Attacked by security guard - police blaming me!
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Can you can you actually state some facts about this interview?
Lets have some facts about what your solicitor actually said to you.
Was it tape recorded?
Did you admit you punched or struck the security guard?
Did you state the words which in your opinion were homophobic?
How many police officers were present at this interview?
Were you cautioned before the interview?
Were you arrested or told you were not under arrest and can leave at anytime you chose?
How is it you cannot remember the address you are moving to?
Was there any documentation given to you at anytime by the police?
Lets have some facts about what your solicitor actually said to you.
Was it tape recorded?
Did you admit you punched or struck the security guard?
Did you state the words which in your opinion were homophobic?
How many police officers were present at this interview?
Were you cautioned before the interview?
Were you arrested or told you were not under arrest and can leave at anytime you chose?
How is it you cannot remember the address you are moving to?
Was there any documentation given to you at anytime by the police?
Well what an interesting thread, best of luck op
I don't get those automated tils personally, even more than I dislike stores like Tesco.
They can continue to employ til operators so I don't have to deal with this kind of bullst, thanks.
You don't pay me or discount shopping for me to want to serve myself. Cheap st bds
I don't get those automated tils personally, even more than I dislike stores like Tesco.
They can continue to employ til operators so I don't have to deal with this kind of bullst, thanks.
You don't pay me or discount shopping for me to want to serve myself. Cheap st bds
kestral said:
Can you can you actually state some facts about this interview?
Lets have some facts about what your solicitor actually said to you.
Was it tape recorded?
Did you admit you punched or struck the security guard?
Did you state the words which in your opinion were homophobic?
How many police officers were present at this interview?
Were you cautioned before the interview?
Were you arrested or told you were not under arrest and can leave at anytime you chose?
How is it you cannot remember the address you are moving to?
Was there any documentation given to you at anytime by the police?
The solicitor started off by telling me what the Police had said. Then listened to my version. She said I had a defence of self-defence. And said I'd be best giving that side of the story. She said to give my side of the story and nothing more. At times in the interview, she did tell me firmly I'd said enough. Lets have some facts about what your solicitor actually said to you.
Was it tape recorded?
Did you admit you punched or struck the security guard?
Did you state the words which in your opinion were homophobic?
How many police officers were present at this interview?
Were you cautioned before the interview?
Were you arrested or told you were not under arrest and can leave at anytime you chose?
How is it you cannot remember the address you are moving to?
Was there any documentation given to you at anytime by the police?
It was recorded on the officers body worn camera. Which was mounted on some form of tripod.
Yes I admitted that I pushed him after going to the ground. I said I did this because I was scared and he was still coming towards me even after I'd repeatedly tried to withdraw. A big bone of contention for them was if it was a push or a punch. You cannot see at all from the video.
I did say the words used. The officer asked if I was just saying that to get out of trouble. I explained this was ludicrous as if I didn't want to get into trouble I'd have simply written the letter if I felt I was in the wrong. What i couldn't do is say exactly how they were used. When I tried to paraphrase the solicitor stopped me. Sadly i just can't remember word for word what was said.
One Police officer was present.
Yes I was cautioned. I even had to say back in my own words what I thought it meant.
I wasn't arrested. He said I could leave - but if he felt he needed to question me still he could arrest me for a prompt and effective investigation.
I can't remember the address as I've not moved there yet. I've not actually been inside it (partner has). I gave the road name I just don't know the block of flats name. I don't see why this is relevent.
The only documentation given to my be the police was some yellow form beforehand which outlined my rights. It was not overly relevant. It included things like having the embassy called if I was a foreigner. Or having an appropriate adult with me if I was a child etc.
I'm not sure how any of that stuff helps tbh.
Bigends said:
If hes reported you for the offence you'll either receive a summons to court or be informed of no further action. I doubt this will be until after the security guard has been interviewed as a suspect and theyve got the full story
I'd be willing to bet my left testicle that the guard will never be interviewed (and I only have one testical). At no point did the Police show the slightest interest in if he was in the wrong or not. And given they did not seem it important to even get a statement from my partner - from the supermarket they have:
-Statement from SG.
-Statement from the 'witness'.
-Copy of the letter of complaint I sent to the supermarket CEO (remember I said she only called me the day they emailed back...).
- Someone has listened to the phone call I made to 101 when I got home that night and compared it to what I said later. Fortunately, my events match.
