM on a friday, that's just asking to be banged up over the weekend if things went badly!
Serious offence ? Nope.Offence committed whilst on bail ? Nope.
Risk of absconding ? Nope.
BOTP ? Nope.
Etc, etc ...
Why do you think the op would be remanded over the weekend ?
Clue; it will never happen (even if the op is charged which is unclear at this stage).
Edited by Red 4 on Thursday 25th April 13:14
Greendubber said:
Cyberprog said:
Greendubber said:
Im pretty sure a low level assault allegation could be dealt with by a Sgt and doesn't need to end up in the mire that is the CPS.
It might well be wrapped up tomorrow.
Or today even It might well be wrapped up tomorrow.
I wouldn't do a voluntary interview at 6PM on a friday, that's just asking to be banged up over the weekend if things went badly!
garyhun said:
Greendubber said:
Cyberprog said:
Greendubber said:
Im pretty sure a low level assault allegation could be dealt with by a Sgt and doesn't need to end up in the mire that is the CPS.
It might well be wrapped up tomorrow.
Or today even It might well be wrapped up tomorrow.
I wouldn't do a voluntary interview at 6PM on a friday, that's just asking to be banged up over the weekend if things went badly!
Greendubber said:
Im pretty sure a low level assault allegation could be dealt with by a Sgt and doesn't need to end up in the mire that is the CPS.
It might well be wrapped up tomorrow.
Assuming I will be charged (which I hope I am not as I truly don't think I attacked anyone). It depends what they charge me with surely. At this point all she has talked about is a 'punch' but for all I know I'll rock up and be told she is charging me for theft as well. I'm not sure what they will say I stole. I'm taking a photocopy of the till receipt to prove I stole nothing. It might well be wrapped up tomorrow.
And if she is saying that I attacked him and he was doing a lawful arrest (but she hasn't said that) then the charge should be assault with intent to resist arrest. Which carried up to two years in prison. I can't see how she could say he was acting lawfully a charge me with normal assault. But as I've proven throughout I am far from an expert in all these things.
I wish I could claim I'm super cool about all this. But I'm a little bit worried by it all really. I'm looking forward to fully telling my side of the story and seeing this elusive CCTV. I've taken the day off work and done the first service on my motorbike. It will be a huge relief when all this is over and done with. I'm excited to just go back to my normal none criminal life. Was up until 5am as I couldn't sleep.
Either way guys/girls. Thanks all to those who have given me some advice. Not least the police officers and former police officers. I am still totally clueless but not as totally clueless as I was before.
I will post back once I'm home. With a bit of luck this monster thread can be put to bed asap. And I can start using this forum to ask mundane things about car maintenance/tools.
I will post back once I'm home. With a bit of luck this monster thread can be put to bed asap. And I can start using this forum to ask mundane things about car maintenance/tools.
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