So they seem to have put a lot of effort into this. I was questioned about the smallest discrepancy between any of these things. There were not really any. He did say when I called I said I'd been grabbed on my arm rather than my wrist. So clearly someone has taken the time to check all those things... But didn't think to speak to the only other person in the footage.
In total, I was interviewed for 1 hour 20 mins. The solicitor said it's nearly unheard off for an interview over such a minor offence to take so long. I don't know if it's because I complained. I don't know if it's because they just don't like me. I don't know why it's turned out like this.
The officer who interviewed me was professional and polite. I cannot fault him. However, he refused to even consider the massive contradictions between the statements he read and the CCTV. He would not get drawn into that.
I shall be looking into paying money to getting the footage digitally enhanced if I'm charged. I am sure it will be ridiculously expensive if it's even possible. But I want a bit of justice here.
I would say from what you’ve said is the security guard assaulted you by putting his hands on you and trying to put your arm up your back. From there you were in fear and had every right to hit him to keep him off you. The SG must be stting himself as hell likely lose his job if he’s convicted.
Ructions said:
kindai said:
Any defence barrister would rip the "evidence" to pieces.
If this ‘case’ does proceed, it will most likely do so in the magistrates court, would it be common practise to use a barrister in a magistrates case?richard sails said:
Ructions said:
kindai said:
Any defence barrister would rip the "evidence" to pieces.
If this ‘case’ does proceed, it will most likely do so in the magistrates court, would it be common practise to use a barrister in a magistrates case?richard sails said:
Ructions said:
kindai said:
Any defence barrister would rip the "evidence" to pieces.
If this ‘case’ does proceed, it will most likely do so in the magistrates court, would it be common practise to use a barrister in a magistrates case?Do not go to court on your own.
richard sails said:
Ructions said:
kindai said:
Any defence barrister would rip the "evidence" to pieces.
If this ‘case’ does proceed, it will most likely do so in the magistrates court, would it be common practise to use a barrister in a magistrates case?Never heard, "He who represents himself has a fool for a client"?
Secondly, an appeal to the crown court has no jury.
milkround said:
The officer who interviewed me was professional and polite. I cannot fault him. However, he refused to even consider the massive contradictions between the statements he read and the CCTV. He would not get drawn into that.
That's not the purpose of an interview / his role. His job is to present the evidence (regardless of what it is) to you and gather your account. The evidential strengths / weaknesses / contradictions etc are to be assessed after.
Did you raise self-defence?
When they picked you up on being grabbed by the wrist/arm... your wrist is part of your arm and can correctly called as such.
My money is still on the SG losing his job/SIA badge. Over reaching his mandate too. I’ve spoken to SGs at Sainsbury’s and they tell me they aren’t even allowed to touch customers let alone attempt to restrain them by assaulting them.
My money is still on the SG losing his job/SIA badge. Over reaching his mandate too. I’ve spoken to SGs at Sainsbury’s and they tell me they aren’t even allowed to touch customers let alone attempt to restrain them by assaulting them.
I don't know if this has been said but where was the shove / punch on the body?
Generally (and i do mean generally) people don't shove someone's face for instance.
Good luck with it all. All this for not showing a receipt...crazy.
I was once told by a policeman when i was younger. 'There is 3 versions of events, yours, theirs and the truth, its my job to find out the 3rd'
Generally (and i do mean generally) people don't shove someone's face for instance.
Good luck with it all. All this for not showing a receipt...crazy.
I was once told by a policeman when i was younger. 'There is 3 versions of events, yours, theirs and the truth, its my job to find out the 3rd'
milkround said:
The Mad Monk said:
Where did the "pan" come from? What sort of "pan"?
We brought it from the shop.Lemming Train said:
milkround said:
The Mad Monk said:
Where did the "pan" come from? What sort of "pan"?
We brought it from the shop.elanfan said:
When they picked you up on being grabbed by the wrist/arm... your wrist is part of your arm and can correctly called as such.
My money is still on the SG losing his job/SIA badge. Over reaching his mandate too. I’ve spoken to SGs at Sainsbury’s and they tell me they aren’t even allowed to touch customers let alone attempt to restrain them by assaulting them.
You seem to have the hots for the security guard? My money is still on the SG losing his job/SIA badge. Over reaching his mandate too. I’ve spoken to SGs at Sainsbury’s and they tell me they aren’t even allowed to touch customers let alone attempt to restrain them by assaulting them.
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